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Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:20 am

Link below states that IWA is the fastest growing airport in the country, pretty amazing numbers.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/mon...e-a6fc-11e2-9402-001a4bcf887a.html
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:11 am

1.39 million enplanements would rank the airport about #75 domestically based on 2011 figures (the latest I could quickly find), just behind BOI.
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:33 am

Let me explain something I noticed though about AZA: the service may be growing but it isn't too consistent. Either NK switches where they fly from AZA, or G4 switches around or cancels a scheduled service, or something related to G4's 757 issues. . The only thing I saw consistent was F9's service and even that was reduced to seasonal.
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:38 am

Williams AFB closed in '93 and for a long time nothing happened there. I think the first user of the terminal was Air Force One on one of W's trips to Phoenix around '03 and still a lot if nothing for the next few years. Some operations here and there but nothing lasting. Then Allegiant came and even in a bad economy the place has been bursting at the seams ever since. I'm amazed at how much it has grown when other airports near major cities can't attract airlines, GYY, ILG and TTN come to mind. Allegiant barely advertises here too initially believing their market was to sell a vacation here in the sun. Surprisingly though they quickly found a 50/50 mix between visitors and residents.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:05 am

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 1):
1.39 million enplanements would rank the airport about #75 domestically based on 2011 figures (the latest I could quickly find), just behind BOI.

# 100, by these statistics-
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airport...20-%20Mesa%20Gateway&carrier=FACTS
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:41 am

Impressive growth, especially for an airport that a few early on were saying had no chance of working.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:37 pm

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 3):
I'm amazed at how much it has grown when other airports near major cities can't attract airlines, GYY, ILG and TTN come to mind.

It's got a lot to do with the operators, I think. GYY has had trouble attracting carriers with any staying power (as has BLV, another good example you didn't mention). In contrast, WN made DET work for a long time and basically singlehandledly made places like HOU, OAK and MDW the airports they are today, and F9 may succeed at TTN.
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:14 pm

The airport has stated that they are in talks with multiple carriers and with th e addition of the the two final gates on the west side terminal hope to land that 4th carrier by years end. My guess would be a Connection/express (regional) carrier linking a few flights to a legacy a hub.

The plans for a brand new beautiful terminal on the west side are quite impressive and with the infrastructure being put in place right now ( new highway and water etc) the start date is being moved up.

Before Gateway came along Phoenix was the largest metro in the US served by only one airport.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:19 pm

Link to airport masterplan for those interested.

http://www.phxmesagateway.org/Docume...r%20Plan%20Executive%20Summary.pdf

And Phx787 don't forget G4 does that everywhere it flies, they adjust seasonally and reduce capacity system wide.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:06 pm

2012 was a great growth story for AZA with new route announcements coming almost monthly. However, 2013 is off to a slower start in terms of new route announcements.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 3):
I'm amazed at how much it has grown when other airports near major cities can't attract airlines, GYY, ILG and TTN come to mind.

It's got a lot to do with the operators, I think.



G4 filled a nice niche by offering N/S service at low fares to Arizona from uncongested airports throughout the Midwest & Great Plains region. The tourists and part time residents living in Arizona from these regions created a nice pool of potential customers for G4 to tap into. G4 has since complemented this service with popular routes from Phoenix to places such as LAS, HNL, and the Bay Area of California (OAK).
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:18 pm

Is IWA the only G4 station that sees the 757, A 319 and MD 80s? All three can be seen at the same time at various times during the day/RON etc.

Side question for those familiar with G4 ops, how does Gateway rank size wise in G4s operation? I would guess it has to be one of their largest stations if not the largest behind LAS.

Thanks for the replies everyone.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:35 pm

Impressive numbers but, we are dealing with relatively small numbers so big growth in percentage terms is (relatively) easy to make happen once there is some momentum going which IWA seems to have these days. Good to see it start to make an impact, I flew a private charter out of there several years ago and it was a ghost town aching for service.

interesting to note that both flight ops and passenger totals at PHX dropped very slighty last year over 2011. Around 170K less passengers in 2012 than 2013. Still over 40M passengers though. Wonder how much IWA contributed to that or is the service at IWA stimulating new travelers given its LCC style focus.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:01 pm

Keep in mind though that many of the markets served out of Gateway are no available to those who travel out of PHX
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting 93Sierra (Thread starter):
Link below states that IWA is the fastest growing airport in the country, pretty amazing numbers.

I remember MKE had that honor few years back...that didn't turn out too well.
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:54 pm

I flew several times into Gateway last summer to visit relatives on Allegiant (out of OAK), and was really impressed with both the carrier and the airport.

I got a kick out of walking onto the Tarmac and entering thru the tail of the plane, even in the sizzling temps.

I'm still confused about the codes for the airport -- I understand about FAA vs. ICAO codes but I've seen both come out on bags at baggage claim at Gateway. Is this normal?
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:24 pm

It's IWA in my logbook!
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
as has BLV, another good example you didn't mention

Forgot about that one, quite infamous too.

Quoting johnboy (Reply 14):
I'm still confused about the codes for the airport -- I understand about FAA vs. ICAO codes but I've seen both come out on bags at baggage claim at Gateway. Is this normal?

The FAA prefers not to assign codes to major aiports that duplicate IATA ticketing codes for major foreign airports, especially ones with nonstop flights to the US. An exception is Henderson, Nevada which had been IATA HSH for Grand Canyon tour flights but assigned HND a few years back by the FAA. The change was made because ICAO requests an airport reporting weather to have an all letter code. The FAA used to previously issue alphanumeric codes to smaller airports. When they gave Henderson HND it was probably believed there would never be a flight scheduled from the US where HND meant anything but Henderson. Although KHND-RJTT remains extremely unlikely it would probably get something different if recoded from the old alphanumeric today. IWA had been in use for some time for Ivanova, Russia by IATA. Giving Williams AFB an FAA code of IWA at the time again was probably not seen as a problem. AZA does not appear to be in use as an FAA code though so possibly it might be changed if this is seen as a problem. I believe Austin-Bergstrom initially kept the FAA code BGS after commercial operations were moved over from Mueller even though IATA code AUS was moved to the new terminal. After a year or two it was recoded by the FAA to AUS as well.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:34 am

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 16):
The FAA prefers not to assign codes to major aiports that duplicate IATA ticketing codes for major foreign airports, especially ones with nonstop flights to the US. An exception is Henderson, Nevada which had been IATA HSH for Grand Canyon tour flights but assigned HND a few years back by the FAA. The change was made because ICAO requests an airport reporting weather to have an all letter code. The FAA used to previously issue alphanumeric codes to smaller airports. When they gave Henderson HND it was probably believed there would never be a flight scheduled from the US where HND meant anything but Henderson. Although KHND-RJTT remains extremely unlikely it would probably get something different if recoded from the old alphanumeric today. IWA had been in use for some time for Ivanova, Russia by IATA. Giving Williams AFB an FAA code of IWA at the time again was probably not seen as a problem. AZA does not appear to be in use as an FAA code though so possibly it might be changed if this is seen as a problem. I believe Austin-Bergstrom initially kept the FAA code BGS after commercial operations were moved over from Mueller even though IATA code AUS was moved to the new terminal. After a year or two it was recoded by the FAA to AUS as well.

Note that Williams AFB's former IATA code was CHD (short for Chandler), which is the FAA code for Chandler Municipal Airport (which doesn't have an IATA code).
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:39 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
Note that Williams AFB's former IATA code was CHD (short for Chandler)

I'm not sure who got CHD first, FAA for Chandler Muni or IATA for Williams AFB. I think they quickly realized that was a mistake when commercial ops started and changed it to AZA.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:44 am

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 10):
Is IWA the only G4 station that sees the 757, A 319 and MD 80s? All three can be seen at the same time at various times during the day/RON etc.

That is correct, IWA gets all three types on scheduled service. Once the A319s start flying from LAS then they will have all three as well.

Its pretty amazing how much IWA has grown over the past several years. I flew on G4 out of Gateway back in 2007 shortly after they started service here. They only had two MD-87s based here then, and they parked the planes in a way so that they could taxi away from the terminal under the airplanes own power without the need for pushback tugs unlike what they do today. Prior to Allegiant, Vision Airlines was the only other carrier to operate scheduled passenger flights to the airport, using D328s from VGT a couple times a week. If I remember IWA only handled about 10K passengers a year at that time, and after G4 started up the usage of the airport really exploded. I have had nothing but good experiences on my flights out of IWA.
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:49 am

I really hope DL someday starts flying into AZA/IWA. I would love to have a daily 738 to ATL.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:00 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):
I really hope DL someday starts flying into AZA/IWA. I would love to have a daily 738 to ATL.

If DL were to try service to IWA I'd expect them to try it with a few RJ's up to SLC first, which I think could work, then maybe if that's successful they could try a daily flight to ATL. Although they run a lot of PHX-ATL flights already so I'm not sure they'd want to run flights to ATL from two airports.
Another carrier that I feel could work well at IWA is SY, I think an AZA-MSP flight would do very very well.
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:46 am

I know that G4 and F9 both have had casino contracts to Laughlin from Gateway and with SY also serving IFP ( Laughlin ) wonder why thy didn't bid for the contract.

I have always wondered why there isn't a Lax flight on an RJ yet.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:43 pm

I like the outdoor area at AZA after security-nice to eat or relax outside before a flight. I would hope they would keep. Something like that but looks doubtful according to the master plan. And on another note-this is my first post in over two years 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:49 pm

Its great to see all the airline growth at Gateway but at the same time its kind of sad. Gateway has been a great GA airport. There are multiple flight schools and other operators as well as tons of military and government flights that bring in a lot of interesting planes. I dont know how big Gateway will eventually get but they are going to start crowding out the little guys and all the rare aircraft. I remember when Sky Harbor had all sorts of GA planes based there and now its rare to see any. Gateway is a fun airport to spot at because you can see basically everything aviation, small single engine planes, helicopters, airliners, military, old warbirds etc. Overall its a great airport and am glad they are having success.
 
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RE: Phx Mesa Gateway Airport Fastest Growing In US

Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 18):
I'm not sure who got CHD first, FAA for Chandler Muni or IATA for Williams AFB. I think they quickly realized that was a mistake when commercial ops started and changed it to AZA.

CHD was the original FAA assignment for Williams Field (as it was known back then). I believe it changed when Chandler Municipal opened to avoid the obvious confusion.
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