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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:07 am

^^ Leasor is GECAS. It is going to Mississippi.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:19 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 197):

The site on imageshack.us - has this been studied by the respective agencies like the DOTC, it is one of the best linear scheme to salvage what is left of NAIA 1 and this will apply to NAIA 2 on the Nayong Pilipino side, linear terminal parallel to 13-31 and NAIA 3

I really hope this comes to fruition. On the PAL side, seems all mideast flights will be operated by PALEX including Abu Dhabi since all European flights will be operated by B77Ws direct, not to mention the all economy configuration is fundamentally the PALEX business model to begin with.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:36 pm

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 201):
has this been studied by the respective agencies like the DOTC, it is one of the best linear scheme to salvage what is left of NAIA 1

As mentioned in the post, I was not even sure if it was a bona fide scheme proposal. Could just be the doodling of an aviation enthusiast that I stumbled upon on the web. It will require extensive re-planning of the general premises, and may need remote security, immigration and customs areas...as the main facilities may be overburdened by the large additional volume of passengers...and are a long distance away.


Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 201):
and this will apply to NAIA 2 on the Nayong Pilipino side, linear terminal parallel to 13-31 and NAIA 3

For a "quick and dirty" solution, they could "site adapt" a mirror-image plan of Terminal 3 on the Nayong Pilipino side (of course, the designer of record could object or demand a very high fee for it)...and convert Runway 13-31 (VIPs might reject the idea) to a mere taxilane between the terminal buildings. There would also be much need in this area for new hangars, remote stands, aircraft parking and cargo handling facility.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:11 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 199):
sn't the lessor AC? I was under the impression that RP-C8168 was going to be scrapped, not returned.

GWO is strictly used for parting out and scrapping. The F9 A318s saw their last light there as well as some US 752s and the NW DC10s. Indeed, based on that I believe you're right. 8168 is more than likely going to be scrapped soon.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:33 pm

it is interesting at the philippineairspace.blogspot.com re PALs acquisition of the A321, there was mention of its current fleet of 8 A330s and 7 A340s and it mentions another 4 A340. Seems like PAL is bundle shopping for 340s these days.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:39 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 203):
The F9 A318s saw their last light there as well as some US 752s and the NW DC10s. Indeed, based on that I believe you're right. 8168 is more than likely going to be scrapped soon.

I think I've read somewhere that a number of ocho-ocho's new business class seats and IFE were removed for installation on PR's newly-acquired, used A340s. They should've removed some more seats before sending 8168 to the scrapper..... and bought Stu cheap...    ...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5508/9451965659_b50ab7f1a8_c.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5508/9451965659_b50ab7f1a8_c.jpg

.....so they could throw that A318's regular passenger seating away...and reinstall the relatively new angled-flat seats from the 744 in it - for an 'instantly refurbished' Pinoy One to replace the F-28...    !!!



Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 204):
re PALs acquisition of the A321, there was mention of its current fleet of 8 A330s and 7 A340s and it mentions another 4 A340.

Here's Flightglobal's report on the delivery of PR's first A321.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ivery-of-first-airbus-a321-389225/

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines (PAL) took delivery of its first Airbus A321 aircraft on 6 August.

It is the first of 44 A321s ordered by the carrier, says Airbus, and has been configured with 12 business class and 187 economy class seats. PAL will deploy the aircraft on selected domestic and international routes.

The carrier will also take delivery of the first of 20 new A330-300s in the third quarter of this year. It is also in the process of adding four used A340-300s to its fleet, which will be deployed on services to Europe starting in September."


Interesting that PR only ordered the sharklets for the A321neo. On a stretch, they could also send the new A321s to DRW, PER and BNE.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 204):
Seems like PAL is bundle shopping for 340s these days.

IMO, those are just pinch hitters until PR could get the planes they really want.



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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:38 pm

Is PR downgauging PR102/103 from a B744 to an A343?

http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/07/pr-sep13/

Manila – Los Angeles 09SEP13 – 23NOV13 Service reduce from 11 to 7 weekly
PR102 MNL2200 – 2005LAX 744 x7
PR102 MNL2200 – 2005LAX 343 7

PR103 LAX2250 – 0345+2MNL 744 x7
PR103 LAX2250 – 0345+2MNL 343 7
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:26 am

PR to London postponed till December 2013 according to this.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...ndon-flight-moved-to-december.html
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:47 pm

Can anyone with a reliable source enlighten us on :

PAL having 7 A340 and adding 4 more based on the philippineairspace.blogspot.com site, where it states that the 7 340s will serve long haul US flights and the 4 additional to serve europe. In fact Gatwick daily will be served by the A340s.

The question, where did the B77W go into the equation? Canada? By november all B77W are accounted for, so where are these machines flying to next?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:05 pm

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 208):
By november all B77W are accounted for, so where are these machines flying to next?

Probably the US as long as Philippines gets back to Cat I but it's too early to say that yet.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:01 am

Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 206):
Is PR downgauging PR102/103 from a B744 to an A343?

http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/07/pr-sep13/

Manila – Los Angeles 09SEP13 – 23NOV13 Service reduce from 11 to 7 weekly
PR102 MNL2200 – 2005LAX 744 x7
PR102 MNL2200 – 2005LAX 343 7

PR103 LAX2250 – 0345+2MNL 744 x7
PR103 LAX2250 – 0345+2MNL 343 7
]

Just noticed that PR is showing the flight as nonstop Westbound (from LAX) as opposed to programming the tech stop in GUM. Interesting!
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:34 am

Transpac flights has been non-stop for awhile now. Tech stops will start again in Nov.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:29 am

Quoting PRFlyer (Reply 206):
Manila – Los Angeles 09SEP13 – 23NOV13 Service reduce from 11 to 7 weekly
PR102 MNL2200 – 2005LAX 744 x7
PR102 MNL2200 – 2005LAX 343 7

PR103 LAX2250 – 0345+2MNL 744 x7
PR103 LAX2250 – 0345+2MNL 343 7

I spent an hour on the phone last night dealing with this change. PR112 and PR113 (the other MNL-LAX flights) were cancelled during that period, and so they offered my colleagues the PR102/PR103 flights instead, but the timings don't work for our meetings. Took a while for the travel agent to get through to PR so they could authorize a full refund given the major schedule change. Ended up rebooking on DL, and it cost less too, so I guess the hassle was worth it.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:45 am

What's the status of Zest Air?

On my recent flight their own magazine had been replaced by Air Asia Travel 3Sixty and Air Asia Cafe menu. Also, there was an IAE powered A320 in full Air Asia colours near T4. The new immigration desks are bright red. Full rebranding to Air Asia?
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:40 pm

I'll answer part of it myself... It's a 2nd hand CFM machine, delivered all white to AK, repainted and now with Z2 as RP-C8987 in full Air Asia colours.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:44 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 213):
What's the status of Zest Air?


Well, in "not so refreshing" news.....it looks like the CAAP has suspended Zest Air operations certificate due to various safety issues. I somehow thought that by now Air Asia was to have taken over the whole of Zest Air?

Perhaps this is a show of strength from the CAAP to the FAA to help in full return to Category 1 status?

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...ders-suspension-zestair-operations

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:23 pm

And it srews our plans badly with flights to TAG/KLO and KUL booked with prepaid hotels.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:06 am

Does anyone here actually believe that the allegations that CAAP is making against Zest Air warrant an immediate suspension?

It seems to me that Cebu Pacific is equally guilty of just as much if not more and yet, no restrictions were imposed on them. In fact, CAAP stated they were going to impose 45 minute turn arounds for Cebu Pacific at the end of July but then retracted their plans.

I understand that grounding Cebu Pacific would have a devastating effect on the country but it seems to me there are inconsistencies in the treatment of the two airlines by CAAP.

Is CAAP trying to generate publicity by over reacting to minor operational shortcomings in an effort to earn Category 1 back?

I just don't believe a suspension was necessary and at the very least, Zest should have been given a corrective action plan like Cebu Pacific with appropriate time to correct deficiencies. But I don't believe the airline is that dangerous that it needed to be grounded immediately.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:31 am

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/468225/...ark-airport-due-to-naia-congestion

Interesting news regarding NAIA congestion and its effect on a QF flight which had to divert into Clark.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 217):
It seems to me that Cebu Pacific is equally guilty of just as much if not more and yet, no restrictions were imposed on them. In fact, CAAP stated they were going to impose 45 minute turn arounds for Cebu Pacific at the end of July but then retracted their plans.

Very much true. if zest air was grounded so should be cebu pacific as well. i was a bit surprised at one of the items cited for grounding:

"refueling with passengers on board. "

Now all of us in the middle east refuel with passengers on board. anything specific in Philippines CARs that prohibit this? so how does Cebu pacific manage a 30 minute turn around if its not refueling with passengers on board?

However my inside sources in Zest air say that one of the problems was with quite a few pilots busting the 100 hour flight duty time limitation in 28 days rule. now that is serious.

all said and done CAAP is just using Zest air as a "show and tell" item to prove that they are serious. however they have not used the same yardstick for cebu pacific which had 1 accident (Davao) and 1 incident (MNL) in the past 2 months alone.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:34 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 218):
Interesting news regarding NAIA congestion and its effect on a QF flight which had to divert into Clark.

I started a thread last night about QF128 flight from HKG to SYD which had to divert to NAIA.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...128-emergency-landing-at-naia.html

The thread got deleted...apparently, it was a medical emergency and VH-OQD, which had just positioned from MNL to HKG earlier after maintenance, departed again finally for Sydney one and a half hours later. But not before putting arriving aircraft on a holding pattern for fifteen minutes.....underscoring the serious congestion problem at NAIA.


In other news, PAL revealed the seating configuration for their newly delivered A321 and other details.....

http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/120489/pal-welcomes-airbus-a321

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:13 pm

Further to the congestion concerns, the government has this alternative in addition to those suggested in #201 and #202.....

http://business.inquirer.net/132159/...ew-facility-beside-naia-terminal-3

Quote:
"The government is exploring the possibility of building a new P4-billion facility beside the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia) terminal 3, which is currently operating at half its capacity.

Jose Honrado, general manager of Manila International Airport Authority, operator of Naia, said that the transportation department is conducting a feasibility study for the construction of a new terminal that can handle 10 million passengers.

The study may be completed before the end of the year. If proven viable, the government would proceed with its construction in 2014, he told reporters.

The new facility should take two years to complete, he added.

The idea is to transfer all domestic budget flights to the new terminal, so that Naia terminal 3 can focus on international flights, Honrado said."



This would mitigate problems on the ground...but could potentially worsen the local airspace congestion.  

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 219):
"refueling with passengers on board. "

Now all of us in the middle east refuel with passengers on board. anything specific in Philippines CARs that prohibit this? so how does Cebu pacific manage a 30 minute turn around if its not refueling with passengers on board?

Same here in the States. Our operational efficiency would be crap if we weren't able to. I'd be interested to know, as well, if a specific CAR prohibits this in the P.I.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:55 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 221):
The government is exploring the possibility of building a new P4-billion facility beside the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia) terminal 3, which is currently operating at half its capacity.

Jose Honrado, general manager of Manila International Airport Authority, operator of Naia, said that the transportation department is conducting a feasibility study for the construction of a new terminal that can handle 10 million passengers.

The study may be completed before the end of the year. If proven viable, the government would proceed with its construction in 2014, he told reporters.

The new facility should take two years to complete, he added.

The idea is to transfer all domestic budget flights to the new terminal, so that Naia terminal 3 can focus on international flights, Honrado said."

Another stupid idea; they need a facility with more runways, not more terminals at NAIA. This will only add to the congestion!!!

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:19 pm

Zest is grounded because of the relationship between Yao and CAAP. As simple as that. Apart from some delays, i'd take them any day over Cebu or Tiger. Refuelling with pax onboard is the norm anywhere, just unfasten the seatbelts.

Another kneejerk reaction to halt the ops of 2GO after SF2 (or St Thomas Aquinas) sank here in Cebu. Yet the morons let Sulpicio operate their pre-historic vessels as PSACC or whatever name after they were banned when Princess of the Stars sunk in Romblon.

Many online forums also indicate this new so called human trafficking act has led some immigration officers ask up to 40k for Filipinos to get out of the country.

Absolute bullshit all of the above.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:15 pm

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 217):
Does anyone here actually believe that the allegations that CAAP is making against Zest Air warrant an immediate suspension?

I do !
The fact that Zest Air did not have an accountable manager since july 19 was just the final kick.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 217):
It seems to me that Cebu Pacific is equally guilty of just as much if not more and yet, no restrictions were imposed on them. In fact, CAAP stated they were going to impose 45 minute turn arounds for Cebu Pacific at the end of July but then retracted their plans.

This is also my impression. Measuring with different scales ...
And that 45mins rule does not really improve anything. Limiting the number of flights to/from MNL would be much more effective !

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 217):
Is CAAP trying to generate publicity by over reacting to minor operational shortcomings in an effort to earn Category 1 back?

It is certainly sort of generating publicity but in no way overreacting.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 217):
I just don't believe a suspension was necessary and at the very least, Zest should have been given a corrective action plan like Cebu Pacific with appropriate time to correct deficiencies. But I don't believe the airline is that dangerous that it needed to be grounded immediately.

Zest Air has got a corrective plan more than a year ago but little has been done since.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 224):
Refuelling with pax onboard is the norm anywhere, just unfasten the seatbelts.

In most countries it´s not enough to have passengers seatbelts unfastened.
It also requires fire fighters on stand-by next to the aircraft.
So, I suspect this was not provided as at provicial airports this would lead to immediate closure of the airport to all other traffic (because emergency response cannot be stand-by for regular traffic and assist at refuelling simultanously)
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:50 pm

I agree Z2 was a bit shady. But it's 5-star operation compared to when Air Phils had 737-200s. Nothing was done to them. Cancellations, delays always, crew snacking in regular seats during takeoff and landing.

5J junked an A320 and nothing was done to them. It's about people and envelopes. Obviously the San Mig guy and Gokingwei can buy out a small outfit like Zest if they so want.

I'm just stunned Air Asia did nothing to correct things, Tony has 85% share in the company!

On the other hand, very impressed Zest is refunding tickets and actively posting on facebook. I thought they'd go hiding.

With Z2, 2GO and Sulpicio "suspended" we soon need to use a bus or swim...
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:57 pm

Also this 2GO grounding is totally ridiculous. We will today go to Bohol, wanted to take Supercat... So we have SRN aka Weesam Express whose so called ships are glorified canoes with frequent engine failures. Guess they pray to god (or Allah as it's a totally muslim company) that they find TAG without hitting some other boat.

But they're just fine, let's ground 2GO when Sulpicio smashed SF2 down to the bottom of the sea. Idiocy.

[Edited 2013-08-19 12:58:58]
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:57 am

Excuse my language... But fuck these idiots asking P80/hour to extend our check-out after staying a month. The el-cheaponess here has no limits.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:43 am

To be fair, the suspension on Z2 has already been lifted. However, while their jets seemed fine (I have ridden on their B6 A320s, the Kingfisher A320, and one of the German A320s they leased), it was their propeller planes that have me worried. When the MA-60 was still in operation, it shakes. Violently at times.

A friend of mine meanwhile was, on one flight, mesmerized by their use of duct tape on the wing, afraid that the wing might fall off should the duct tape come undone.

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