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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 144):
The 700s (and presumably the 900s) won't receive the new winglets.
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 148):
At the Paris Air Show in June, United announced it's commitment to retrofit the 737-900ER fleet, and ultimately plan to retrofit the entire 737NG fleet with the Split Scimitar Winglet.

These two statements seem to contradict. Also, the APB promotional picture for the Split Scimitar (see reply #64) certainly appears to be a 737-700.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting justplanesmart (Reply 150):
These two statements seem to contradict. Also, the APB promotional picture for the Split Scimitar (see reply #64) certainly appears to be a 737-700.

They don't contradict. He's suggesting that the -900s won't get scimitar winglets, while CALTECH suggests that the -900ER's will get scimitar winglets.

Though I'm not sure why; the -900 wing tips were modified to handle the blended winglets, so I suspect they could handle these new babies.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:08 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 151):
Though I'm not sure why; the -900 wing tips were modified to handle the blended winglets, so I suspect they could handle these new babies.


The quite possible that they could be modified. My statement about not modifying the 700/900 series came from UAs press release yesterday. They only mentioned adding them to the 800 and 900ER series aircraft. It's possible that the manufacturer and UA don't want to pay for a STC on what are comparably small sub types in UAs fleet.

https://hub.united.com/en-us/news/company-operations/Pages/united-installs-split-scimitar-winglets.aspx
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:11 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 151):
They don't contradict. He's suggesting that the -900s won't get scimitar winglets, while CALTECH suggests that the -900ER's will get scimitar winglets.

Though I'm not sure why; the -900 wing tips were modified to handle the blended winglets, so I suspect they could handle these new babies.

CALTECH is correct UA will equip the 900'sER with the scimitar winglets, UA made this announcement at the Paris airshow. However UA is starting off with the 800 first the 900's will follow at some point in time.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:17 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 153):
CALTECH is correct UA will equip the 900'sER with the scimitar winglets,

Yes they will....do you know if they will equip the 12 nonER 900s with the new winglets?
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:29 pm

In my previous post, I was focusing primarily on the 737-700 and whether these aircraft will be retrofitted with the Split Scimitars, although I also wonder about the initial (non-ER) 12 737-900 aircraft as well.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:30 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 153):
CALTECH is correct UA will equip the 900'sER with the scimitar winglets, UA made this announcement at the Paris airshow.

No one ever questioned that. The question is whether they'll fit them to the NON-ER planes... as well as the -700s.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:19 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 156):

Quoting jayunited (Reply 153):
CALTECH is correct UA will equip the 900'sER with the scimitar winglets, UA made this announcement at the Paris airshow.

No one ever questioned that. The question is whether they'll fit them to the NON-ER planes... as well as the -700s.

The non ER 900s and 700s aren't mentioned therefore they aren't being retrofitted at this time.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:33 am

772ER Lie Flat IPTE
N791UA exiting SFO 214/18Jul SFO-ORD 2228 PDT
This concludes IPTE program for 772ER. 3 remaining old 3 class international aircraft are 772A models and will receive new Hawaiian configuration soon.

Expect N213UA into SFO mod tonight 724/18Jul as first unit undergoing Hawaiian reconfiguration 32 Business (old intl business seat)/89E+/223Y=344

Last 764 N7066 is taxiing at HKG 6864/19Jul, completing the 764 lie flat program.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:21 pm

A320 Maint:
N460UA exited LCQ 6849/21Jul
N411UA exited LCQ 6855/17Jul
N403UA entered LCQ 6879/17Jul

A319 Miant:
N824UA entered LCQ 6863/20Jul
N838UA entered LCQ 6859/15Jun
N841UA exited LCQ 6856/17Jul

738 Maint:
N76523 exited INT 6862/20Jul
N87527 entered INT 6861/20Jul

73G maint:
N13718 exited INT 6860/19Jul
N16732 entered INT 6859/19Jul

Does anyone have a clue on when N753 N57863 will exit MIA. Been there since 5/31 and did a test hop a week ago or so.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 159):
Does anyone have a clue on when N753 N57863 will exit MIA. Been there since 5/31 and did a test hop a week ago or so.

TBD.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:43 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 160):
TBD.
There are some issues for materials to be used in some fabrication. Materials are being gathered. Was in for a 8C check.

CalTech - I heard that the non-ETOPS 753s are being converted to ETOPS. Is that correct?
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 161):
CalTech - I heard that the non-ETOPS 753s are being converted to ETOPS. Is that correct?

Haven't heard about that yet, but wouldn't surprise as 757-300 fleet would more compatible.

Did hear that the 737-900ERs with BSI are to get LiveTV starting this July. Might get pushed back a bit.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:28 pm

Photos from TR here on A.net confirm GoJet N174GJ in new colors: The Dreamliner Strikes Back! (by Tigerguy Jul 12 2013 in Trip Reports). One last GoJet CR7, N175GJ remains in old colors.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:39 am

With the delivery of B737-900ER N28478 supposedly happening this month - the last to go to s-CO according to reports, does anyone from UAL or other sources know whether the registration numbers will continue ala CO (479-480-481 etc) or is there a new numbering scheme for the s-UA delieries? I have seen N68802 and N68805 linked to Boeing registered B737-900ERs which could easily be the first numbers for the s-UA aircraft. Someone's gotta know!!
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:38 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 162):
Did hear that the 737-900ERs with BSI are to get LiveTV starting this July. Might get pushed back a bit.

That's nice. Sure would be nice if the 13 738s and 13 739ER with DTV got E+. I know STC would be needed for a couple configurations, but E+ is way overdue for these 26 units.

Can't verify the below is correct, but I've heard the 739ERs for sUA would be numbered:
38479
39480
39481
39482
27483
27484
37485
37486
37487
38488
38489
38490
46491
26492
36493
27494
36495
37496
37497
36498
39499

739ER New delivery:
N27477 sked to exit MCO 1100/24Jul
N28478 had a couple test hops in Pacific Northwest - should deliver soon

738 Maint:
N87527 exited INT 6854/21Jul
N76522 entered INT 6853/21Jul, then exiteds INT 6855/22Jul
N37293 entered INT 6854/22Jul

73G maint:
N16732 extied INT 6850/23Jujl
N17719 entered INT 6855/23Jul

763 Maint:
N674UA sked to enter GSO 6863/23Jul
N643UA ezxpected to leave, but can't find flight number
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:46 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 156):
The question is whether they'll fit them to the NON-ER planes... as well as the -700s.

The relevant quote seems to be

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 148):
At the Paris Air Show in June, United announced it's commitment to retrofit the 737-900ER fleet, and ultimately plan to retrofit the entire 737NG fleet with the Split Scimitar Winglet.

Since the -700s and non-ER -900s count as part of "the entire 737NG fleet," it would seem that they would receive the new winglet eventually, if that statement is correct.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:16 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 165):
Can't verify the below is correct, but I've heard the 739ERs for sUA would be numbered:
Quoting OldTTAguy (Reply 164):
I have seen N68802 and N68805 linked to Boeing registered B737-900ERs which could easily be the first numbers for the s-UA aircraft.

For what it's worth, N68802 is shown registered to Boeing Co and to a B737-924ER(WL), so OldTTAguy might be on to something:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=68802

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...7/42739,N68802-United-Airlines.php
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:35 pm

Logically the sUA 739s could be fleeted 0801-0849 ( unless that conflicts with the 744 fleet )
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:52 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 167):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 165):
Can't verify the below is correct, but I've heard the 739ERs for sUA would be numbered:
Quoting OldTTAguy (Reply 164):
I have seen N68802 and N68805 linked to Boeing registered B737-900ERs which could easily be the first numbers for the s-UA aircraft.

For what it's worth, N68802 is shown registered to Boeing Co and to a B737-924ER(WL), so OldTTAguy might be on to something:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=68802

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...7/42739,N68802-United-Airlines.php

Could be the 479-499 numbers are reserved for future sCO 739ERs. Who know when integration of crews happen, but sUA will receive a number of 739ERs to replace 752s. After that point, if there are still different subsidiaries, maybe the 479-499 numbers will be used. I still think the numbering is a bit confusing and the entire 300 range is available instead of having 800s be both 739ERs and 319s. Maybe logical that the 300's are held for the A350.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:30 pm

Keep in mind the A319s are N801UA , While the 739ERs would be Nxx801. And Ship/Nose #s are 4001 and 0801
So it could work.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 170):
Keep in mind the A319s are N801UA , While the 739ERs would be Nxx801. And Ship/Nose #s are 4001 and 0801
So it could work.

Though it's a small issue, it is an interesting one.

My guess would be that once the 737-900ERs reach Nxx499, they'll be moving to Nxx801 and so in the same manner that the sCO 737-800s moved from Nxx201 to Nxx299 then to Nxx501, etc.

I've been wondering why CO/UCH didn't use ship 801, etc. for the 787s - and therefore saved the 901, etc. series for the rest of the 737-900s. That makes a bit more sense to me, but, hey, whatever...
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:32 pm

From Puget Sound - Boeing Test Flights

Tuesday, 23 July 2013

N68801 B737-924ER United First Flight
L/N 4549 C/N 42740 B737-924ER N68801 UNITED
Dep RNT 12:27 PDT Arr BFI 14:56 PDT via MWH
Call Sign BOE585 Hex Code A92361
Aircraft was painted at Renton - First United ordered aircraft
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:30 am

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 172):
N68801 B737-924ER United First Flight
L/N 4549 C/N 42740 B737-924ER N68801 UNITED
Dep RNT 12:27 PDT Arr BFI 14:56 PDT via MWH
Call Sign BOE585 Hex Code A92361
Aircraft was painted at Renton - First United ordered aircraft

Nice find.

My understanding still is that the first sUA airplane will be Nxx479.

Also, it's interesting to me that they're using the Boeing code for Continental - it's a -924ER (emphasis on the "24").
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:12 am

N68802
N66803
N69804
N68805
N69806
N68807
N66808

Should be the next 7....

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...t=BOEING&Modeltxt=737-924&PageNo=1
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:17 am

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 173):
My understanding still is that the first sUA airplane will be Nxx479.

I can't find a N??479 listed in the FAA data base...doesn't mean you are not right but it's not registered to BA/UA.

[Edited 2013-07-24 23:17:32]
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:51 pm

An updated Mainline fleet plan was released today as well....

Year End:

23 747-400
55 777-200ER (33 PW, 22 GE)
19 777-200
8 787-8
16 767-400ER
35 767-300ER
21 757-300
110 757-200 (41 RR, 69 PW)
75 737-900ER
12 737-900
130 737-800
36 737-700
97 320-200
55 319-100

It looks like over the next two quarters UA will be pulling 19 757-200s out of service and putting 2 787-8s and 13 737-900ERs into service. Keep in mind that the above plan excludes aircraft that have been delivered but not yet placed into service and the 1 744 that is in charter configuration.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:27 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 173):
Also, it's interesting to me that they're using the Boeing code for Continental - it's a -924ER (emphasis on the "24").

It's identical configuration to the sCO 739ERs, so it makes sense to use the same customer code. That, and if the 787 is any indication, this is the last model Boeing will deliver to UA with a customer code, so it's sort of moot at this point.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:35 am

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 177):
Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 173):
Also, it's interesting to me that they're using the Boeing code for Continental - it's a -924ER (emphasis on the "24").

It's identical configuration to the sCO 739ERs, so it makes sense to use the same customer code. That, and if the 787 is any indication, this is the last model Boeing will deliver to UA with a customer code, so it's sort of moot at this point.

Does delivering a plane with a different customer code require any kind of extra certification/paperwork, even though it's the same plane?

I seem to recall KLM's 737-800s are designated -8K2 instead of -806 because Transavia already had 737-8K2s and it wasn't worth the paperwork to call them a -806. Not sure how accurate that memory is, though.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:32 am

739ER new delivery:
N27478 entered MCO 6861/25Jul

763ER maint:
N654UA sked to exti HKG 6864/27Jul
N657UA sked to enter HKG 6853 & 6865/27Jul via HNL
N643UA exited GSO 6851/23Jul
N674UA entered GSO 6863/23Jul

A320 Bins:
N421UA reported to have new bins

Previous changes also included in below update
CRJ7 N174GJ in globe paint
739ER New delivery N27477
772 Hawaiian N213UA in SFO mod
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>>>>PAINT United - Mainline REMAINING = (23 of 58 B744/B763 aircraft)
B744 (14/23) 104-105 [2], 107, 116-119 [4], 127-128 [2], 175, 177, 180, 197, 199.
B763 (22/35) 643-644 [2], 647, 652-653 [2], 656-657 [2], 663-677 [15].

>>>>PAINT United - Mainline COMPLETED = 642
A319 (55/55) - A320 (97/97)[475 UA Retro]
B73G (36/36) - B738 (130/130) - B739 (77/77) [entering fleet, 3436 CO Retro]
B752 (41/41)[former CO] - B752 (89/89)[former UA] - B753 (21/21)
B764 (16/16)
B772 (74/74)[52 sUA, 22 sCO]
B787 (6/6)[entering fleet].
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>PAINT United Express - Express REMAINING (295 of 451)
ERJ-135LR ExpressJet (8/9) 15514/17524-N12530 [7]
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (3/8) 266SK, 267SK, 288SK.
ERJ-145 ExpressJet ex UA EX two blue (16/22) 16541-14542 [2], 11544, 11547, 16559, 16561-14562 [2], 14568, 14573, 14907-22909 [3], 14920, 14923, 12924, 16999.
ERJ-145 Trans States (9/22) 802HK, 809HK-811HK [3], 829HK, 832HK, 834HK-836HK [3], 855HK.
ERJ-145 ExpressJet ex CO EX (109/116) 11535-11536 [2], 13538-11539 [2], 14543, 11548-14558 [11], 14562, 12564-12567 [4], 16571-15572 [2], 10575; 12900, 14902-29906 [5], 13908, 15910-16919 [10], 12921-12922 [2], 14925-14930 /15932-13975 [50], 14977-13981/15983-13988 [11], 14991-13992 [2], 11994-14998 [5].
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (14/38) 631RW-639RW [9], 641RW-642RW [2], 653RW, 856RW-857RW [2].
CRJ-700 GoJet (20/25) 151GJ-171GJ, 173GJ-174GJ [22].
CRJ-700 Mesa (7/20) 505MJ-506MJ [2], 508MJ, 510MJ, 512MJ-513MJ [2], 515MJ.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (33/70) 701SK-703SK [2], 705SK-710SK [6], 712SK-713SK [2], 715SK-716SK [2], 718SK-719SK [2], 724SK, 726SK-728SK [3], 730SK, 742SK-745SK [4], 750SK-752SK [3], 754SK, 763SK, 765SK-768SK [4], 771SK, 774SK..
CRJ-200 ASA, now Expressjet (8/14) 820AS, 827AS-830AS [4], 832AS, 835AS, 877AS.
CRJ-200 SkyWest (51/63) 903SW, 905SW, 910SW, 912SW-913SW [2], 915SW-920SW [6], 923SW-930SW [8], 932SW, 934SW-939SW [6], 941SW, 943SW, 945SW-946SW [2], 948SW, 952SW, 954SW, 956SW-965SW [10], 967SW, 969SW-971SW [4], 976SW, 979SW-980SW [2], 471CA.
Dash 8-Q400 ex Lynx (3/4) 502LX,507LX,508LX.
B1900D Silver Gulfstream (8/11) 81535-81536 [2], 47542, 81546-69547 [2], 87551, 81556 -87557 [2].
EMB-120 SkyWest (2/25) 295SW, 563SW - [14 in UA blue paint, 11 in gray paint and 17 extra in SkyWest House Paint].
>>>>PAINT United Express - Express COMPLETED = 155
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (104/104) COMPLETED.
Dash 8-Q400 ex Colgan (28/28) COMPLETED - total to be confirmed.
Q200 CommutAir (16/16) COMPLETED.
Q300 CommutAir (5/5) COMPLETED.
ATR 42-320 (2/2) COMPLETED.
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PAINT TOTALS: Mainline 678/700=96.9%, Express 455/607=75.0%, Combined 1133/1307=86.7%
______________________________________________________________________________
INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS

Airbus new interior bins (A319 N8xxUA) (A320 N4xxUA)
A319: (7/55) 02-03,26,29,49,51,53.
A320 (30/97) 07,21,22,24,28,30,32,35-36,41,48-49,53-54,56,58,64,66,68,73,80,85,87,90-91,93-95,97-98.

Airbus new Recaro 3520 Slimline Y seats (A319 8F/42E+/78Y N8xxUA) (A320 12F/42E+/96Y N4xxUA)
A319: (0/55)
A320: (1/97) 68

New ps Configuration:
752 (7/15=40%) - Completed: 589,595,596,597 In Mod: 510/IAH,512/MCN,588/GSO,598/MIA
To be reconfigured 502,505,518,546,568,587,590

New First & Business Seats for former United International Widebodies
B772*(43/43=100%): ER:204,206,209,216-229[14],782-788[7],791-799 [9], NonER:769,771,773-778[6],780-781
B772 768,772,779 [3 Old Intl to be converted to Hawaiian - see below]
B744 (23/23=100%) - Complete
B763 (21/21=100%) - Complete - B763 (14/14=100%) [2 Cabin] - Complete
TOTAL INTL(100/104=96.15%)[exlcudes 6 HI/Dom aircraft] When completed will be 101 Intl Aircraft
*IPTE: AVOD/Power, 3-3-3 Y configuration, Forward/Rear facing BusinessFirst Seats, Global First

New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for former CO International fleet
B752 (41/41=100%) - B764 (16/16=100%) - B772 (22/22=100%) - 788 (6/6=100%)- TOTAL (85/85=100%)

Economy Plus conversion [*Not Counting Four 73G and Eight 738 Micronesia aircraft]
COMPLETED - 788; 772; 764; 753; 752; 73G*.
NOT COMPLETED:
739 - 13 Ships: 0443-0455. other 65 Completed [83.3%]
738*- 31 Ships: 0260-0277; 0519-0531; other 91 Completed [74.6%]

New Hawaii Configuration for Select 772A aircraft - 32Business*/312Y (*7 across recliners)
B722A (1/9=0%) Completed: None, SFO Mod: N213UA, Remaining: N210/211/212/214/215/768/772/779UA

DirecTV (Former CO aircraft) [*Not Counting Four 73G and Eight 738 Micronesia aircraft]
73G*- 32/32 [100%]
738*- 104/122 [85.2%] - Not Completed 3260-3277, awaiting installation with mid-lav removal
739 - 55/78 [70.5%] - Not Completed 3456-3476, awaiting installation
753 - 9/9 [100%] - Excluding 12 Hawaiian configured aircraft with overhead TV (3860-3871)

WiFi Installation (excluding ps fleet)
A319 - (26/55): 801-811,813-819,822-823,831,835-836,839,847,855
A320 - (15/97): 403-404,409-410,420-421,431,435,437,443,454,461-463,468
744 - (9/23): 104-105,107,116-117,175,181,197,199
772 - (1/74): 773
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:25 pm

Quoting OldTTAguy (Reply 164):
With the delivery of B737-900ER N28478 supposedly happening this month - the last to go to s-CO according to reports, does anyone from UAL or other sources know whether the registration numbers will continue ala CO (479-480-481 etc) or is there a new numbering scheme for the s-UA delieries? I have seen N68802 and N68805 linked to Boeing registered B737-900ERs which could easily be the first numbers for the s-UA aircraft. Someone's gotta know!!

It is known. #478 is the last going to s-CO. There will not be a #479. #801 and up for new 737-900ERs.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 165):
Can't verify the below is correct, but I've heard the 739ERs for sUA would be numbered:
38479
39480
39481
39482
27483
27484
37485
37486
37487
38488
38489
38490
46491
26492
36493
27494
36495
37496
37497
36498
39499

There will not be 480-499 ship numbers for now, as these were originally assigned to COPA aircraft. That may change with any change in aircraft fleet numbering.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 165):
That's nice. Sure would be nice if the 13 738s and 13 739ER with DTV got E+. I know STC would be needed for a couple configurations, but E+ is way overdue for these 26 units.

It is scheduled, just hasn't started yet.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 167):
For what it's worth, N68802 is shown registered to Boeing Co and to a B737-924ER(WL), so OldTTAguy might be on to something:

Missing #801, it will be next after #478.

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 168):
Logically the sUA 739s could be fleeted 0801-0849 ( unless that conflicts with the 744 fleet )

It will be these numbers.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 169):
Could be the 479-499 numbers are reserved for future sCO 739ERs.

Old COPA numbers, will not be used for now. After #478, #801 is next scheduled for 01 Aug 2013.

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 173):
My understanding still is that the first sUA airplane will be Nxx479.

Old COPA fleet. Will not be a #479 for now. First United 737-900ER will be #801 scheduled for 01 Aug 2013.

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 173):
Also, it's interesting to me that they're using the Boeing code for Continental - it's a -924ER (emphasis on the "24").

They were ordered under CO customer code.

Quoting United1 (Reply 174):
N68802
N66803
N69804
N68805
N69806
N68807
N66808

Should be the next 7....

Do not forget #801, due 01 Aug 2013.

Quoting United1 (Reply 175):
I can't find a N??479 listed in the FAA data base...doesn't mean you are not right but it's not registered to BA/UA.

Will not be used by United. With starting new United deliveries, why have a odd ball #479 when the next numbers will be the 800 series.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 177):
It's identical configuration to the sCO 739ERs, so it makes sense to use the same customer code.

Correct.

United Boeing 787 number #907 should enter the fleet next week.

"United took delivery of another Boeing 737-900ER on Thursday, the 14th of 24 new 737s United will receive from Boeing this year. It is aircraft no. 478.

As United's Chief Financial Officer noted in our second-quarter earnings call with analysts and the media, “For each Boeing 757-200 that United replaces with a new 737-900ER, United projects more than a $2 million benefit annually. United plans to retire 73 domestic 757-200s by the end of 2015 and replace them with new 737-900ERs.”

Hope the updates clear up matters.
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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 165):
That's nice. Sure would be nice if the 13 738s and 13 739ER with DTV got E+. I know STC would be needed for a couple configurations, but E+ is way overdue for these 26 units.

Mid Cabin LAV removal/ AFT Cabin Reconfig/ LiveTV for the odd 737-800s is due to start 2Q14 in conjunction with Slimline seat installment. There you go.

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Quoting CALTECH (Reply 181):
Mid Cabin LAV removal/ AFT Cabin Reconfig/ LiveTV for the odd 737-800s is due to start 2Q14 in conjunction with Slimline seat installment. There you go.

Are these different than the seats the new 737s are getting?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:12 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 181):
Mid Cabin LAV removal/ AFT Cabin Reconfig/ LiveTV for the odd 737-800s is due to start 2Q14 in conjunction with Slimline seat installment. There you go.

Thanks as always for the updates, CALTECH. Any insight on the other 738s/739s (BSI or non) that don't have E+ and/or DTV?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:01 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 181):
2Q14 in conjunction with Slimline seat installment.

Knew this was coming... back to the 16/144 configuration, I presume?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 184):
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 181):
2Q14 in conjunction with Slimline seat installment.

Knew this was coming... back to the 16/144 configuration, I presume?

...I kind of assumed as well they would use the same seats that they are rolling out on the Airbi to replace the Koito ones.
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:35 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 185):
...I kind of assumed as well they would use the same seats that they are rolling out on the Airbi to replace the Koito ones.

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Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:56 pm

A couple of quick questions. On yesterday UA put this statement up on flying together

We took delivery of another Boeing 737-900ER on Thursday, our 14th of 24 new 737s we’ll receive from Boeing this year. It is aircraft no. 478.
As EVP and Chief Financial Officer John Rainey noted in our second-quarter earnings call with analysts and the media, “For each Boeing 757-200 that we replace with a new 737-900ER, we project more than a $2 million benefit annually. We plan to retire 73 domestic 757-200s by the end of 2015 and replace them with new 737-900ERs.”
We also expect to bring our seventh 787, aircraft no. 907, into the fleet next week.

With half of 2013 already over how many domestic, sUA, non p.s., 757-200s will UA retire by the end of this year and how many will leave the fleet next year? Also between the remainder of this year and all of next how many 737-900ERs will UA take delivery of? I am assuming that even though it has been pointed out that sUA pilots will start flying the 737-900ER when 479 is delivered. I am assuming that 479 was part of sCO's order prior to the merger? (If I am wrong don't treat it like it the end of the world just correct my mistake) The reason I am making that assumption is because the combined UA only order 50 737-900ER but now were are retiring 73 757-200 by the end of 2015 so I am assuming that part of sCO order has to cover the 73 domestic 757's still remaining in the fleet because UA only ordered 50 NG's.

My last and final question is with the domestic sUA 757's out of the fleet by the end of 2015 what is the plan for the 100 737-900MAX's that UA has on order? I only ask because in another now archived thread there was talk about the MAX's replacing some Airbus's in UA fleet and that idea was shot down so what is the plan for the 100 MAX that UA will start to take delivery of in 2018?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):

From Boeing's order and deliveries website, we know the following:

Total 737-900ER orders (sCO and sUA): 137
Total 737-900ER deliveries: 64

So that leaves 73 left to be delivered. Which funny enough is exactly the number of 757s you referenced.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:15 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):
479 is delivered. I am assuming that 479 was part of sCO's order prior to the merger? (If I am wrong don't treat it like it the end of the world just correct my mistake)

478 is the last 739ER to be delivered into the sCO side. Tail 801 N68801 will be the first 739ER delivered into the sUA side.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:28 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):
“For each Boeing 757-200 that we replace with a new 737-900ER, we project more than a $2 million benefit annually. We plan to retire 73 domestic 757-200s by the end of 2015 and replace them with new 737-900ERs.”

Can it happen fast enough?

In case you're skeptical, I did a back of the envelope calculation and got close to the same number of $2 million per aircraft/per year.

From other threads
UA Block hour cost
752, 5,925
739ER, 4,432.
estm 8 block hours/day 360 days a year
Cost per year to operate
752 17,064,000
739ER 12,764,160
$4,299,840 savings per aircraft swap

UA RASM 15.81
15 fewer seats on 739ER (assume 13 extra seats sold 86.7% load factor)
With average stage of 1250 miles, revenue per ticket sold $197.63
$197.63 X 13 X 2.4 (flights per day per aircraft) =
$6166 less revenue per day with 739ER or 2,774,655 per year

Savings $4,299,840
lost revenue 2,219,780
Net annual savings $2,080,060 per aircraft swap (including savings and revenue lost).

Additionally, the down time on the 752 must be greater than the 739ER, which should generate more profit.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:05 am

Looking through January 2014, 2 737-900ERs are to be delivered each month. Believe that wil continue until last one delivered.


Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 182):
Are these different than the seats the new 737s are getting?

Believe that they should be the same. #478's coach seats do have a new cushion, it has more padding on the bottom like the sUA 757's do.

Quoting n515cr (Reply 183):
Thanks as always for the updates, CALTECH. Any insight on the other 738s/739s (BSI or non) that don't have E+ and/or DTV?

Looks like one sub-fleet will be completed before moving on to the next sub-fleet.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 184):
Knew this was coming... back to the 16/144 configuration, I presume?

Looks like it will be so.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):
With half of 2013 already over how many domestic, sUA, non p.s., 757-200s will UA retire by the end of this year and how many will leave the fleet next year?

sUA domestic and p.s. 757s are being retired. Looking at the list, some are being sold, some are going to be parted out. Looks like the retirements will follow the addition of 737-900ERs.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):
With half of 2013 already over how many domestic, sUA, non p.s., 757-200s will UA retire by the end of this year and how many will leave the fleet next year?

Quite a few. Shocking to see a great bird being retired. But many will soldier on, till the 737MAX starts arriving ?

Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):
Also between the remainder of this year and all of next how many 737-900ERs will UA take delivery of?

2 a month as far as Jan 2014. Will probably stay at that rate.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):
I am assuming that even though it has been pointed out that sUA pilots will start flying the 737-900ER when 479 is delivered. I am assuming that 479 was part of sCO's order prior to the merger? (If I am wrong don't treat it like it the end of the world just correct my mistake)

# 479 does not exist and will not be used. See reply #180.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 188):
Quoting jayunited (Reply 187):
From Boeing's order and deliveries website, we know the following:

Total 737-900ER orders (sCO and sUA): 137
Total 737-900ER deliveries: 64

So that leaves 73 left to be delivered. Which funny enough is exactly the number of 757s you referenced.

  

Looks like Inductions will leave MCO and be done in Seattle to save money. Going to miss that new airplane smell. Was up on #478 today, oh she smelled nice. Looked good too.

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Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:18 am

Thanks for the info CALTECH, what is done in the inductions for UA?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:25 am

Did anyone happen to notice that the "Operated By CALA" stencil is NOT present under the "N" number on B739ER N28478? Is this the first to come from Boeing without that marking or are earlier deliveries sans stencil? Can any UA technicians confirm these markings on the last few deliveries? Fight Sim painter here striving for accuracy/authenticity.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:38 am

Quoting OldTTAguy (Reply 193):
Did anyone happen to notice that the "Operated By CALA" stencil is NOT present under the "N" number on B739ER N28478? Is this the first to come from Boeing without that marking or are earlier deliveries sans stencil? Can any UA technicians confirm these markings on the last few deliveries? Fight Sim painter here striving for accuracy/authenticity.

N36476 I believe is the last 739ER to have the "Operated by CALA" sticker on it. 477, 478 and then from 801 - whatever won't have that sticker.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:23 pm

Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 192):
Thanks for the info CALTECH, what is done in the inductions for UA?

Lots of Continental, err, United emergency equipment is added, placards applied, stencils such as 737-900ER on the nose gear doors are painted, some extra avionics wiring is installed, Engine MCD (magnetic chip detector) retaining bars added, items like that. Oh, and so far, Operated by CAL014A stenciled on the rear lower fuselage, and Operated by CO decals added next to cargo doors, red safety stripes added to Kruegar flaps and leading edge. Extra Stencils added to engine cowls along with red safety stripes inside of fan cowls.

Quoting OldTTAguy (Reply 193):
Did anyone happen to notice that the "Operated By CALA" stencil is NOT present under the "N" number on B739ER N28478? Is this the first to come from Boeing without that marking or are earlier deliveries sans stencil? Can any UA technicians confirm these markings on the last few deliveries? Fight Sim painter here striving for accuracy/authenticity.

On #477, it was not on when it arrived from Boeing, but IIRC, it was added during induction. #478 will probably have it added too. I'll grab a pic.

#476 had it added on during the Fleet Induction,



Acft #632 was scheduled to exit on 7/16.

Acft #633 is scheduled for Fleet Exit on 8/01.

Acft #907, 787-8, should arrive 7/30/2013.

NGS, Nitrogen Generating System, is gearing up.

As noted before in other threads, 757 retirements;

sUA 757 X1 exiting Jul 13- FEDEX

sUA 757 X3 exiting Aug 13- FEDEX

sUA 757 X2 exiting Sept 13- one going to FEDEX

sUA 757 X6 exiting Oct 13- two to FEDEX, 4 are old P.S.

sUA 757 X6 exiting Nov 13- three to FEDEX, 1 old P.S.

sUA 757 X1 exiting Dec 13- to FEDEX

2014 many 757s are going to FEDEX.

End of 2014, as more 787s arrive, some 767-300s are scheduled for retirement.

777-222 Domestic 2-Class Reconfig to start Jul 13.

757-222 p.s. 15 aircraft scheduled to be converted, 4 of 15 completed.

737-800 LiveTV and mid cabin lav now 2Q14.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:06 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 195):
End of 2014, as more 787s arrive, some 767-300s are scheduled for retirement.

Could it be that several 763ERs never get the Globe?
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Quoting CALTECH (Reply 195):
777-222 Domestic 2-Class Reconfig to start Jul 13.

Assume it has begun with N213UA in SFO since 7/19
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:43 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 195):
End of 2014, as more 787s arrive, some 767-300s are scheduled for retirement.

Do we have any idea yet as to which ones will go?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 197):
Do we have any idea yet as to which ones will go?

More then likely the 3-cabin ones. The 2-cabin ones will be around for quite a while.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status 16

Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:37 pm

Quick question: United confirmed earlier this week on the employee intranet that the domestic 757 will be retired by the end of 2015. So my question pertains to the LA-Hawaii market and in this market UA only uses 757's( both the 200 and 300 series) and 737s. With the retirement of the domestic 200's will UA at some point in the future base the entire 757-300 fleet at LAX for use on LA-Hawaii routes or will UA reintroduce widebody service on certain LA-Hawaii routes?

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