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787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:01 pm

According to All Things 787 http://nyc787.blogspot.com, the FAA will announce the lifting of 787's grounding order on 4-24-2013. Good news !

[Edited 2013-04-21 21:28:20 by SA7700]
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:17 pm

(Ya need to kill the comma at the end of that address!)

Interesting if true!
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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:40 pm

According to All Things 787 http://nyc787.blogspot.com the FAA will announce the lifting of 787's grounding order on 4-24-2013. Good news !

Thank yoy 4holer. Hope this correction fixes it.  
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:33 am

You'd think we'd have heard about airlines getting new batteries installed.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:40 am

Thats great, both for Boeing and customer Yay!
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:42 am

If true, the people at LOT must be relieved. And now they will have extra capacity if they retain the HiFly a330.

II hope this is true as it will benefit so many communities that have seen reductions or suspension of service and will be very beneficial to Boeing and all the 787 customers obviously.
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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:49 am

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 6):

If true, the people at LOT must be relieved. And now they will have extra capacity if they retain the HiFly a330.

The last thing that LOT need is extra capacity.

Quoting dc1030cf (Thread starter):
he FAA will announce the lifting of 787's grounding order on 4-24-2013

Really excellent news.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 7):
Quoting dc1030cf (Thread starter):
he FAA will announce the lifting of 787's grounding order on 4-24-2013

Really excellent news.

Before we get all excited, the AD requires the aircraft to be modified in accordance with a scheme approve by the FAA's Commercial Certification Manager in Seattle. AFAIK we so far have no firm idea on what these modifications are or how complicated they are or how long they will take to do on each air frame or what Boeings/MRO capacity is to do them.
In other words it may take long to actually get them back into the air, in regular commercial service than people here seem to think.

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:38 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
AFAIK we so far have no firm idea on what these modifications are or how complicated they are or how long they will take to do on each air frame or what Boeings/MRO capacity is to do them.

Per All Things 787, Boeing has a team in Addis Ababa modifying the Ethiopian planes for their rumored return to service on the 25th and that team is said to include a senior Boeing technical director.

The FAA has also lifted the ban on Boeing and Customer test flights and an ANA 787 with the modifications installed also evidently had a Boeing test flight today and could have it's Customer test flight at anytime.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:42 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
The FAA has also lifted the ban on Boeing and Customer test flights

What was the legal method to do so, if those aircraft don't have the approved mods? Or do they have to have them to do those flights?

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:48 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 10):
What was the legal method to do so, if those aircraft don't have the approved mods? Or do they have to have them to do those flights?

According to All Things 787, any 787 with the mods can operate test flights, that being the only 'condition' so to speak on the approval to run test flights.
 
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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:02 am

per http://nyc787.blogspot.com and the wall street journal, the FAA will certify the battery fix tomorrow.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:34 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
Before we get all excited, the AD requires the aircraft to be modified in accordance with a scheme approve by the FAA's Commercial Certification Manager in Seattle. AFAIK we so far have no firm idea on what these modifications are or how complicated they are or how long they will take to do on each air frame or what Boeings/MRO capacity is to do them.
In other words it may take long to actually get them back into the air, in regular commercial service than people here seem to think.

I am not that pessimistic. We know that new built planes have the mod and are doing customer acceptance flights. There is no reason not to assume that many "old" planes have already been modified or are being modified during these days.

Of course revenue flights will have to wait for the final AD from the FAA. But then I would expect a ketchup effect and close to a hundred planes in the air within few weeks, 49 "old" planes, some 20 planes which since January have finished various rework, and then the new planes built since January.

Nobody knows better than Boeing what the FAA can be expected to approve. Therefore Boeing has not been sitting on their hands awaiting the AD. They have produced what hardware they expect the FAA to approve at maximum speed for quite some time already.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:41 am

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 13):
We know that new built planes have the mod and are doing customer acceptance flights.

Huh? Customer acceptance flights are going on now? Looking through flightaware for Paine Field, only one 787 shows flying in the last few days, BOE512. Isn't that the LOT plane discussed in other threads?
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:02 am

Quoting cschleic (Reply 14):
BOE512. Isn't that the LOT plane discussed in other threads?

No, apparently that was ZA512, a.k.a ANA JA818A, seen here returning from a FCF:
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:03 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
AFAIK we so far have no firm idea on what these modifications are or how complicated they are or how long they will take to do on each air frame or what Boeings/MRO capacity is to do them.

Well, this is what I have seen. Of course a lot depends on what is finally approved and this is not firm.

Teams ready to go http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/n...g-has-teams-ready-to-make-787.html

Already in Japan http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...battery-fix-teams-to-japan-384247/

If the fix is approved as is, in the article above, "Each retrofit is likely to take four to five days."

Of course a lot depends on what is finally approved and this is not firm.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:29 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Per All Things 787, Boeing has a team in Addis Ababa modifying the Ethiopian planes for their rumored return to service on the 25th and that team is said to include a senior Boeing technical director.

I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:34 am

Quoting cschleic (Reply 14):
Huh? Customer acceptance flights are going on now? Looking through flightaware for Paine Field, only one 787 shows flying in the last few days, BOE512. Isn't that the LOT plane discussed in other threads?

ANA ZA512 flew an FCF today in preparation for a customer flight, GUN ZA380 was scheduled for a B-1 but didn't make it airborne and LOT ZA252 is ready for a customer flight, however to put the customer on the airplane you must have an "FAA buy" which means the airplane is in configuration for delivery and can be ticketed which won't happen until the AD is lifted.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:43 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

Maybe they know that it will be approved, although the formal approvement is not yet out?
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:42 am

Could this be what the Qatar 787 was on tow in LHR over the last few days?
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:49 am

After that day, Boeing will have the same hard days their 787 customers had. I wonder how the compensations will be calculated especially for the 787 grounded in LHR and the bill is rising every minute.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:41 am

901 and 906 are showing some activity. Some EAs are being done, Software loads are in progress. 902 seems to be next. Batteries and chargers are getting pulled.

Depreservations have also been started, including the birds in LAX and NRT.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:19 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

Boeing has already modified at least one ANA 787, so I am guessing they have tacit permission from the FAA to start performing the modifications while the FAA complete the formal paperwork to make it official.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:19 pm

Per the OP link, fix certification expected today!   

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 4):
You'd think we'd have heard about airlines getting new batteries installed.

Takes 5 days... Ready, set, GO!

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 7):
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 6):

If true, the people at LOT must be relieved. And now they will have extra capacity if they retain the HiFly a330.

The last thing that LOT need is extra capacity.

Sad but true.  
Quoting Unflug (Reply 19):
Maybe they know that it will be approved, although the formal approvement is not yet out?

Typcial. the last few stage gates are paperwork, not technical.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

Its called 'at risk' work. If the fix isn't approved, Boeing will have to modify the airframes to a flying configuration. Every airframe being modified is grounded until the fix is approved. Oh wait... they're already grounded. So the added risk is little to nothing.

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Boeing has already modified at least one ANA 787, so I am guessing they have tacit permission from the FAA to start performing the modifications while the FAA complete the formal paperwork to make it official.

Why do they need permission, they can do what they like, put the new fix in if they want, its just that the aircraft is not allowed to fly until it meets airworthiness requirements, which in this case means the ok from the FAA that they deem the aircraft suitable to carry out commercial ops. You can remove the jet engines and install steam engines if you want, just so long as you don't try to put pax in the aircraft and fly it.

If Boeing had the inside scoop from someone in the FAA that they were prepared to accept their design changes then its not far fetched to think that engineers around the world have started the fixes on their customers planes. I remember reading that the fix will take around one week.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:28 pm

The New York Times have now joined the Wall Street Journal and KING 5 TV in Seattle in believing the FAA will formally approve Boeing's plan today (19 April).
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:33 pm

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 25):
Why do they need permission, they can do what they like,

True they can do what they like, but it's not about permission as much as about knowing exactly what the AD will say. No one wants to do abortive work, so it's always prudent to wait for instructions before carrying out the work.

In this case however, it seems Boeing knows exactly what the AD will include (obviously   )
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting afriwing (Reply 28):
No one wants to do abortive work, so it's always prudent to wait for instructions before carrying out the work.

Boeing has one fix for this issue. If the FAA turns thumbs down on that one fix then the 787 is going to be on the ground for quite a long time. So there's no reason for Boeing to not be pressing ahead with the retrofits. If the FAA says some tweaking is needed then Boeing can tweak after the new battery systems are installed.

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:11 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

The answer:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
Its called 'at risk' work. If the fix isn't approved, Boeing will have to modify the airframes to a flying configuration. Every airframe being modified is grounded until the fix is approved. Oh wait... they're already grounded. So the added risk is little to nothing.

Exactly!! We do that a lot in my line of work (Telecom/IT). The benefits of shortened time to deployment outweigh the risk of not getting the formal approval for mods in the current form. The risk is low and calculated, so a good PM practice.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:54 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 29):
Boeing has one fix for this issue. If the FAA turns thumbs down on that one fix then the 787 is going to be on the ground for quite a long time. So there's no reason for Boeing to not be pressing ahead with the retrofits. If the FAA says some tweaking is needed then Boeing can tweak after the new battery systems are installed.

Boeing isn't modifying and flying airplanes because they think they FAA will accept their fix, they know the FAA will accept their fix. Ever since the grounding began they have constantly been in conversations with the FAA, there's no guesswork here.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 31):
Ever since the grounding began they have constantly been in conversations with the FAA, there's no guesswork here.

  

Not sure why some think Boeing does all the work in seclusion and just "surprise" FAA with the fix. Only formal presentation to FAA senior management makes news.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

the bureaucratic paperwork is the delay.. I'm willing to bet Boeing already has the service bulletin ready to deliver and the parts kits ready to ship.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:13 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

That's how it works in this industry. For example, Airbus is installing the permanent wing fix on A380's in final assembly since December 2012 while the EASA still has to sign the papers.

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:47 pm

CONFIRMED via Boeing.

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EVERETT, Wash., April 19, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Today's approval of battery system improvements for the 787 Dreamliner by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) clears the way for Boeing (NYSE: BA) and its customers to install the approved modifications and will lead to a return to service and resumption of new production deliveries.

"FAA approval clears the way for us and the airlines to begin the process of returning the 787 to flight with continued confidence in the safety and reliability of this game-changing new airplane," said Boeing Chairman, President and CEO Jim McNerney. "The promise of the 787 and the benefits it provides to airlines and their passengers remain fully intact as we take this important step forward with our customers and program partners."

The FAA's action will permit the return to service of 787s in the United States upon installation of the improvements. For 787s based and modified outside the United States, local regulatory authorities provide the final approval on return to service.

Approval of the improved 787 battery system was granted by the FAA after the agency conducted an extensive review of certification tests. The tests were designed to validate that individual components of the battery, as well as its integration with the charging system and a new enclosure, all performed as expected during normal operation and under failure conditions. Testing was conducted under the supervision of the FAA over a month-long period beginning in early March.

"The FAA set a high bar for our team and our solution," said McNerney. "We appreciate the diligence, expertise and professionalism of the FAA's technical team and the leadership of FAA Administrator Michael Huerta and Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood throughout this process. Our shared commitment with global regulators and our customers to safe, efficient and reliable airplanes has helped make air travel the safest form of transportation in the world today."

Boeing, in collaboration with its supplier partners and in support of the investigations of the National Transportation Safety Board and the Japan Transport Safety Board, conducted extensive engineering analysis and testing to develop a thorough understanding of the factors that could have caused the 787's batteries to fail and overheat in two incidents last January. The team spent more than 100,000 hours developing test plans, building test rigs, conducting tests and analyzing the results to ensure the proposed solutions met all requirements.

"Our team has worked tirelessly to develop a comprehensive solution that fully satisfies the FAA and its global counterparts, our customers and our own high standards for safety and reliability," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. "Through the skill and dedication of the Boeing team and our partners, we achieved that objective and made a great airplane even better."

Boeing also engaged a team of more than a dozen battery experts from across multiple industries, government, academia and consumer safety to review and validate the company's assumptions, findings, proposed solution and test plan.

The improved battery system includes design changes to both prevent and isolate a fault should it occur. In addition, improved production, operating and testing processes have been implemented. The new steel enclosure system is designed to keep any level of battery overheating from affecting the airplane or even being noticed by passengers.

"This is a comprehensive and permanent solution with multiple layers of protection," said Conner. "The ultimate layer of protection is the new enclosure, which will ensure that even if a battery fails, there is no impact to the airplane and no possibility of fire. We have the right solution in hand, and we are ready to go.

"We are all very grateful to our customers for their patience during the past several months," said Conner. "We know it hasn't been easy on them to have their 787s out of service and their deliveries delayed. We look forward to helping them get back into service as quickly as possible."

Boeing has deployed teams to locations around the world to begin installing improved battery systems on 787s. Kits with the parts needed for the new battery systems are staged for shipment and new batteries also will be shipped immediately. Teams have been assigned to customer locations to install the new systems. Airplanes will be modified in approximately the order they were delivered.

"The Boeing team is ready to help get our customers' 787s back in the air where they belong," said Conner.

Boeing will also begin installing the changes on new airplanes at the company's two 787 final-assembly plants, with deliveries expected to resume in the weeks ahead. Despite the disruption in deliveries that began in January, Boeing expects to complete all planned 2013 deliveries by the end of the year. Boeing further expects that the 787 battery issue will have no significant impact to its 2013 financial guidance.

 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:32 pm

The CNN is reporting the news as well

From CNN:

The Federal Aviation Administration cleared Boeing to make fixes to the battery system of the 787 Dreamliner. That paves the way for the aircraft to start flying again.

Nearly 50 Dreamliners have been grounded for the last four months, after two fires on Japanese jets prompted the FAA to order the planes grounded on January 16.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:35 pm

Great news!!!

Now to retrofit, flight test, and get that production line accelerated!


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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:51 pm

Congrats to Boeing and their customers, I imagine that they were eagerly waiting for this!
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:01 pm

The race is on to see which airline resumes revenue flights first...will it be the launch customer ANA or the upstarts from Addis Adaba?
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:21 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

I can't confirm what they're actually working on, but when I was at the ANA maintenance facility (for the public tour) last week, 807 was in the hangar having work done in the area of its electrical bay. 809 was sitting outside, powered up, apparently waiting for its turn (or maybe it was finished and was having its systems tested by ANA mechanics).

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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:32 pm

I think it will be the upstarts from Addis Ababa with the first in the air or perhaps United.

The others have their own bureaucracy having to sign.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:53 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 41):
I think it will be the upstarts from Addis Ababa with the first in the air or perhaps United.

The others have their own bureaucracy having to sign.

ETH will come under some of that bureaucracy if they try and fly to the US or Europe before all the paperwork is complete. I see them flying somewhat locally until the FAA and EASA have completed the paperwork and any inspection requirements (?).
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:26 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 42):
ETH will come under some of that bureaucracy if they try and fly to the US or Europe before all the paperwork is complete.

Not necessarily!
If the Ethiopian paperwork is complete they can fly to ANY member country of ICAO, including EU & USA. What I'm NOT sure about is IF the Ethiopian paperwork can be completed before the FAA's is and STILL comply with ICAO rules, because the FAA is the national airworthiness authority for the country of manufacture. Because if they can't, they can't fly it outside Ethiopia.

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Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:42 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

You can do everything you want to an airplane, without appropriate approval. You just can't release it to service without the appropriate approvals. There is nothing stopping you from working on the airplane, and arranging the approvals afterwards.

Obviously there is a risk involved, as you won’t have the approval until, well you receive it. And off course the approver may very well require information that needs to be recorded during the modification process. Information which may not be retrievable afterwards if you did not document that in the first place.

I fully expect that Boeing is close enough to the regulators to balance the risks.

Anyway, very good news that we will have the 787 back to the skies sortly. Airliners are made to fly, not to sit on the ground! Now if just UA would send it to AMS.

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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:43 am

I wonder whether JA829J will ferry out of Boston, or carry passengers?
 
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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:45 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
I can see that they might have a team there READY to install the fix, but I'm struggling to see how they can be installing it BEFORE the FAA has approved it?

It seems like you were right, nothing has been installed yet:

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The repair kits could not be pre-positioned with the airlines in anticipation of the FAA’s approval because federal law requires them to remain with the manufacturer until the agency acts. Boeing has sent them to its global spares repositories but they still need to be physically shipped to the airlines.
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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:40 am

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 39):
The race is on to see which airline resumes revenue flights first...will it be the launch customer ANA or the upstarts from Addis Adaba?

Well, ET said to restart 787 revenue service from April 25. Other carriers will probably follow in May.

ANA plans about 100 to 200 round trip test flights in May of its repaired aircraft before carrying passengers again from June.

For some reason the African carrier don't feel the need to perform some flight testing first. I remember them putting their first 787 into revenue service 1 week after taking delivery of it, while other customers waited at least a month.

No idea why  

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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:22 pm

From the aviation week article linked by KarelXWB:


...federal law requires [the battery repair kits] to remain with the manufacturer until the agency acts...


I guess I find myself skeptical of this. What law might that be, and what are the terms? I suppose I could kinda-sorta maybe perhaps imagine a law stating that non-FAA-certified items may not be shipped if intended for installation on an airframe, but there are blatantly obvious loopholes in such a posited law and I have trouble imagining it having more than symbolic significance. Is this real, or a mis-interpretation?

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RE: 787 Clear For Takeoff On 4-24-2013?

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:21 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Well, ET said to restart 787 revenue service from April 25. Other carriers will probably follow in May.

ANA plans about 100 to 200 round trip test flights in May of its repaired aircraft before carrying passengers again from June.

The Japanese have always been more conservative than other carriers, beyond the fact that both battery issues were on their airplanes. JAL continued doing training (recurrent/initial) in the 747 at MWH until 2009 slowly doing more and more simulator work--most other carriers had switched to simulators several years earlier. The 100 to 200 flights gets most of ANA's pilots a landing or two, quiets the press and instills confidence in there Japanese customers.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
For some reason the African carrier don't feel the need to perform some flight testing first. I remember them putting their first 787 into revenue service 1 week after taking delivery of it, while other customers waited at least a month.

No idea why

Ethiopia, Poland, Qatar, Chile and the US are not Japan. Their carriers will all start revenue flights immediately (assuming the SB requires no FCF), short range initially followed closely by Atlantic/Pacific crossings--ETH is not the only carrier doing this. Unless modifications of some sort are needed, the majority of airplanes delivered by Boeing go immediately into service--that's normal. A week on a new type introduction that has been in service for almost a year--normal.

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