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A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 01, 2013 2:10 am

Due to length of part 8, please continue the discussion here.

Previous thread: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 8 (by iowaman Mar 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 01, 2013 3:51 am

So where are we?

At present we have MSN001 and MSN003 in hanger C63 undertaking pre first flight checks that Boeing would call Gauntlet 1, MSN002 is expected into final assembly soon.

Speculation at present moves to first flight (will it be by Paris airshow 17th June?) will she do a flyby at Paris, (considered unlikely) and when we will see her complete, anytime you're ready Airbus we know you read this thread throw us a bone.. and when she will be painted and rolled out, could we even see 2 aircraft at the roll out looking at the completeness of MSN003.

What we can say though is that the A350XWB program does seem to be tracking to plan at this point and first flight is expected mid 2013 or sooner.



Not a new image but new to me, I don't think that we have ever gotten a good look inside section 19.

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 01, 2013 7:08 am

I have been waiting for this aircraft for so long.
It's imminent first flight almost feels unreal.
I can imagine how it must feel for the A350's project employees.
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 01, 2013 7:20 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 1):
At present we have MSN001 and MSN003 in hanger C63 undertaking pre first flight checks that Boeing would call Gauntlet 1, MSN002 is expected into final assembly soon.

MSN003 spent only 3 days in hangar C63 and is currently in station 30.

Quoting chiad (Reply 2):
It's imminent first flight almost feels unreal.
I can imagine how it must feel for the A350's project employees.

Only 2 months left for first flight, it's getting more and more real  

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 01, 2013 7:59 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Only 2 months left for first flight, it's getting more and more real  

And the tension is building up.   But all seems to be going at a very smooth pace and we hardly hear anything now which might disturb us.  .

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 01, 2013 3:53 pm

In Holland we say "Geen nieuws is goed nieuws" (No news is good news) but 5 weeks without anything on the A350 sometimes makes me think that something has happened that Airbus doesn't want us to know about yet.....

Can't wait for the rollout and to see her in all her glory!  
C'mon Airbus, show her!!    
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 01, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 5):
without anything on the A350

Airbus shared a picture of MSN003  

Anyway, going through the pre-flight tests takes time. I don't think Airbus will release a picture of MSN001 with all the hatches open.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 7:17 am

I just heard that MSN001 will roll out in 10 days.

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 8:08 am

Tks
So on Monday mai 13th at the beginning of the only complete week of this month ....

What's the reliability of you ear ?  
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 8:25 am

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 8):
What's the reliability of you ear ?

Let me put in these words: I find him reliable enough to post the information here  
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 8:47 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
I just heard that MSN001 will roll out in 10 days.



Oooww goody goody goody!!!!!

So historically, how long does it averagely take between roll-out and FF  
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 8:48 am

Fine !
Thank you KarelXWB
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 9:10 am

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 10):
So historically, how long does it averagely take between roll-out and FF?

That's very hard to say. The A380 flew 3 months after roll out but they did all pre-flight test after the unveiling ceremony. It looks like the A350 has already done some critical pre-flight tests in the last 5 weeks.

It think it's reasonable to say that MSN001 should fly in the next 2 months. During the Mobile groundbreaking event in Alabama on April 8, Fabrice said to fly in the next 3 months. We are now a month further so it's getting close now.

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 6:42 pm

Well I hear that Monday May 6th is a good day to start doing some painting  
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 6:48 pm

Now we have 2 sources confirming the roll out   
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 7:09 pm

Going into the paint shop Monday May 6th.
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 8:10 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Now we have 2 sources confirming the roll out

We have 4, Jo Ostrower says the same:

"Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower 22m

Prevailing buzz points to A350 MSN1 heading to the paint hangar early next week, perhaps as early as Monday. "

Either he is reading this thread or he has his own sources  . Time to book that hotel Karel, bring the camera  .
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting ferpe (Reply 16):
Time to book that hotel Karel, bring the camera

I hope I could be there!!! Please flood us with pictures!!!
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Fri May 03, 2013 11:26 pm

Quoting ferpe (Reply 16):
Either he is reading this thread or he has his own sources  . Time to book that hotel Karel, bring the camera 

Most likely he is reading this thread.  .
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Sat May 04, 2013 4:01 am

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 10):
So historically, how long does it averagely take between roll-out and FF?

The A350 blog, which has historically had some good info and scoops about the program posted this headline saying that FF would be the week before Paris.. But the body of the piece makes no reference to the headline.

http://bloga350.blogspot.com.au/2013...first-flight-just-week-before.html

If a week before Paris highly unlikely to do a flying display as Airbus will take a week to look at the aircraft between first flight and second flight?
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Sun May 05, 2013 2:45 pm

G'day

http://www.flightradar24.com/

I have noticed the A 380 testbed for the Trent XWB engine flying a lot recently. Right now (per my calendar its Sunday today! which by itself is unusual) it is over north western Italy doing what appear to be lots of tight turns at 15000 ft. Are there any issues with the engine that were discovered after its certification?  

Anyone out there that knows some about this?

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Sun May 05, 2013 2:50 pm

Fly testing the Trent XWB on the A380 testbed will continue until the engine is at specification.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Sun May 05, 2013 5:49 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 19):

Hello
It seems that the source is the manager of le bourget 2013...
I don't know how he can say that.
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Sun May 05, 2013 6:41 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 20):
Are there any issues with the engine that were discovered after its certification?

After the certification there was an agreement between RR and A that they should continue to flry the TXWB on the A380, everything has gone fine but they see an opportunity to get a more mature engine then normal into the EIS A350s, something their customers would benefit from. You can find a flightglobal article about it IIRC.

I guess it is the new trend, find the not 100% optimal things early and tune the in service degradation already before the first customer gets the frame, the airlines love it and it will be a sales argument.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Mon May 06, 2013 5:34 pm

Someone else heard about the painting too:

Quote:
...the prototype of which is rumoured to be headed into the paint shop at Toulouse tonight...
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Mon May 06, 2013 11:31 pm

How reliable is this website on news?

does anyone have solid trust on this news and also (although out of topic for this post): "Expect to learn a lot more about the exact offering for a stretched version, or maybe two, of the A380 by the end of the year."

thanks in advance
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 7:17 am

MSN 001 was moved to the paint hangar yesterday afternoon indeed. Don't know which hangar yet unfortunately, so many are around now in Blagnac.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 7:31 am

Thanks for confirming knoxibus.

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 26):
many are around now in Blagnac

Probably a hangar that's out of reach of the spotters  Big grin

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 7:45 am

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 26):
MSN 001 was moved to the paint hangar yesterday afternoon indeed. Don't know which hangar yet unfortunately, so many are around now in Blagnac.

Any internal pictures of the movement?
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 7:49 am

On some french forum, a guy took some pictures from outside the site when they moved her, but he is only sharing them through private messages.

My guess is that they brought her to the closest paint shop, I think there is one just next the A330 FAL.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 7:54 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 28):
Any internal pictures of the movement?

I guess Airbus makes pictures of every movement. They just need to share it with us   

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
I just heard that MSN001 will roll out in 10 days.

In addition, I just read that first flight is scheduled for 11 June.

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 30):
I guess Airbus makes pictures of every movement. They just need to share it with us

Well yes   just wondering if they have made it to the Airbus intranet, I guess I'll have to brush up my French googling..
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:20 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
I just heard that MSN001 will roll out in 10 days.

In addition, I just read that first flight is scheduled for 11 June.

You mean it does not take 2+ years between roll out and first flight ?    Exciting stuff. This will be fun to watch.

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:21 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):

You read !
So fine ! 11 june is still well in H1 2013 (and Q2) and 10 days before summer
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:28 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33):
You mean it does not take 2+ years between roll out and first flight ?

Given the smooth assembly of MSN001 (and 003), it turns out that the production delays in the early development process was the right choice IMO.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 34):
11 june is still well in H1 2013 (and Q2) and 10 days before summer

And 11 June is also 1 week before the Paris airshow.

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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:36 am

Yes, i don't know how they can avoid a saturday 22 june flyby ...   during public days and with max media coverage
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:37 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
And 11 June is also 1 week before the Paris airshow.

Historically how long between 1st and 2nd flight for Airbus programs, this has been impossible for me to find out as nobody seems interested to record the second flight.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 9:04 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 37):
Historically how long between 1st and 2nd flight for Airbus programs,

I remember that for the A380, it first flew on a Wednesday (27th April 2005). Then the week after, on a Thursday if I recall correctly, it flew for its second flight.

This would require a lot of digging in the old threads of a.net I guess, in order to confirm.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 9:28 am

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 38):

I remember that for the A380, it first flew on a Wednesday (27th April 2005). Then the week after, on a Thursday if I recall correctly, it flew for its second flight.

This would require a lot of digging in the old threads of a.net I guess, in order to confirm.

The answer, according to the picture gallery, appears to be one week later on Wednesday 4th May 2005 so in theory the A350 could be airborne again at some point during the Paris airshow.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbu...dustrie/Airbus-A380-841/0830553/M/
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 10:33 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
In addition, I just read that first flight is scheduled for 11 June.

That would be awesome. But do you have a link so we can all view this news?   

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
And 11 June is also 1 week before the Paris airshow.

A fly-by is still a possibility for the A350-XWB at the Paris Air Show.  .
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 11:30 am

Flyby on the 19th would be awesome!!  

A350 workshop and fly-by on the same day.. :P
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 5:29 pm

MSN001 has been seen yesterday around 4:30pm after leaving C63 and it went inside the paint hangar around 2am last night.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):
MSN001 has been seen yesterday around 4:30pm after leaving C63 and it went inside the paint hangar around 2am last night.

Great, and now the spotter pictures please     .
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 7:06 pm

Pictures are always good!
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 8:00 pm

Jon Ostrower tweets that MSN001 initial engine run could be as soon as the next two weeks.
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Tue May 07, 2013 9:56 pm

And is wondering whether all is also ok with msn5000
 
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 08, 2013 7:13 am

Yes Airbus is very quit about MSN5000. No news is good news?
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 08, 2013 8:49 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 45):
Jon Ostrower tweets that MSN001 initial engine run could be as soon as the next two weeks.

Sounds things are going smoothly now with the A350 program. With first flight tentatively scheduled June 11, there is about 2 weeks between first engine start and FF. Is that about industry average?
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RE: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9

Wed May 08, 2013 9:17 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Yes Airbus is very quit about MSN5000. No news is good news?

The testing needed to MSN5000 for clearance for MSN001 to fly is to load the airframe to limit load i.e. 100% of expected loads during it's service life and show that nothing bad happens. That should be no problem for a structure which is designed for ultimate load i.e. 150% of limit load. A will approach this later limit very gradually as this is more of a nail-biter. The A380 wing did not sustain the full 150% on it's "MSN5000" but that was one year after first flight:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...below-ultimate-load-target-204716/

Further, A has tested the critical components last summer at IABG, as I wrote up-thread me thinks findings from these test might have caused a smaller correction of the section and thus the mid section delays we have seen. Irrespective if A needed beefing or not I don't expect there should be any trouble testing to limit load (if there is this is extraordinary and serious, it is 50% below what the models predict should be the limit  Wow! ). So this should not keep MSN001 from flying before Bourget IMO.

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