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Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 3:07 am

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...to-order-50-boeing-777xs-1.1180528

Here we go!! Qatar doesn't specify what types but says it will order at least 40, possibly 50. Can you smell launch customer?
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 3:32 am

80 A350's (with 37 being the -1000) on order, and a large 777X order. Seems they overlap a bit, but perhaps the 777-9X is just large enough to justify it.

I don't expect many -8X's (if at all), perhaps a few to

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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 3:49 am

I thought that TCL would have been him to the punch but perhaps EKE is saving the spotlight for Paris.
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 4:42 am

Looks like Emirates is next!

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...-with-boeing-in-2-months-1.1180428

"I can’t say how many we are likely to place an order for. But it will be a healthy number. What I would say is that we will have 175 777-ERs (extended range) by then. And all those have got to be replaced. So the number will be determined by the fleet replacement cycle, the big Airbus A350 as an alternative, whether we can get more A380s — above the 90 that we will have by November 2017 etc. But that also leaves a very large number of 777-ERs to be replaced. And we have worked very closely with them to get this one [777X] launched and designed. So a lot of it is a result of what Emirates wants."
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 4:43 am

I think QR will go for the larger 777-9X with options for -8X, should they turn out to be "not happy" with A350-1000. Keep in mind that later built -8X may turn out with lighter structure than originally planned and lower fuel burn.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 4:43 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):

80 A350's (with 37 being the -1000) on order, and a large 777X order. Seems they overlap a bit, but perhaps the 777-9X is just large enough to justify it.

The 787, A350, and 77X all fill different niches. The 77X will probably have an advantage over the A350 at long range (and vice-versa), while the 787 will fill the lower end of the market. It seems as if QR has decided that rather than going head-to-head with EK, they will focus their efforts on slightly lighter routes.

In ordering these three types, QR basically has ordered every single-deck widebody available besides the 767. They are clearly gaming for the lower end (by volume) of the long-haul market.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 4:55 am

This order is not going to surprise anyone. Taking current configuration and aircraft sizes into account, with QR's B77L seating 259 pax in a 2 class configuration and with the B778X being 18% bigger size wise, expect QR's B778X to accommodate 306 passengers in a 2 class layout.

With the B779X being 11% bigger and QR's B77Ws seating 335 pax currently, when delivered QRs B779X should seat 371 pax in a 2 class layout.

Their current high density B77W seating 380 pax (24J / 356Y) in the B779X layout would seat 422 pax. This aircraft is predominantly used mainly on BKK, MNL, JED, HAN (via BKK) and CGK operated services.

The best thing for QR with the B779X range being in reality 7600nm nonstop, it can operate to SYD, GRU, MEL, LAX, SFO and IAH without incurring any pax/cargo payload restrictions en-route.

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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 5:57 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The 77X will probably have an advantage over the A350 at long range (and vice-versa)

I am not so sure about that, Airbus has made changes to the A35J to make it longer range and beat the 77W on economics, by a wide margin at that. The more range they can give it, the more it threatens the 77X as most airlines will only be running the planes out the edge of their payload/range capability on a few routes.

The 77X will probably lift more payload overall than any A350. That being said, the ability to lift more payload didn't help the A346 compete against the 77W, the fuel burn was just too high on the A346 to take advantage of the additional lift capabilities that the A346 offered.

Interesting times ahead...we won't know how A35J vs. 77X turns out for some years to come. Excited to see the A350 in flight test soon and also what exactly the 77X will be when it's firmed up.

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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 6:08 am

The 77X might just be a little too much for some airlines and imho its biggest impact will hit the 748, which will be made obsolete.
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting rotating14 (Thread starter):
Can you smell launch customer?

So Qatar could be the launch customer for both the A350 and the 777-X? This is interesting.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 2:19 pm

Quoting brons2 (Reply 7):
The more range they can give it, the more it threatens the 77X

I don't agree. The 777-9X is large enough to be considered in a different size category to the A350-1000, so the 777-9X would be a perfect fit for those airlines that require something larger than an A350-1000 but not quite as big as an A380. I do not believe any increase in the range of the A350-1000 will threaten the viability of the 777-9X.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 2:29 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 9):
So Qatar could be the launch customer for both the A350 and the 777-X? This is interesting.

I wonder, both EK and QR are saying in the interview "the 77Xs will be offered somewhere between 2020 and 2022". So who will launch it in 2019   

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 3):
Looks like Emirates is next!

It looks like EK will steal the show this year anyway, with an order for at least 70 777X aircraft and possible another 30 A380s.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 2:44 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 9):
So Qatar could be the launch customer for both the A350 and the 777-X? This is interesting.

Wait for it .... AAB is going to declare himself the launch CEO for ALL future A and B aircrafts!  
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 3:25 pm

Jeez... okay, why such a crazy demand for the Middle East? Am I missing something here? I mean between Emirates, Qatar, Etihad and some other carriers they seem to have half of the world's fleet (if not current, then on order). It's quite impressive, but I wonder if they'll get a return on their massive investment.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting vio (Reply 13):

In regards to the B77X program, it looks as if they are looking for a fleet replacement for the B773ER. EIS for the B77X is expected to be just around the time the B773ERs will be ready to leave the fleet.

The Middle East has a somewhat stratigical place on the globe. Maybe (IMO), they want to have enough aircraft to make non-stop routes to virtually every major airport around the world. This means that for those pax around the world that need to make a stop in order to get to their destination, why not stop at airports in the Middle East... Just thinking out loud... But they must be doing something right for them ordering so many aircraft.
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 4:08 pm

Won't these mega orders from EK and QR so mean a vast number of second hand widebodies flodding the market, especially 77Ws, which won't do much for resale values?
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 15):
flodding the market, especially 77Ws

Yes but that's unavoidable anyway.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 4:42 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 15):
Won't these mega orders from EK and QR so mean a vast number of second hand widebodies flodding the market, especially 77Ws, which won't do much for resale values?

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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 8):
The 77X might just be a little too much for some airlines and imho its biggest impact will hit the 748, which will be made obsolete.

Big 747 replacement market out there, going to the 779.... For a lot of Airlines (UA, BA, JAL) it will be just right.
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 10:59 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 15):
Won't these mega orders from EK and QR so mean a vast number of second hand widebodies flodding the market, especially 77Ws, which won't do much for resale values?

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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 11:26 pm

Does anyone have diagrams of the 777-8X and 9X? And also vs the 777-300? I mean how long can it get???
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 11:27 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
I wonder, both EK and QR are saying in the interview "the 77Xs will be offered somewhere between 2020 and 2022". So who will launch it in 2019

Good question. Personally I think 2019 might be a bit ambitious for what Boeing is planning to do on the B777-X-program. But hey, they might surprise me and make it in 2019. But 2020 would still be good enough I guess. The promise of these to be expected orders is a strong signal enough on its own.

Will be interesting to see how many will be initially ordered by the Gulf carriers, especially since they have also upped the number of ordered A350-1000's.  .
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Wed May 08, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 20):
Does anyone have diagrams of the 777-8X and 9X? And also vs the 777-300? I mean how long can it get???


There you go, it's not as big as most people think it is...the 9X that is.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Thu May 09, 2013 2:02 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
80 A350's (with 37 being the -1000) on order, and a large 777X order. Seems they overlap a bit, but perhaps the 777-9X is just large enough to justify it.

Plus they're adding more A330s and talking about another 30 787s (via option conversion).

To (mis)quote Martin Brody: "I think you're gonna need a bigger airport."
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Thu May 09, 2013 9:08 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 15):
Won't these mega orders from EK and QR so mean a vast number of second hand widebodies flodding the market, especially 77Ws, which won't do much for resale values?

A feast for airlines like DL.

And other airlines too, all those relatively young 77Ws on the market, there will be some good bargains on what is the current state of the art plane!

waly777, some nice images, a shame the engines for the 777-8 and 777-9 won't have the RR badge on them though! From memory, the A3510 which BA have ordered is about the same length as the 777-8?
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Thu May 09, 2013 9:21 am

Quoting waly777 (Reply 22):
There you go, it's not as big as most people think it is...the 9X that is.

It's a 2.6 meters stretch, of course it's not that much bigger. The new wings and engines are the real "big" upgrades.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
"I think you're gonna need a bigger airport."

 

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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Thu May 09, 2013 10:27 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 24):
From memory, the A3510 which BA have ordered is about the same length as the 777-8?

No, it is longer.
It is about the same length as the 777-300
 
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Thu May 09, 2013 1:01 pm

Quoting waly777 (Reply 22):

Wow! Thanks! That chart really puts things into perspective. It also underscores the fact that the aviation world will become a long tube and two holes world! We wont have that many 4 holes and double decks to look at in compairison.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Sat May 11, 2013 1:52 pm

Quoting waly777 (Reply 22):
There you go, it's not as big as most people think it is...the 9X that is.

In reading http://arpdesign.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/present-and-future-boeings/ if this is the same visual, I'm wondering if Boeing may have changed their thinking a bit since August 2012 when it was drawn?

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_05_01_2013_p0-575533.xml says

Quote:

The extended twinjet series will include a 353-seat 777-8LX, sized to succeed today’s 777-300ER, and the 406-seat 777-9X, which opens up new territory in the higher capacity long-range market. The larger model is provisionally slated to debut first, with the -8LX following around 2021.

whereas earlier I thought the -8X was going to be a step smaller than the 777W.

I agree the 9X all along has been the same length, about as long as can be done.
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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Sat May 11, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 28):
whereas earlier I thought the -8X was going to be a step smaller than the 777W.

As far as I know the dimensions have not changed in the past year. The 8X is smaller than the 77W but the 77W achieved its 365 3-class capacity by assuming 9 abreast and the 8X assumes 10 abreast giving them similar capacities. What has changed is the marketing techniques not the dimensions.

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RE: Qatar Plans To Order 50 777-8/9x

Sat May 11, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):

Based on my experience (load factors and exceptionally strong in-flight online passenger survey results), could the A380 order could be for more than 30?

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