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US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:11 am

I've been trying to create one or two of these threads a year for each of the US Legacy Carriers. I pick a day (usually a Thursday since that's a fairly "typical" day for air traffic), go through the schedules for US, AA, DL, and UA, and compile the results of how many departures there are at each hub/focus city on each aircraft type. I think it is extremely interesting to see how the airlines allocate fleet resources among their major stations, and to see how things change as mergers occur and as the economy changes.

This is the thread for the 2013 summer schedule of US Airways, and the date I picked is Thursday, June 20, 2013. I am also posting a similar thread for AA at this time, and will be working on UA and DL in the coming weeks. I will include details for all stations with 50+ departures for each airline (and possibly some stations that just missed the cutoff but are significant for the airline). Note that the schedules will vary from day to day and from week to week, but these threads should be a fairly accurate snapshot of what you could expect to see if you spent all day at one of the following airports this summer.

For simplicity's sake I will group aircraft by body type (i.e. I will not split out M82/M83 or 763/763ER, etc.), which doesn't matter for US, but will for AA and DL. Also, to be consistent, I will use the same codes across all threads, even if the airlines use different variations in their own schedules (e.g. 73W vs. 73G).

One final note: I counted the E90 as mainline since US pilots fly those aircraft, but not the E70/E75. I did include a parenthetical total % mainline including the E70/E75 since many people consider them to be on par with mainline aircraft from a comfort perspective.

CLT

DH8: 24
DH3: 49
ER4: 8
CR2: 117
CR7: 49
CR9: 93
E75: 29
E90: 1
734: 46
319: 83
320: 52
321: 85
752: 9
762: 5
332: 2
333: 3

Total: 655
43.7% mainline (48.1% including E70/E75)


PHL

DH8: 94
CR2: 141
E70: 19
E75: 50
E90: 40
734: 9
319: 22
320: 32
321: 33
752: 11
762: 6
332: 6
333: 5

Total: 468
35.0% mainline (49.8% including E75)


PHX

CR2: 48
CR9: 48
319: 74
320: 62
321: 52
752: 9

Total: 293
67.2% mainline


DCA

DH8: 7
CR2: 99
E70: 37
E75: 38
319: 48
320: 7
321: 7

Total: 243
25.5% mainline (56.4% including E70/E75)


BOS

DH8: 3
CR2: 13
E70: 3
E75: 2
E90: 26
319: 18
320: 10
321: 5

Total: 80
73.8% mainline (80% including E70/E75)


LGA

DH8: 2
ER4: 1
CR2: 14
CR9: 1
E70: 1
E75: 2
E90: 17
319: 20
321: 7

Total: 65
67.7% mainline (72.3% including E70/E75)
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:37 am

THANK YOU!!!! Looking forward to the rest of the airlines too! Always enjoyed these threads!

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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:41 am

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 1):
Looking forward to the rest of the airlines too!

Hoping to have UA done by the end of this week, and DL after that.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:46 am

I think it would be interesting to see US and AA's portfolio combined so we can see a kind of snapshot of what to expect after the merger. Are you planing on doing others such as WN, B6, and NK? Those would be interesting to see, but of course its all up to you. Thank you again for doing this!

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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:46 am

Thx for info. Very interesting to see the breakdown by a/c and locale.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:51 am

I'd like to echo the request for combined/comparable US/AA numbers if possible.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:00 am

Wow, this is very impressive! Does anybody know where that one CR9 at LGA goes to? I'd assume CLT but I don't recall the CR9s flying CLT-LGA.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:07 am

Wow, surprised to see how much mainline US has at PHX. After reading numerous AA/US threads with the majority of the
members downplaying PHX's importance, I could never imagine that there would be more mainline at PHX than PHL.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:59 am

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):

PHX

CR2: 48
CR9: 48
319: 74
320: 62
321: 52
752: 9

Total: 293
67.2% mainline

A small decrease in total flights from last summer but actually an increase of about 630 seats per flex day.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:05 pm

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 3):
Are you planing on doing others such as WN, B6, and NK?

I don't currently plan on doing those airlines, mostly because they only have a few different aircraft types. If anyone else wants to jump in and go through the schedules for one of those airlines, go for it. If you do, I would suggest using the same date (Thursday, June 20, 2013) for a fair comparison with the threads I am working on.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 6):
Does anybody know where that one CR9 at LGA goes to? I'd assume CLT but I don't recall the CR9s flying CLT-LGA.

That's correct. There is one daily CR9 on CLT-LGA-CLT. The lone ER4 at LGA is also from CLT.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:07 pm

Why is there still no A330 Phoenix to FRA flight ? BA an sell a daily 744 to LHR from PHX why not the hub airline ?
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:18 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
Why is there still no A330 Phoenix to FRA flight ?

With US about to leave Star there probably will never be a US/AA flight from PHX-FRA.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:16 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
Why is there still no A330 Phoenix to FRA flight ?

Because US has better places to send their A330s to. The PHX-FRA market is about a third of what PHX-LON is.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:07 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 8):
PHX

CR2: 48
CR9: 48
319: 74
320: 62
321: 52
752: 9

Total: 293
67.2% mainline

A small decrease in total flights from last summer but actually an increase of about 630 seats per flex day.

This is most likely a result of 321's replacing the retired 733 fleet.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:24 pm

Interesting that the # of mainline flights only differs by 3 in BOS and DCA. Maybe a crew base should be in BOS as well.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:33 pm

Quoting phllax (Reply 13):
This is most likely a result of 321's replacing the retired 733 fleet.

The west 733s were retired prior to last summer. There are more 321s flying though, many of which will have the 4-seat mod done by then as well.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:45 pm

Cross posted this in the AA Summer Thread.


Thanks to FSDan for compiling the data. I have pulled both the US and AA data together into a spreadsheet and shared it on Google Docs. It's interesting to see the data combined. Enjoy!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7IY9mLyD2djM2JuOUxBamkzWGc/edit?usp=sharing
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:50 pm

Quoting HNL" class="quote" target="_blank">HNL (Reply 16):

Cross posted this in the AA Summer Thread.


Thanks to FSDan for compiling the data. I have pulled both the US and AA data together into a spreadsheet and shared it on Google Docs. It's interesting to see the data combined. Enjoy!

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7IY9mLyD2djM2JuOUxBamkzWGc/edit?usp=sharing

HNL- Nice job, really gives a good overview. Thanks!
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting FlyUS (Reply 14):
Interesting that the # of mainline flights only differs by 3 in BOS and DCA. Maybe a crew base should be in BOS as well.

Don't forget to factor in the E190s that fly DCA-LGA 4/5x a day as well and the difference grows larger. I would think, however, that BOS, being at the size and level of importance to the airline that it is, would be a candidate for a base. However, US doesn't seem like the type of airline that establishes bases that much outside of their hubs.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:15 am

Quoting HNL (Reply 16):
I have pulled both the US and AA data together into a spreadsheet and shared it on Google Docs.

Thanks! One note - I believe ORD sees 15 US 321s rather than 25  .

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 18):
Don't forget to factor in the E190s that fly DCA-LGA 4/5x a day as well and the difference grows larger.

DCA-LGA is all 319. LGA-BOS has the E90s.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:35 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 19):
Thanks! One note - I believe ORD sees 15 US 321s rather than 25 .

Woops. Let's see if I can figure out how to correct that.

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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 7):
Wow, surprised to see how much mainline US has at PHX. After reading numerous AA/US threads with the majority of the

I'd be curious of the mainline seat offered comparison. PHL does have 17 widebodies that PHX does not. Though PHL has really seen the influx of the EMBs that can fly short-mid haul routes on PHL-east/mid central part of the country
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:15 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 19):
DCA-LGA is all 319. LGA-BOS has the E90s.

Now that I look, you are correct. That must be recent as I flew through DCA a few weeks ago and there was an E190 doing the 9am shuttle to LGA at my gate
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:54 pm

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
PHX

CR2: 48
CR9: 48
319: 74
320: 62
321: 52
752: 9

Total: 293
67.2% mainline

Wow, all narrow-body flights in PHX? I didn't know that. I thought they had some 762 traffic out of there but it looks like all twin-aisle aircraft go through PHL or CLT. Interesting.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:35 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 23):
Wow, all narrow-body flights in PHX? I didn't know that. I thought they had some 762 traffic out of there but it looks like all twin-aisle aircraft go through PHL or CLT. Interesting.

Yeah even the 752's are used mainly for Hawaii destinations. But then again, PHX has no european or south american destinations that would warrant the A330 or 762.

Sooner or later I hope we see them here but with the AA merger looming you can't be too sure what the fate of PHX is.


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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:57 am

Hubs by seats:

CLT
Express Seats: 22538 / 33.52%
Mainline Seats: 44709 / 66.48%

DCA
Express Seats: 10802 / 56.52%
Mainline Seats: 8311 / 43.48%

PHL
Express Seats: 15839 / 38.66%
Mainline Seats: 25128 / 61.34%

PHX
Express Seats: 6192 / 17.16%
Mainline Seats: 29896 / 82.84%
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:48 am

Quoting FlyUS (Reply 14):


US had a FA and FO base in BOS up until 2009 -- they were dismantled after the shift to CLT/PHL/PHX/DCA being the four main hubs/focus city strategy. (Which was when BOS lost the regular Caribbean flights, that are now only Sat only from ~Dec-Apr). The former base real estate under Terminal B has since been sublet to vendors which brings in a good deal of $$. Very unlikely that we'll see any sort of crew base in BOS IMO.

PS: Nice job to the OP -- how long does this stuff take you to compile?
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:43 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):

Because US has better places to send their A330s to. The PHX-FRA market is about a third of what PHX-LON is.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
With US about to leave Star there probably will never be a US/AA flight from PHX-FRA.

Well then Phoenix to LHR flying to BA's LHR hub. The only nonstop to Europe from PHX right now is a BA 744. With US merging into AA can Air Berlin be far behind, they love to fly to all the sunny US spots and AA hubs.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:10 pm

Quoting 727stretch (Reply 26):
PS: Nice job to the OP -- how long does this stuff take you to compile?

Thanks! It takes quite a while, depending on the airline and the tools available for searching. For example, for US Airways the desktop e-timetable is only valid up through June 6, 2013, so I had to use the website to search for flights. This requires clicking on each flight to see the type of aircraft, which is kind of annoying. Same for AA because I don't trust their e-timetable.

However, I'm currently working on UA and that is going a lot faster because of the timetable on their website. You can see all flights with aircraft without any additional clicks. That said, UA has a lot of hubs, so that part is taking a while. I would guess it takes me 4-8 hours per airline.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 11):
With US about to leave Star there probably will never be a US/AA flight from PHX-FRA.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 27):
Well then Phoenix to LHR flying to BA's LHR hub. The only nonstop to Europe from PHX right now is a BA 744. With US merging into AA can Air Berlin be far behind, they love to fly to all the sunny US spots and AA hubs.

I was thinking that, or AA could fly to DUS or TXL, which are the hub airports for Air Berlin, feeding into its network...

The future of PHX-LHR could be/get interesting. Would BA add another frequency, or would AA add its own metal on this when US/AA goes through?
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:18 am

Thanks for the breakdowns, very interesting info to see.

Nothing earth shattering, but it appears DSM-CLT will now go 2x CR9 starting next month for the summer. This is yet another upgrade over the current 2x CR7's, which were upgraded from 2x CR2's when the route was first launched a few years back.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:08 am

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 21):
I'd be curious of the mainline seat offered comparison. PHL does have 17 widebodies that PHX does no
Quoting wn676 (Reply 25):
Hubs by seats:

CLT
Express Seats: 22538 / 33.52%
Mainline Seats: 44709 / 66.48%

DCA
Express Seats: 10802 / 56.52%
Mainline Seats: 8311 / 43.48%

PHL
Express Seats: 15839 / 38.66%
Mainline Seats: 25128 / 61.34%

PHX
Express Seats: 6192 / 17.16%
Mainline Seats: 29896 / 82.84%


Thanks for the numbers. As we can see, there is more mainline flying at PHX than PHL.
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:31 am

Now that FSDan has posted the UA hub data I added it to the combined AA/US hub data for comparison and posted the data to google docs.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7IY9mLyD2djcDFPeXBmdzZsckU/edit?usp=sharing
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:28 pm

I am amazed by the huge percentage of express flights at DCA. While US considers this a hub, it is definitely not a traditional hub airport. Most of the CR2 and DH flights are off loaded remotely and pax bussed to the terminal. In addition, not all US flight connections are available on the same concourse, you have to exit and re enter security once in a while. Hardly a setup that would seem to be ideal for a hub and connections.

However, that said, no way they will cut these back as they want to keep their precious slots.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:26 pm

US calls it a hub based on number of flights, but it's still by and large mainly a giant O&D station and it functions as such with those kinds of issues you mention that would seem to add difficulties with connecting. Does anyone have the O&D vs. connection numbers at DCA for US on hand?
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:41 am

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 33):
In addition, not all US flight connections are available on the same concourse, you have to exit and re enter security once in a while.

Why wouldn't you just use the bus behind security? It goes from gate 36 to gate 23 (that's from memory, but I'm not far off).

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 33):
Hardly a setup that would seem to be ideal for a hub and connections.

DCA really isn't designed as a connecting hub. US wants, and gets, significant O&D from it, but will sell connections to fill planes. Much of the connecting traffic through there is better handled by CLT or PHL.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:00 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 30):
Thanks for the breakdowns, very interesting info to see. Nothing earth shattering, but it appears DSM-CLT will now go 2x CR9 starting next month for the summer. This is yet another upgrade over the current 2x CR7's, which were upgraded from 2x CR2's when the route was first launched a few years back.

that route must be doing very well! It actually just started in March of 2012 so has been running just a little over one year now. good to see! hopefully more midwestern airports will see some CLT flights once the merger goes through with AA.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting phlwok (Reply 35):
Why wouldn't you just use the bus behind security?

You could, but again really inconvenient. Walk outside in the cold and snow or (more likely) God awful heat and humidity, get on a crappy bus, get off, climb back up the stairs and hope you have time to sponge off in the bathroom before getting on your next flight.

UA has a similar setup at ORD, (shuttle bus wise) which is even more atrocious considering that is their home hub. Embarrassing that they have to make due with a facility that doesn't serve their needs.

My opinion, no one should ever have to go outside at any reasonably sized airport (unless its Hawaii or somewhere similarly idyllic).
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:26 am

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 37):
You could, but again really inconvenient. Walk outside in the cold and snow or (more likely) God awful heat and humidity, get on a crappy bus, get off, climb back up the stairs and hope you have time to sponge off in the bathroom before getting on your next flight.

Hmm, it only takes at most 5-8 minutes unless you walk up right after missing a bus departure and is far more convenient IMHO than exiting security, walking all the way over, and reclearing - the time to do that can break a connection if running late. I'd actually say it's less arduous than the bus procedures to RJs and props at gate 35A, though there are escalators down to the lower level for bus boarding. At least all the gates in the 20s though have jet bridges unlike RJ stairs to go up.

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 37):
UA has a similar setup at ORD, (shuttle bus wise) which is even more atrocious considering that is their home hub. Embarrassing that they have to make due with a facility that doesn't serve their needs.

Or perhaps the right financial decision. It's nice to have jetbridges everywhere, but it's not always practical from a capital expenditure perspective for the airport or airline, and there may not be enough room on the tarmac to convert all stair boarding locations to jet bridges without basically knocking down terminals and completely reconfiguring them (certainly true at DCA for instance).

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 37):
My opinion, no one should ever have to go outside at any reasonably sized airport (unless its Hawaii or somewhere similarly idyllic).

No argument from me there. It's just an unfortunate reality that implementing that to the extent we'd prefer isn't cost effective.
 
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RE: US Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:20 am

By looking at the daily departures of UA/AA/DL, I think it is quite amazing what US has done with the resources they have. I mean look at CLT. They went from a medium sized hub similar to SLC then soared past ORD and even IAH in size. It's incredible.
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