Brazilian Aviation News 15

LipeGIG · Thu May 30, 2013 2:18 am

Closer to major events, I decided to return to this format in order to keep you all posted of what is going on Brazilian Aviation.

Despite some strong international and domestic routes, airlines continue to cut capacity on both dom/int markets. With higher inflation fears it seems Brazilians are not so positive about a leisure trip and corporate customers continue to look into costs very closer, reducing their air needs as economy shows signals of a slowdown time (plus Selic rate, the basic interest rate, was increased today to 8% from 7.5% to fight inflation)

Some recent news:

* BA to deploy the 77W on LHR-GIG for IATA winter 2013/2014
* Etihad reduced AUH-GRU from planned daily operation to just 3x weekly (expected to return to a daily operation by the end of October)
* TK will use a smaller A343 on its daily service IST-GRU-EZE instead of the current 77W (4x weekly)
* LA to replace JJ on the GIG-SCL-GIG sole flight (to become 2x daily LA again)
* JJ to replace LA on one of their GRU-SCL-GRU (to become 24x weekly JJ)
* JJ to reduce GRU-MCO daylight from daily to 4x weekly during off-season (to Return as daily by December, 12)
* JJ to reduce MAO-MIA daily to 4x weekly during off-season (to return as daily by December)
* AR to fly 16 extra BUE-GIG flights (including as many as 10 A343 flights) for the WYD 2013
* Alitalia to run daily its FCO-GIG flight during July (WYD)
* First World Cup charter , a MIA-GIG-MIA, authorized by Brazilian ANAC
* EK to fly a charter DXB-BSB to carry the Japan National team for the Confederations Cup 2013
* Atlas B748F landed for the first time in Brazil (VCP) this week
* UX applied for just 3x weekly MAD-GRU operation (A332)
* TP to fly LIS-GIG 13x weekly + OPO-GIG 3x weekly during IATA summer
* G3 got rights for a 3x weekly flight to Nigeria
* AD announced their IPO

tonytifao · Thu May 30, 2013 3:47 am

Thanks Felipe! That is a lot of reductions.

Unfortunately our country still shows it can't take advantage to its fullest when it comes to economy.

Airport infrastructure has really seen no major improvements and the World Cup is just around the corner.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
G3 got rights for a 3x weekly flight to Nigeria

What aircraft would G3 fly to Nigeria?

SCL767 · Thu May 30, 2013 8:39 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):

* LA to replace JJ on the GIG-SCL-GIG sole flight (to become 2x daily LA again)
* JJ to replace LA on one of their GRU-SCL-GRU (to become 24x weekly JJ)

For the ski season LATAM will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route up to 66x weekly and will operate the SCL-GIG route 21x weekly: TAM e LAN ampliarão oferta de voos para o Chile durante temporada de neve

LipeGIG · Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 1):

What aircraft would G3 fly to Nigeria?

Probably the 738. They will take advantage of Fernando de Noronha Island, probably, the same way we see an operation from Praia to FOR operated by B752.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
For the ski season LATAM will increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route up to 66x weekly and will operate the SCL-GIG route 21x weekly: TAM e LAN ampliarão oferta de voos para o Chile durante temporada de neve

Yes, but after that, some reductions will be in place.
Booming days seems to be over.

tonytifao · Thu May 30, 2013 4:34 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Probably the 738. They will take advantage of Fernando de Noronha Island, probably, the same way we see an operation from Praia to FOR operated by B752.

Why doesn't GOL order any wide body aircrafts? Makes no sense to me.

tonytifao · Thu May 30, 2013 4:35 pm

Anyone has any idea when AA POA service will be bookable?

LipeGIG · Thu May 30, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 4):
Why doesn't GOL order any wide body aircrafts? Makes no sense to me

They tried with the wrong product a while ago and the results were horrible. I believe it raises a red flag among the Board of Directors that prevent them to try again.
Long haul is profitable, but you got to know your focus and possibilities.

Brazil is in need of Brazilian airlines looking to attract tourists for example. We only have so far "premium" focus (JJ for example flies only to prime markets and leisure markets Brazilians focus, not the opposite).

Great opportunities in places such as Moscow, Oslo, Stockholm... but these are not prime business markets.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 5):
Anyone has any idea when AA POA service will be bookable?

Hope in one month to allow strong advance bookings.

C010T3 · Fri May 31, 2013 3:06 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 5):
Anyone has any idea when AA POA service will be bookable?

If the plans go forward, I expect AA to start preparations only after DOT's decision in the 2013/14 US-Brazil frequency proceeding. They seem not to have done anything about the new service, so that DL doesn't have extra ammunition against their case.

reffado · Fri May 31, 2013 3:16 am

Anyone have the specific dates for the EK charter to BSB? Very interested in seeing the 77W here!

LipeGIG · Fri May 31, 2013 5:42 am

Quoting Reffado (Reply 8):
Anyone have the specific dates for the EK charter to BSB? Very interested in seeing the 77W here!

EK2263 expected to arrive BSB June 12 at 10:50 AM local time
EK8264 expected to depart BSB June 13 at 12:50 PM local time

tonytifao · Fri May 31, 2013 1:35 pm

Anyone know how G3 US service is doing? I saw their 738 a couple weeks ago at MCO

AwysBSB · Fri May 31, 2013 6:02 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
TP to fly LIS-GIG 13x weekly + OPO-GIG 3x weekly during IATA summer

Next week, TP will return the 7th frequency for the route LIS-BSB. That is far less than what BSB market needs, since AF should be already operating there.
If TP only had in its fleet more larger aircraft, like the 333 or even the 346, their supply would less be insufficient.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
EK2263 expected to arrive BSB June 12 at 10:50 AM local time
EK8264 expected to depart BSB June 13 at 12:50 PM local time

Several events have made and will continue to make Arabian airliners visit BSB, but EK is a great candidate for launching nonstop scheduled service to there, and following those arrival and departure times quoted above.

[Edited 2013-05-31 11:23:12]

2travel2know2 · Fri May 31, 2013 7:02 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 10):
Anyone know how G3 US service is doing? I saw their 738 a couple weeks ago at MCO

Last time I was @ GRU I was waiting for CM next to the G3 departure gate to SDQ.
Having flown G3 GRU-UDI-CGH that time, I noticed G3 GRU departure boarding is quite messy, be domestic or international.
G3 is such an airline with a good vibe, crews, airport personnel included.. I'm sorry it's prone to so many international route planning failures. Those Brazil-SDQ-Florida routes need aircraft with J cabin, if G3 isn't willing to re-configure a couple of frames w/J class, they better stop selling the B and D seats in the front 3-4 rows on those flights and charge a premium for those wishing to seats on those rows.

LipeGIG · Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:16 am

* JJ to reduce offer on both GRU-CCS and GRU-BOG, deploying A320 instead of A332
* JJ A332 to replace LA 763 early morning GRU-SCL
* JJ to resume 4x weekly daylight GRU-JFK using B77W
* AA to cut again GRU-JFK daylight during off-peak season from Daily to Weekends only
* AA to reduce GIG-MIA from 2x daily to 1x daily (AA901/990 suspended) during 08/31 - 11/20
* JJ to also reduce GRU-LIM , using A320 and cancelling some flights (up to 3 per week) between Sep-Oct

2travel2know2 · Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:44 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
* JJ to reduce offer on both GRU-CCS and GRU-BOG, deploying A320 instead of A332

Looks like JJ is pushing to move more SAO-CCS/BOG traffic via LIM off from its non-stops.
Dropping GRU-CCS would be a huge mistake, as it's quite doubtful JJ would have an easy time getting new permits from Venezuela.

SCL767 · Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:48 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
GRU-BOG, deploying A320 instead of A332

TAM dropped the GRU-BOG route last year when LAN launched BOG-GRU. LAN Colombia operates the BOG-GRU route daily with B763.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
JJ to also reduce GRU-LIM , using A320 and cancelling some flights (up to 3 per week) between Sep-Oct

LAN Perú recently increased frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 10x weekly. Perhaps LAN Perú will eventually take-over the route from TAM...

SCL767 · Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:25 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
* JJ to resume 4x weekly daylight GRU-JFK using B77W

Overall TAM will operate 18 weekly flights into JFK. On 12AUG13 the GIG-JFK route increases to a daily service utilizing the new B763s transferred to TAM from LAN. On 21SEP13, TAM will increase frequency on the GRU-JFK route to 11x weekly utilizing the 77W.

Today US Airways launched the CLT-GRU route: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE802

LipeGIG · Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:12 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
TAM dropped the GRU-BOG route last year when LAN launched BOG-GRU. LAN Colombia operates the BOG-GRU route daily with B763.

Thanks for the correction , I did not pay attention for that.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
LAN Perú recently increased frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 10x weekly. Perhaps LAN Perú will eventually take-over the route from TAM...

Looks like TAM will run GRU-SCL and LAN will run GRU-LIM... it could very well be.

SCL767 · Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
Looks like TAM will run GRU-SCL and LAN will run GRU-LIM... it could very well be.

LAN will not drop the SCL-GRU route for various reasons. The CEO recently mentioned that LATAM (LAN) will reinforce flights into GRU later this year and well into next year as LAN takes on more 787s. The main goal for LAN (and TAM) is to build up GRU effectively making it a major "fortress" hub for the holding. Basically most of LA's potential long-haul routes will operate via GRU. Also, for the high season, LA will operate the SCL-GIG route 2x daily and JJ will operate the GIG-SCL route on a daily basis.

reffado · Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:35 am

As a reminder for any local spotters, EK2263 is en route DOH-BSB, operated by B77L A6-EWC, estimated to land at 10:40 AM local time.

Possibly the first time the 77L lands in BSB in a pax version. Curious that the flight is coming from DOH and not DXB as predicted, though.

SCL767 · Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:29 pm

Lufthansa will deploy the 747-8 on the FRA-GRU route on 20JUN13:
http://www.lufthansa.com/br/pt/experience_the_legend_747-8

SCL767 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:00 am

TAM Airlines B-767-316ER PT-MSY (formerly CC-BDL):

Looks Fantastic!

SCL767 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:09 am

On 21AUG13, TAM will operate the GRU-MEX route as overnight flights in both directions:
JJ8112 GRU 01:35 MEX 09:15 A332 Daily
JJ8113 MEX 19:50 GRU 07:10+1 A332 Daily

Also on the same date, TAM will transfer its operations at MAD from T1 over to T4.

SJOtoLIR · Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:45 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 4):
Why doesn't GOL order any wide body aircrafts?

GOL used to operate some 767s who belonged to the former VARIG.
I'm not clear why did G3 drop the utilization of these planes? Perhaps they weren't forming part of their commercial plans, in the mid-term.

.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Great opportunities in places such as Moscow, Oslo, Stockholm

Are you thinking at GRU as the Brazilian airport who might attend these routes?

Regards.

SJOtoLIR · Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:45 pm

Avianca Group carriers TACA and Avianca Brazil has launched unilateral code-share operation, which sees TACA’s “TA” code appearing on selected Avianca Brazil routes from Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo.

Rio de Janeiro – Brasilia
Rio de Janeiro – Florianopolis
Rio de Janeiro – Salvador da Bahia
Sao Paulo – Brasilia
Sao Paulo – Cuiaba
Sao Paulo – Florianopolis
Sao Paulo – Porto Alegre
Sao Paulo – Rio de Janeiro
Sao Paulo – Salvador da Bahia

I'm not clear about why is the source mentioning TA?
It's widely known how the TA brand will be gradually integrated into AV.

Regards.

LipeGIG · Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:37 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
Are you thinking at GRU as the Brazilian airport who might attend these routes?

No. We need to look to GRU as:
* Business (except oil & gas)
* Leisure origination due to the very large metro area and catchment as the main hub.

But...

Oslo - 99% of the business between Norway and Brazil is made in Sao Paulo. Their focus are oil & gas, mining, shipping and metals. Their main assets in Brazil have HQ in Rio: Hydro (now controls Vale industrial assets) and Statoil (second largest oil player in Brazil right now). Tourism from Brazil is limited, tourism from Norway can become bigger (if they accept to go to Thailand, Brazil is at the same distance, but need to become cheaper)

Moscow - Likewise Oslo, no industrial or strong commercial ties. Again could be a market that originates leisure to Brazil.

Stockholm - Makes more sense in terms to links to Sao Paulo, a lot of industrial investment. Could become an interesting business route (I foresee 3/4x weekly service being sustainable and profitable) and could lead to more leisure on both sides.

I see more OSL-GIG, DME-Northeast.

2travel2know2 · Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:25 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 25):
I see more OSL-GIG, DME-Northeast.

Business travellers unless flying together in large groups like to have the flexibility to be able to fly every-day even if it means connecting some-where. That'd be why chances for any OSL-GIG may be small, at best.
Both MOW-Northeast Brazil and OSL/CPH/ARN-Northeast Brazil stand more chance as charter flights.
Scandinavians are known to fly long distances to get a sunny holiday (MLE, SEZ, BJL, HKT) so something like ARN-FOR, CPH-SSA or OSL-REC could happen quite soon.
Long-by-gone will remain the days SK flew B767 to GRU.

SJOtoLIR · Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 25):
Moscow - Likewise Oslo, no industrial or strong commercial ties. Again could be a market that originates leisure to Brazil.

Transaero from Russia had announced the UN DME-GIG sector for 2011. However, I found nothing related to any GIG-Moscow at this time.
Does the market really exist to perform this operation sustainably?

Regards.

C010T3 · Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:49 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 27):
Transaero from Russia had announced the UN DME-GIG sector for 2011. However, I found nothing related to any GIG-Moscow at this time.
Does the market really exist to perform this operation sustainably?

It was supposed to be a seasonal flight during the Brazilian summer. They were only selling the flights in Russia in package holiday tours, which did not work at all.

7BOEING7 · Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:27 pm

Looks like ETH is starting service into GIG and GRU today with the 787.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH506

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Flight...utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=weblet

C010T3 · Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:57 am

On the ground at GIG:

http://forum.contatoradar.com.br/ind...56-ethiopian-787-no-galeao-172013/

AwysBSB · Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:11 pm

Nice to see Ethiopian in Brazil!
I can not wait to know their yields in this new service.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 26):
Business travellers unless flying together in large groups like to have the flexibility to be able to fly every-day even if it means connecting some-where. That'd be why chances for any OSL-GIG may be small, at best.
Both MOW-Northeast Brazil and OSL/CPH/ARN-Northeast Brazil stand more chance as charter flights.
Scandinavians are known to fly long distances to get a sunny holiday (MLE, SEZ, BJL, HKT) so something like ARN-FOR, CPH-SSA or OSL-REC could happen quite soon.

It was addressed, in the thread Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 1, the possibility of UN operates their 762 on DME-CPH-FOR-NAT-CPH-DME in code-share with SK.
Taking into account the regular leisure traffic on Scandinavia-Northeast Brazil and the UN's inclination to Star Alliance, such a route could be scheduled, if it was operated two times a week.

[Edited 2013-07-02 14:19:34]

LipeGIG · Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:19 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 30):
On the ground at GIG:

Seems first flights were above expectations in terms of activity: 152 passengers to Rio/Sao Paulo, 183 to Lome.

Good to see the 787 finally in Brazil !

LAXintl · Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:11 am

I read article about the difficulties GOL is having.

Says weak economy and weak Real is wiping away savings from the carriers ongoing turn around effort.

With mismatch of heavy Dollar based expenses and Real revenues the carrier has sees mounting foreign debt and fuel expense even as 20 percent of the workforce has been cut.

Carrier has seen its share price tumble 39% since April, and analysts project a third straight annual loss this year. CEO says the is neearing the limits of its ability to keep cutting expenses. Carrier said it would now reduce 2013 capacity 9%, some 2 points deeper then previously forecast.

Worst Currency Decline Imperils Gol’s Turnaround Strategy
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ils-gol-s-turnaround-strategy.html

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2travel2know2 · Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:38 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
With mismatch of heavy Dollar based expenses and Real revenues the carrier has sees mounting foreign debt and fuel expense even as 20 percent of the workforce has been cut.

Also G3 doesn't have lots of international destinations where to get passengers buying air-fares with USDollar.

LipeGIG · Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:54 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):
I read article about the difficulties GOL is having.

Says weak economy and weak Real is wiping away savings from the carriers ongoing turn around effort.

GOL needs to improve their international product as well as the longer domestic routes (such as MAO-GIG, MAO-GRU, BEL-GRU and BEL-GIG). They need to obtain higher yields and better loads at the same time, it is impossible to run 8x daily flights to Buenos Aires, 3x daily to Montevideo, 1x daily to Cordoba, plus some ASU, VVI, CCS, 2x SDQ-MIA/MCO and obtain less than 60% load factor every month while other competitors such as JJ, CM and LA easily got above 75%. Something is wrong.... and it seems to me a matter of wrong product. LCLF room for regional services ? I doubt

andrefranca · Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:38 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 34):

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 33):

I will quote a G3 cpt I met a few years ago, when I asked him about G3 whereabouts he said: "G3 was a greedy bus company who though it could buy planes and fly for the same prices! but in the beginning... there was man... and for a time... it was good".

SJOtoLIR · Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:36 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 35):
GOL needs to improve their international product as well as the longer domestic routes (such as MAO-GIG, MAO-GRU, BEL-GRU and BEL-GIG).

In my point of view from abroad, G3 follows the low-cost model and it may find troubles, in those flights spending more than four hours in the air.
G3 failed trying to attend successfully the four hours sector named GRU-LIM as non-stop.
Well, the [low-cost carrier] term is not well defined nowadays...

Regards.

2travel2know2 · Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:18 am

Having flown G3 several times for the last 10 years, IMHO it'll be wrong to call it a L.C.C. It's more like a full-coach airline with supposedly low operational costs.
For a non-Brazilian, the whole concept of its name: GOL Linhas Aéreas Inteligentes (Goal intelligent air-lines), its colours, uniforms and workers attitude bear some mystic, like I'd like to say almost all what is Brazilian.
Some WN, F9, U2, AK TR, or even CM experienced managers could teach G3 management and route planners one thing or two about how to fly and not lose money.

LipeGIG · Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:32 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 37):
In my point of view from abroad, G3 follows the low-cost model and it may find troubles, in those flights spending more than four hours in the air.
G3 failed trying to attend successfully the four hours sector named GRU-LIM as non-stop.
Well, the [low-cost carrier] term is not well defined nowadays...

Correct. and also failed in other routes such as LIM-SCL, GRU-SCL, GRU-BOG, just to name a few. It is clear to me they need something like PTVs , Wifi and even a business class.
G3 have a FF program, a very good one, but do not take full advantage of it. G3 have a large number of customers, but also do not take advantage of it. They need to be a bit premium, without losing the low cost portion: 55% LF in regional routes that includes at least the majority of seats to/from Buenos Aires, seems not correct.

SCL767 · Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:55 am

The second B-767-316ER for TAM Airlines transferred from LAN, PT-MSX (formerly CC-BDK):

http://cnfaovivo.blogspot.com/2013/0...tam-recebe-mais-um-boeing-767.html

The ninth B77W for TAM (PT-MUI) at KPAE:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6451.htm

AwysBSB · Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:21 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 38):
Having flown G3 several times for the last 10 years, IMHO it'll be wrong to call it a L.C.C. It's more like a full-coach airline with supposedly low operational costs.
For a non-Brazilian, the whole concept of its name: GOL Linhas Aéreas Inteligentes (Goal intelligent air-lines), its colours, uniforms and workers attitude bear some mystic, like I'd like to say almost all what is Brazilian.
Some WN, F9, U2, AK TR, or even CM experienced managers could teach G3 management and route planners one thing or two about how to fly and not lose money.

Nicely-put. Given that G3 does not have a LCC's network (its focus is on a high yield markets that are in rush hours of central airports), its brand became more associated with poor service than with low fare.
Since it would be quite hard for they make initiatives like the AD's and change focus to peripheral or new airports, it would be much easier they change their entire marketing or follow the O6's strategy, which is backed by a strong name and full services.

andrefranca · Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:43 pm

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 41):
it would be much easier they change their entire marketing or follow the O6's strategy, which is backed by a strong name and full services.

In other words, you're saying they should have renamed themselves to Varig when they bought them?

SCL767 · Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:32 pm

For the high season, TAM will operate the GRU-MCO route 2x daily with the A332s and the MAO-MIA route daily with the B763.

winGl3t · Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:23 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 43):

For the high season, TAM will operate the GRU-MCO route 2x daily with the A332s and the MAO-MIA route daily with the B763.

That's their regular network. For low season that the flights are being cancelled.

SCL767 · Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:42 am

Starting next month TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-SCL route:

JJ8026/LA5950 GRU 07:05 SCL 10:05 77W D
JJ8027/LA5951 SCL 12:50 GRU 17:25 77W D

JJ8020 GRU 08:30 SCL 11:30 A332 D
JJ8021 SCL 15:10 GRU 19:55 A332 D

JJ8072/LA6042 GRU 16:35 SCL 19:55 A320 D
JJ8073/LA6043 SCL 21:15 GRU 02:15+1 A320 D

JJ8028/LA6016 GRU 20:40 SCL 23:40 A320 D
JJ8029/LA6017 SCL 06:50 GRU 11:40 A320 D

TAM Paraguay continues to operate ASU-SCL 3x weekly:

PZ0708/LA5911 ASU 11:05 SCL 13:50 A320 1-3-5
PZ0709/LA5910 SCL 14:45 ASU 17:10 A320 1-3-5

Source: http://www.tam.com.br/

pierrelav · Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:31 pm

Why no Brazilian airlines, especially TAM, operate a single route from the Brazilian Northeast ( SSA/REC/FLZ) to Europe ?

2travel2know2 · Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:38 pm

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 46):
Why no Brazilian airlines, especially TAM, operate a single route from the Brazilian Northeast ( SSA/REC/FLZ) to Europe ?

Because TP flies between North East Brazil and LIS hub?
Now that JJ is OneWorld maybe LATAM could study some routes like SSA/REC-MAD/LON, being MAD and LON (LHR) OneWorld hubs.

incitatus · Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:41 pm

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 46):
Why no Brazilian airlines, especially TAM, operate a single route from the Brazilian Northeast ( SSA/REC/FLZ) to Europe ?

Because routes on smaller markets only work if they anchored by a hub at either side. For example, take TAP. Their FOR and BSB flights come into LIS before 7 am. Within a few hours they have connections to 30+ destinations in Europe like London, Turin, Malaga, Marseille, Valencia,. Toulouse, Venice, Dusseldorf, Nice, Frankfurt, Prague, Rome, Oslo, Bologna, Milan, Madrid, Paris, Moscow, Munich, Viena and others.

If TAM wants to serve Northeast-Europe with its current network it will flop. It would have to set up a hub and there is no infrastructure nor volume to do it in the NE. It may even be able to fill up something like FOR-MXP, but most of the airplane will be taken by tour groups and packages, which by themselves don't generate enough revenue to pay the bills.

SJOtoLIR · Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:05 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 48):
It would have to set up a hub and there is no infrastructure nor volume to do it in the NE

Air Europa still flies the MAD-SSA sector thrice a week with 332.
In my understanding, this route is sustained purely on the O&D market, where the dimension of the market doesn't allow more weekly flights for the time being.

Regards.

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