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| Quote: "La question est: avons-nous plus besoin d'une trentaine d'A380 supplementaires ou d'une trentaine de 777X?", explique Thierry Antinori. |
| Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): Tough decision; I was pondering it myself this morning, but decided to pass on both and have a croissant. |
| Quoting 2175301 (Reply 3): I doubt that the A380-900 will ever be launched. I cannot see any financial benefit for Airbus to invest in the 900. Have a Great Day |
| Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4): In many countries the demand for air Travel will continue to increase quicker than the development of runways especially in Asia. A 600- 700 seat regional aircraft on DEL-BOM, PVG-HGK, DXB-BOM, DXB-JKT for example would work I am sure when airlines look 2020-2035 in fleet planning. EK would fill them for sure! |
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| Quoting Stitch (Reply 5): EK had planned to put into service a two-class A380-800 with 653 seats for India operations, so they don't need an A380-900 for that many seats. |
| Quoting Bogi (Thread starter): With google translated into English: "The question is: we need an additional A380 thirty or thirty 777X?", said Thierry Antinori. |
: because in most cases, they demand to A and B and start the process for new air frames!
| Quoting astuteman (Reply 7): The interesting thing about those numbers is that they are both 25%-30% greater than their current seating capacities, clearly indicating that he is referring to the "double-stretch" we talk about on here (typically to 85m) |
| Quoting Bogi (Reply 12): More A350s are no option? |
| Quoting Bogi (Reply 12): More A350s are no option? |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 14): There has been some information on this forum that the A351 would only seat 317 in EK configuration. |
| Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15): In a 3 class configuration |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16): "Clark has ordered 20 350-seat A350-1000s, a model he says can’t reach Los Angeles from Dubai in the three-class layout that Emirates prefers." |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16): "Emirates has ordered a total of 70 A350s, including 50 of the -900 variant, which can fly 200 miles further than the -1000 but which carries only 300 people in the three-class configuration." |
| Quoting tortugamon,reply=16EK only wants large aircraft: |
| Quoting astuteman (Reply 17): I suspect that comment was made in its original configuration |
| Quoting astuteman (Reply 17): The -1000 now outranges the -900 by 200Nm or more |
| Quoting Bogi (Reply 18): Yes. |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19): I was not referencing range in my comments though |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16): "Clark has ordered 20 350-seat A350-1000s, a model he says can’t reach Los Angeles from Dubai in the three-class layout that Emirates prefers." |
| Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15): They will definitely firm their remaining A350 options (50) at some point in time. |
| Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20): Unless the 777-9x is capable of carrying a something approaching a full load on a route as long as DXB-LAX, I don't think so. EK may just ask for a higher-gross weight (HGW) A350XWB-1000 instead so more fuel can be carried for (mostly) non-stop operations on such a long route. |
| Quoting astuteman (Reply 21): My bad, I guess.......... |
How about this: I did not mention range (I think).
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| Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20): Unless the 777-9x is capable of carrying a something approaching a full load on a route as long as DXB-LAX, I don't think so. |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23): It was not that long ago that they did not even accept the A340-600s that they had on firm order and did let the additional options expire. I do not think this will be the same case here but I think the mix of aircraft that get delivered will be very different than the mix of aircraft that they have on order with Airbus. |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23): "It [the -900] is now appearing too small," says Clark. "So we may slip the order to the -1000, but the -1000 hasn't been frozen yet. We haven't decided quite yet which one we'll take. We're actually playing around with how this order fits." |
| Quote: but the -1000 hasn't been frozen yet. |
| Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 25): If Clark is happy with the performance of the A350, I bet he will firm those remaining options. |
| Quote: Clark hopes that the A350 will match the Airbus A380 program, which has exceeded performance expectations. “I kind of looked at the A380 as a late, overweight aircraft,” he says. “But when she flew, she was faster, more fuel-efficient and more aerodynamical and still is.” “Now roll that forward into the A350–it is late and overweight. But we got a pleasant surprise with the A380, maybe we also get a pleasant surprise with the A350-900 and -1000,” Clark says. |
| Quote: "As Airbus knows, I want to see it on its wheels with its engines running and preferably in the air," Clark said in an interview at a recent trade show. "I am afraid I am not prepared to accept anything until I see telemetry giving performances of the engines and the fuel. The A350-1000 is definitely one that we would be looking at. But first of all - show me." |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23): How about this: I did not mention range (I think). |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19): I was not referencing range in my comments |
| Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28): who else other than EK could use a possible A389.? I don't think there is much of a business case for airbus. |
| Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28): who else other than EK could use a possible A389.? I don't think there is much of a business case for airbus. |
| Quoting ASA (Reply 9): EK will DEFINITELY buy 777X and also more A380 ... 800 or 900 |
| Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 25): Completely difference scenario with the A350 IMO. If Clark is happy with the performance of the A350, I bet he will firm those remaining options. |
| Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 25): Now that's an interesting piece of information. Last year, Airbus started advertising the A35J as an 369 seater. |
| Quoting astuteman (Reply 27): I'm willing to bet he ends up with more A350-1000's than he's got on order now, though.. |
| Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28): who else other than EK could use a possible A389.? |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33): How a 6 meter stretch from A358-A359 resulted in 44 additional 3-class seats while the 7 meters between 359-351 only amounted to 36 seats never did make sense to me |
| Quoting chiad (Reply 31): The CASM, if you can fill it, will be unbeatable. |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33): I agree it is a different scenario. If they do cancel any orders I am sure it will not be because of performance but because their needs have changed and they may use performance/timing as a reason for the cancellation. If you take them at their word, (big if), and they do not need anything less than 3-class 340 seaters then it is hard to see them taking many 359s. However, I think they will because they will want the efficiency, the growth, and they have older aircraft to retire. For deliveries between 2014-2019 there really is not a better aircraft (except maybe the A380) for them. |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33): How a 6 meter stretch from A358-A359 resulted in 44 additional 3-class seats while the 7 meters between 359-351 only amounted to 36 seats never did make sense to me. It has the same length as a 77W so I would think that seating would be similar except 2-3-2 should be more difficult in J in a 351 which should result in about a 10 seat difference. Who knows, there really is no use trying to figure these estimates sometimes. |
| Quoting TP313 (Reply 34): Can anyone estimate what would happen to the 35J's advertised 8400 nm range @ 350 passengers if we instead account for over 360 passengers? |
| Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28): who else other than EK could use a possible A389.? I don't think there is much of a business case for airbus. |
| Quoting chiad (Reply 31): I think the A389 will sell far better than the A388. The CASM, if you can fill it, will be unbeatable. |
| Quoting SEPilot (Reply 36): CX has claimed that they will not order the A388 but would order the A389; they are the only ones that have taken that stance. Since the A388 has no competition (yes, I know that the 748i exists, but it has lost every head to head competition with the A388) does it really profit Airbus to build the A389 to just gain CX? Every other airline that wants the A389 will buy the AA388 if it is not available, and I suspect that ultimately CX will as well. Since it will be a long, long time (if ever) before the A380 program achieves a decent ROI I completely agree with your statement about the business case. |
| Quoting chiad (Reply 31): I think the A389 will sell far better than the A388. The CASM, if you can fill it, will be unbeatable. |
| Quoting spink (Reply 38): If/When boeing designs another VLA, Airbus will probably lengthen, lighten, and re-engine the 388 in response, but right now it doesn't make biz sense to pour more money in. |
| Quoting SEPilot (Reply 39): Boeing is not going to do it. They said when the A380 was launched that they could not see enough demand for even one new VLA, let alone two |
| Quoting 2175301 (Reply 3): I doubt that the A380-900 will ever be launched. I cannot see any financial benefit for Airbus to invest in the 900. |
| Quoting astuteman (Reply 7): About 2 years ago in an Air International article, Tim Clark was quoted as saying they were pressing Airbus to launch a stretched A380, configured to seat 600-650 in a comfortable 3 class configuration and 800-850 in a 2-class configuration. |
| Quoting astuteman (Reply 7): The interesting thing about those numbers is that they are both 25%-30% greater than their current seating capacities, clearly indicating that he is referring to the "double-stretch" we talk about on here (typically to 85m) He was quoted as saying the frame was good for 607 tonnes MTOW already, as it stood today, and was capable of more with some work, but would need upgraded engines to power it |
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| Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8): My hunch is that without Emirates, the 777X doesn't see the light of day, or at least would be farther off. |
| Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15): They will definitely firm their remaining A350 options (50) at some point in time. |
| Quoting tortugamon (Reply 33): Absolutely. I think they will even have more 351s than 359s in the end. |
.| Quoting Boysteve (Reply 40): Personally I don't think this is quite right. If Boeing developed an A380 equivalent then the competition would have bought selling prices down as we know. My understanding is that Boeing thought that the lower selling prices would mean the ROI would probably not be met within an acceptable time-frame if at all. Sure, Boeing could go ahead anyway and ruin the party for Airbus but that would not provide any financial return for their own shareholders. Being first was everything!. |
