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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:55 pm

Does ET have rights on the HKG-MNL-HKG route?

I tried booking it but came up empty handed.

If they do this would be a very good addition on the Star Alliance Map.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 93):
I can see that plans have been aloft since 2005 and now nearly 8 years hence .... nothing has translated to reality

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In fairness, it's only lately that the country has emerged from its huge debt problems and still has substantial domestic borrowings. Huge sectors of society live in poverty and they, perforce, will take precedence over any new, shiny, airport showcase.

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 93):
Now even if we are optimistic that in the next 5 years CRK will be developed...will it not be too little too late?

If you'd check out the Clark Conference link in #74 above, you'd see the milestones they're working off of.


Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 96):
Has SEAIR I really gotten an ATR42 for ITI?

Is that Itbayat Island?...ITB is the official IATA airport code for RPLT per Wiki...and shows a 'Northsky Air' for it, but their page has been deleted.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 97):

RP-C4201. I flew it 2 weeks ago myself.

Great...the very first ATR42 on the Phil. register IINM. Must be fun climbing out and landing on ITB's 801m long runway  .

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 97):
In basic Azerbaijan Airlines colours.

I wonder how many of AZAL's five 42-500's they got (lease?)...will it be changed to Seair's livery? They now have a plane very well suited to plenty of secondary destinations    .....

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 99):

Hey, thanks for the update! I tried doing this just a few days ago, but the seat maps weren't available yet at the time.

Note that PALs all economy A333s will be 9-abreast and according to my my quick headcount there were a total of 379 seats! Compare this to 436 seats at Cebu Pacific.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 102):

Or even as much as 414 seats according to Airline route update.

What I don't understand though, is why PAL plan to use an A340 to AUH. Shouldn't it be an all-economy configured A330 to Abu Dhabi aswell?
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 100):
Does ET have rights on the HKG-MNL-HKG route?

I tried booking it but came up empty handed.

As I have said previously, they do not.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:01 am

PR's new in-flight Wi-Fi service has a name: Philippine Airlines InAir

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:34 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 104):
Quoting KL808 (Reply 100):
Does ET have rights on the HKG-MNL-HKG route?

I tried booking it but came up empty handed.

As I have said previously, they do not.

I'm not even able to find MNL as a destination on ET's website. Doesn't make it easier to book a flight then!
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:15 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 101):
Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 96):
Has SEAIR I really gotten an ATR42 for ITI?

Is that Itbayat Island?...ITB is the official IATA airport code for RPLT per Wiki...and shows a 'Northsky Air' for it, but their page has been deleted.

ITI is the airline actually. They fly it on MNL-ELN for the resorts.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:53 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 107):
ITI is the airline actually.

Could it be the former Interisland Airlines then?.....

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Quoting airbuseric (Reply 107):
They fly it on MNL-ELN for the resorts.

El Nido, Palawan (ENI)?.....

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:40 pm

Found a few nice photos of ENI and ITI.....

http://www.watchobs.com/pics/travel/ElNidoAirportPan.jpg
http://www.watchobs.com/pics/travel/ElNidoAirportPan.jpg

View of the ramp...  .
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http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/38663299.jpg

Remote stand.....
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http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slide...val-at-el-nido-airport-el-nido.jpg

Ramp from taxiway...  ...
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http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/43055325.jpg

The ground support equipment...  ...
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http://wowislands.com/photos/ipap-ph...-palawan-philippines%20%288%29.jpg

The "million-miler" lounge...  ...
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http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slide...ounge-el-nido-airport--el-nido.jpg   

Now I get it.....Island Transvoyager Inc...quite a mouthful...  ...

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Their hotel shuttle in front of the exotic terminal...  ...

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:14 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 109):
Found a few nice photos of ENI and ITI.....

Yeah, the photos are way outdated. ENI runway is concrete as well is the apron. The hammock in their 'lounge' is still there and I used it personally. As well the ladies and the carabao. The ladies will sing a Palawan song when you arrive or board.

 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:33 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 110):
The "million-miler" lounge...  ...
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http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slide...ounge-el-nido-airport--el-nido.jpg   

That's way better than PR's Mabuhay Lounge at T2.      
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 109):

That is awesome. Man, I miss the Philippines.


I'd love to see a west coast USA to CEB route eventually, but that will probably never happen.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:17 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 101):
Is that Itbayat Island?...ITB is the official IATA airport code for RPLT per Wiki...and shows a 'Northsky Air' for it, but their page has been deleted.
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 107):
ITI is the airline actually. They fly it on MNL-ELN for the resorts.

ITI is indeed Island Transvoyager Inc. I believe they own resorts also in ELN. Part of old SEAIR, now SEAIR I.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:47 pm

So the new Laguindingan Airport in Cagayan de Oro will be opening today! I presume it will inherit CGY from Lumbia, but no ICAO code has been issued yet. Instead, the new airport has the temporary code RP02.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 110):
Yeah, the photos are way outdated. ENI runway is concrete as well is the apron.

I hope they don't spoil the natural beauty of the place with too much construction.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 110):
ladies and the carabao

Great name for the singing group  .

Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 111):
That's way better than PR's Mabuhay Lounge at T2.

Calling PR.....

Quoting FlyingGoat (Reply 112):

That is awesome. Man, I miss the Philippines.

Thank you.

Quoting FlyingGoat (Reply 112):
I'd love to see a west coast USA to CEB route eventually, but that will probably never happen.

There used to be direct PR 747 international flights to Cebu but I cannot recall from where.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 113):
Part of old SEAIR, now SEAIR I.

Glad that Seair (in a way) now has an ATR42...hope someone snaps some nice pics of it at ENI or elsewhere and post those here. Wish that Seair I and others acquire more to fly in these islands.


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 114):
So the new Laguindingan Airport in Cagayan de Oro will be opening today!

Yep. Photo of PR docked and 5J taxiing out in the distance.....


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Quoting Akiestar (Reply 114):
I presume it will inherit CGY from Lumbia, but no ICAO code has been issued yet. Instead, the new airport has the temporary code RP02.

Isn't it CDO? Anyway, what is needed there more is the ILS.

Another interesting snippet from Flightglobal is this PR bird in the assembly line.....

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http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=51112

.....a subtle hint of things to come?.....

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http://www.aviationweek.com/media/im...tion/Miscellaneous/777X_Boeing.jpg

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:26 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 115):
Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 111):
That's way better than PR's Mabuhay Lounge at T2.

Calling PR.....

They probably heard us. PR is renovating both domestic and International lounges.

https://www1.mabuhaymiles.com/index.php/program-news/news/mabuhay-lounge-renovation/

Mabuhay Lounge Renovation

As part of our efforts to provide you with a better lounge experience, we shall be renovating the Mabuhay Lounge International starting 15 June 2013. As such, may we invite you to join us at the following locations while waiting for your boarding during these hours:



3:00 a.m. – 10:30 p.m. – Temporary Lounge beside Boarding Gate N6

5:00 p.m. - 1:00 a.m. – Mabuhay Lounge entrance across Boarding Gate S2



Likewise, the Mabuhay Lounge Domestic will be closed from 5:00 pm to 1:00 am as we are progressively enhancing the lounge experience. We have reserved an area at Ya Kun Kaya Toast Café for you to partake of snacks as you wait for your boarding.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:43 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 115):
Glad that Seair (in a way) now has an ATR42...hope someone snaps some nice pics of it at ENI or elsewhere and post those here.

As you might have noticed, I'm usually mostly active in the tripreports section of the forums. Expect soon a full report on that Filipino ATR-42  
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:22 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 115):
Another interesting snippet from Flightglobal is this PR bird in the assembly line.....

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http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=51112

Devilfish, as someone pointed out in PPSG, this is a photo of RP-C7775. If you enlarge it, the banner says "Proudly Building the third 777". Is there something that Flightglobal is hinting about? A new order perhaps?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:44 am

Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 116):
They probably heard us. PR is renovating both domestic and International lounges.

Way to go...   .

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 117):
As you might have noticed, I'm usually mostly active in the tripreports section of the forums. Expect soon a full report on that Filipino ATR-42

I do not go there often...but I'll keep an eye out for your report.

Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 118):
Devilfish, as someone pointed out in PPSG, this is a photo of RP-C7775. If you enlarge it, the banner says "Proudly Building the third 777". Is there something that Flightglobal is hinting about? A new order perhaps?

I know...the timing could be the hint...them showing the photo again during PAS. May be alluding to PR's interest in the 777X...or am I reading too much into it?
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:49 am

instead of speculating, I suggest to looking forward to an update on the 4 A340s for PAL, the first one has already arrived if I am not mistaken, as for the remaining 3, can anyone update as to there delivery dates? their mission? any interior pics?

Any plans for PAL to entertain at least 4 to 6 B7478i interim the 777x?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:21 am

Last month, I was in MNL for a few weeks and kept seeing this ATR-42 flying in and out of MNL. I could not get a tail number, but it had a solid navy blue tail and all white fuselage. I could not see any titles. Is this the SEAir a/c?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:50 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 121):
I was in MNL for a few weeks and kept seeing this ATR-42 flying in and out of MNL. I could not get a tail number, but it had a solid navy blue tail and all white fuselage. I could not see any titles. Is this the SEAir a/c?

Yes, RP-C4201. Basic Azerbaijan Airlines colours. It was mentioned a few posts above by me.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:12 pm

If you guys are wondering what 5J's A330 look like on the inside, they posted some pictures and videos on their facebook page.

http://www.philippineairlinepromos.c...-now-viewable-on-our-live-event-pa



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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:45 am

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 102):
Note that PALs all economy A333s will be 9-abreast and according to my my quick headcount there were a total of 379 seats!

Those must be the 235T interim delivery version as the full HGW version won't be available till 2015. Or maybe, PR has decided to limit the seat count for their Australian, Hawaiian, Japanese and other markets.


Quoting CityAirline (Reply 103):
Or even as much as 414 seats according to Airline route update.

That would be their 242T flagship for the Middle East LCC battles waged by PAL Express.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 120):
instead of speculating

I wonder what this is.....

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 120):
Any plans for PAL to entertain at least 4 to 6 B7478i interim the 777x?
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Quoting crownvic (Reply 121):
I was in MNL for a few weeks and kept seeing this ATR-42 flying in and out of MNL. I could not get a tail number, but it had a solid navy blue tail and all white fuselage.

Am most interested about the c/n and previous regs, if available.

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 123):
If you guys are wondering what 5J's A330 look like on the inside, they posted some pictures and videos on their facebook page.

Thanks for the link. Like this best...  ...

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.....though not sure if she'd be on the A333 LH seat for 5J.   
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:06 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 124):

Am most interested about the c/n and previous regs, if available.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 am

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 102):
Note that PALs all economy A333s will be 9-abreast and according to my my quick headcount there were a total of 379 seats! Compare this to 436 seats at Cebu Pacific.

I was told there are 414 seats.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 120):
instead of speculating, I suggest to looking forward to an update on the 4 A340s for PAL, the first one has already arrived if I am not mistaken, as for the remaining 3, can anyone update as to there delivery dates?

According to SSC, all four A340s are now in MNL.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 124):
Or maybe, PR has decided to limit the seat count for their Australian, Hawaiian, Japanese and other markets.

These markets however are relatively premium compared to the rest of the PR network, so I don't think it would make a lot of sense for PR to send all-economy A330s to these destinations.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:10 am

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 125):
msn 689 ex Azerbaijan AIrlines 4K-AZ53

Thank you very much. It's this one then.....

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   Very nice bird...wish they would get the other...    ...

I take it they concreted the 1,000m long second runway instead of the 750m R/W 12/30.....

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=11...94140053;111981677;0;76117;49673;0


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 126):
These markets however are relatively premium compared to the rest of the PR network, so I don't think it would make a lot of sense for PR to send all-economy A330s to these destinations.

Hence the lower seat count, achieved by adding a premium economy section...or putting in their full-service, two-class layout to be operated by PR itself.





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Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 126):
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 102):
Note that PALs all economy A333s will be 9-abreast and according to my my quick headcount there were a total of 379 seats! Compare this to 436 seats at Cebu Pacific.

I was told there are 414 seats.

Yes, read my next post (#103):

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 103):
Or even as much as 414 seats according to Airline route update.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:03 am

Finally, the plane I dream would make it to these shores is out...  ...

http://www.embraer.com/PublishingImages/press-releases/fly_new_175.jpg
http://www.embraer.com/PublishingImages/press-releases/fly_new_175.jpg

80 seats with an extra row...EIS in 2020...  ...

Hopefully, a local airline would find it a good fit for their operations.   
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:28 pm

PAL has now released the Doha schedule and opened reservations:

PR652 MNL1330 – 1800DOH 333 x1
PR653 DOH1930 – 0930MNL 333 x1

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 77):
Now only DOH and DXB remain.

And now only DXB remain out of the six announced routes to the Middle East.

Also, PAL has changed the aircraft dedicated to AUH from an A343 to an all-economy A333. Reasonable!

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:03 pm

ET cancels HKG-MNL and BKK-SGN. They were supposed to start service HKG-MNL on 01Jul.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/19/e...%2Bmedia&utm_campaign=tweets130619
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:13 pm

Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 131):
ET cancels HKG-MNL and BKK-SGN. They were supposed to start service HKG-MNL on 01Jul.

Not surprised! I never really understood these routes. Didn't count on them lasting too long either.

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Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:37 pm

Back to our dear, old Terminal 1...it seems she is finally on her way for a makeover...    ...

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http://www.philstar.com/headlines/20...undergo-facelift-2015-apec-meeting

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines - Architectural and design firm Budji-Royal was awarded the P1.6-billion contract to redesign the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) in preparation for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) leaders’ meeting in 2015.

Royal Pineda, Budji-Royal architectural and design firm president, told The STAR: 'It’s the spirit of bayanihan at work to fix the country’s airport, dubbed in 2011 as the worst airport in Asia.'

The team is composed of Pineda and designers Budji Layug and Kenneth Cobonpue with the Leandro V. Locsin Partners architectural firm as the 'Architect of Record.'

Pineda said the team would start working on the project within the year and strive to finish it by 2015 in time for the APEC meeting.

In 2011, the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) also tapped the same team for the NAIA facelift, but the project did not push through following a change in leadership at the agency."



Those sexy, expansive canopies on tall, slanted columns could be tricky during high winds and seismic events. Hoping they have enough time and resources to do more than just a cosmetic Botox treatment for the aging dame.  


Now, how about a new terminal at the PVH area? They would need plenty of space for all those planes they're ordering!
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:54 pm

A quick question on 5J's planned A330 services to dubai.....

One of my colleagues booked a flight for Dec. the ticket says dubai international airport. It does not say DXB. requesting to know if it is going to be DXB or DWC? Repeated requests to cebu pacific on this regard have remained unanswered...even on their Fb page.

If its going to be DWC instead of DXB that will be a big bummer   Its gonna cost atleast 250 dhirams for a taxi ride from Jebel ali to downtown dubai and another 100 dhirams to sharjah!

Recently there has been a trend of low cost and charter operations slowly being shunted out of DXB to DWC.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:43 pm

Re #85, here's the latest on offer of El Capitan's remaining 51% stake in PR.....

http://business.inquirer.net/128803/mvp-group-not-interested-in-pal

In another report, SMC had said they were not going after those shares.


Blog reported a rather old A340 had arrived at MNL as one of the stopgap planes leased by PR...  ...

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A poster commented it had undergone a C-check, and would need interior refurbishment.


Lastly, three more conceptual images of NAIA 1's proposed renovation.....

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http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/files/2013/06/t0623thumbsup-naia_1.jpg

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http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/files/2013/06/t0623thumbsup-naia_2.jpg

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http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/files/2013/06/t0623thumbsup-naia_3.jpg

http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/109763...orate-with-locsin-in-naia-makeover


Hopefully, there would be an adequate number of slots in the parking structure, and more ground parking spaces for growth. Couldn't ascertain whether the elevated structure in the other photo was the LRT spur/AGT...or if indeed there would be one...    .
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:17 pm

According to the following link (that someone posted in another thread), PAL's new A333s will as we know be delivered in two different configurations. One singleclass version seating 414, and one that apparently will seat 18 in C, while 350 in three different types of Y-class. Does anyone else find it odd that these lower-density A333s will seat a total of 368? Something must be wrong!

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...ne-airlines-new-aircraft-four.html
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting cityairline (Reply 136):
Does anyone else find it odd that these lower-density A333s will seat a total of 368? Something must be wrong!

Not at all. As far as I know, these lower-density A333s will have C, Y+, Y and Y- (Econolight, but with a tangible product) installed. Depending on how PR prices each class, this may work in spite of competition from 5J.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:45 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 137):
Depending on how PR prices each class, this may work in spite of competition from 5J.

Its president tries hard to emphasize that PR is not comparable to an LCC.....

http://business.inquirer.net/130945/...ign-airlines-eyed-to-invest-in-pal

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"He added that PAL could not be compared to a low-cost carrier, but PAL could be very competitive in terms of pricing because it has in its fleet bigger aircraft that could seat more passengers. He noted that fuel consumption and labor cost were almost the same if an airline operator were to operate a 240-seater plane and a smaller 170-seater aircraft, implying PAL’s advantage in terms of generating revenues from its bigger capacity."


.....and is eyeing a strategic partnership with either ANA or Emirates.....

"San Miguel Corp. is in talks to bring in a major foreign firm as a strategic partner in flag carrier Philippine Airlines and the prospective partners include Tokyo-based All Nippon Airways (ANA) and Dubai-based Emirates Airline.

Inquirer sources said SMC was in talks with ANA on a prospective partnership in PAL while some exploratory talks have been conducted with Emirates.

SMC president Ramon Ang, who is also president of PAL, confirmed that these foreign airlines have expressed interest to invest in PAL and that SMC was open to taking any of them as a partner.

Ang said PAL would welcome a strategic investor and that a partnership could happen 'within this year.'

[.....]

Ang said PAL would need to invest $1 billion more to become a very competitive regional airline, adding SMC could very well provide the money.

The PAL chief said the flag carrier was lucky because delivery period by aircraft manufacturers had narrowed to one to two years from five to seven years because of the economic problems in Europe and the United States. As such, he said PAL could embark on a 'very, very quick' refleeting program that, in turn, could allow the airline to unlock more operating efficiencies."



Meanwhile, the DOTC sees the completion of the P13.25B CNS/ATM Systems Development Project by 2015.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201...tion-p13.25-b-aviation-system-2015

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"MANILA, Philippines - The Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) expects the completion of the P13.25 billion world-class communication, navigation and surveillance system by 2015 or before the end of the term of President Aquino.

Transportation Secretary Joseph Emilio Abaya said the joint venture between Sumitomo Corp. of Japan and Thales Australia Ltd. has committed to complete the Communications, Navigation and Surveillance/Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM) Systems Development Project Package–I by November 2015.

'I don’t expect any further delay. I know the whole project is estimated to be done by November 2015,' Abaya said.

The CNS/ATM Systems Development Project was first conceptualized in accordance with the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Global Air Navigation Plan, and would replace the aging vital communications, surveillance, and air traffic control equipment at selected airports nationwide.

The DOTC awarded the two work packages to Sumitomo-Thales joint venture."



This should pave the way for safer and more efficient use of the country's airspace.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:04 pm

Didn't see this mentioned, but PR requested slots for a daily MNL-AMS-MNL with 777 in W13. Anyone know how likly this is to materialise (as slot can be returned)?
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 130):
PAL has now released the Doha schedule and opened reservations:

PR652 MNL1330 – 1800DOH 333 x1
PR653 DOH1930 – 0930MNL 333 x1

DOH launch being pushed back for a bit...until S14 I bet and instead DXB-MNL is being launched with these same timings !
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:13 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 140):
DOH launch being pushed back for a bit...until S14 I bet and instead DXB-MNL is being launched with these same timings !

So I've heard. Although are you sure it's just being pushed back? Because I noticed Qatar is keeping their second daily MNL as a parallel to the new CRK.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/24/qr-mnlcrk-w13/

And limitations only allow for two daily services between DOH-MNL, meaning that if PR pushes through later with their Doha serivce, QR will either have to step away or wish for new negotiations to be held...

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Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting cityairline (Reply 141):
And limitations only allow for two daily services between DOH-MNL, meaning that if PR pushes through later with their Doha serivce

PR got six grandfathered frequencies of the eight daily services allowed for the Philippine side. 5J also wanted those and is seeking reallocation of the entitlements.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/5j-mulls-doha.html

The odds of PR acquiescing are slim...but given that they initially must spread their ordered A333s thinly over several planned ME routes until they have the flexibility...would they be amenable to sharing those allotments with 5J?

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1349164643_A330-300_PAL.JPG


Of course, such a split could lead to a bitter fare war...and the annexation of already very scarce slots at NAIA.   
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Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:08 am

with the PR flights MNL/DRW/BNE presume PR can't sell DRW/BNE in isolation, so how does it justify empty seats DRW/BNE ?

Ok, so many passengers continue MNL/BNE but some must only fly the MNL/DRW sectors, so for every one of them, there must then be an empty DRW/BNE seat.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:08 am

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 143):
with the PR flights MNL/DRW/BNE presume PR can't sell DRW/BNE in isolation, so how does it justify empty seats DRW/BNE ?

The fare ex DRW is probably horrendously high ( I did a search a while back) 1) discourage people from buying, and 2) to subsidise the empty seats DRW-BNE/PER
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Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:55 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 144):

No, actually, whether you do a search on Kayak 2 weeks from now or 2 months from now, or 1 week before Christmas, it's consistently the lowest fare ex DRW to MNL, beating even Jetstar. Ex-MNL to DRW, it is only marginally more expensive if not on par.
Not sure if these are regular fares, or extended promos to promote the route.

Not sure about load factors, statistics for June onwards are still unavailable, April 2013 is the most recent one uploaded.
PR generally has loads of roughly 50%...
Although am unsure about the breakdown between SYD vs MEL which now have dedicated services rather than a triangular routing.</body></html>"/>
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:00 am

Also, PR also has heavy discounts on HKG fares ex DRW and BNE in the off-peak (e.g. less than $700 on a Kayak search ex-BNE, but a 2 two-stop routing via DRW and MNL).
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:07 am

Is this old news or a development thats been in the offing for a while now?

I did not know 5j was ever planning on india ops? personally i don't think they will succeed where PAL failed simply because unlike Philippines where literally the gateway to the country is MNL....India does not have a gateway to Philippines. you have pax equally spread between DEL, BOM, MAA, BLR, HYD, COK which are all equally important. No wonder carriers like SIA, TG and Malaysian are the ones that carry the bulk of Indians traveling to Philippines and vice versa.

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...cific-gets-clearance-to-india.html

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Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:42 pm

Well, it's still better than nothing: the EU will officially take PR off the blacklist on Friday! http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...an-on-pal-flights-starting-july-12

Now I wonder if 2P is covered under this as well (which could see PR resuming its interline arrangement with KL), or not. (EDIT: They are not.)

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Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:49 pm

In addition to the blacklist news, PR is currently trending on Twitter. According to Miguel Camus of the Philippine Daily Inquirer, PR might mount flights to the EU as early as September or October, with LON (still not sure if LHR or LGW, though I presume PR still has its LHR slots), CDG, AMS and FCO as the most likely candidates.

Now, three of those four cities are SkyTeam hubs. Please take PR, SkyTeam! 

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Anyway, more PR news: one of the 77Ws is now outfitted with GSMConneX for both mobile and Wi-Fi services.

http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com...ht-gsmconnex-connectivity-hardware

Right now I hope OnAir, when offered, will be cheap.

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