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WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:10 pm

Hello All:

Recently A/C 614 finished its Evolve mod, and is the first -300 to sport the new "Evolve" interior. Does anyone know of or have any pictures of the finished product on the 737-300?
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
Recently A/C 614 finished its Evolve mod, and is the first -300 to sport the new "Evolve" interior. Does anyone know of or have any pictures of the finished product on the 737-300?

Wouldn't it look just the same as the Evolve 73Gs, just with a bigger pile of gate check bags in the jetway?

By the way, these Evolve 733s are being listed as 73Cs. I saw one pop up in SMF last week when trying to get home earlier.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 1):
Wouldn't it look just the same as the Evolve 73Gs, just with a bigger pile of gate check bags in the jetway?

   Exactly!!!
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:30 am

Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
Recently A/C 614 finished its Evolve mod, and is the first -300 to sport the new "Evolve" interior.

Why would Southwest upgrade the interiors of an aircraft they are phasing out?
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:30 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 1):
Wouldn't it look just the same as the Evolve 73Gs, just with a bigger pile of gate check bags in the jetway?

I figured it would be interesting to see for my own curiosity. As a Ramp Agent for WN I know I am not looking forward to those gate checks  
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:39 am

The 300's, some of them are going to be around past 2018
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:39 am

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 3):

Why would Southwest upgrade the interiors of an aircraft they are phasing out?

The -300s that are getting the "Evolve" are the ones with winglets, these airplanes will probably be retired closer to 2020..
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:40 am

Isn't there a new door they can put on these old bins that has more of a concave shape? It seems like a quick fix. I guess it might be expensive with so many -300s.

Also, when I was an FA on those 300's 10 years ago, a pillow jammed under the bag would lift it up to the perfect angle to allow the bin to close. Too bad a lip couldn't be installed on the "leading edge" of the bin to allow roller boards to go in long ways.

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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:44 am

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 7):
Also, when I was an FA on those 300's 10 years ago, a pillow jammed under the bag would lift it up to the perfect angle to allow the bin to close. Too bad a lip couldn't be installed on the "leading edge" of the bin to allow roller boards to go in long ways.

And now there are no pillows to use!!
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:28 am

The 737-300 with winglets with the Elvolve upgrade from 137 seats to 143 seats will be a ops agent/ramp agents nightmare. Currently the 737-300 bins hold about 58 bags. But with 6 more passengers , most full 300's used on short flights there are bags checked due to no room. I can see 15-25 bags in the jetway. Unless the rumor that is going around limits carry on to ONE. Just think how much nicer it would be to board a flight with just ONE CARRY ON. Limiting passengers to one carry one would make them check more bags could this be the start of bag fees by SWA.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:36 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 9):
Limiting passengers to one carry one would make them check more bags could this be the start of bag fees by SWA.

Indirectly, and I kinda like the idea. Follow me here:
If WN limits you to ONE carry on, a person can still take their medications and other "critical necessities" aboard with them. And those of us who travel light will be just fine as well. However, the potential for an increase in checked luggage (which takes less time to load than ma and pa loading their living room in the overhead) could mean an incremental increase in the number of checked bags. Thus, SWA can still not charge for the first and second checked bag, yet still make more money, while speeding up the boarding process.

I'm all for it, particularly at a low-fare carrier, even a classy one like Southwest.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:42 am

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 7):
Isn't there a new door they can put on these old bins that has more of a concave shape? It seems like a quick fix. I guess it might be expensive with so many -300s.

Heath Tecna offers the ATIX series of bin extensions for the 737 Classic and 757-200, which allows rollaboards to be placed in wheels first. UA, AA, and US (only on the transatlantic and Hawaii aircraft on the latter) have the Heath Tecna ATIX-2 on their 752s, with UA also having them installed on the 735s. DL has the Heath Tecna ATIX-2A on the PMDL 752 fleet, which also adds a holding rail in addition to increasing bin capacity.

In addition, Heath Tecna also now offers the new Project Amber interior, which is an imitation of the Boeing Sky Interior for existing 737 and 757 aircraft (with the most obvious differences being the bin handles and PSUs).
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:05 am

It's never a real WN thread until SOMEONE brings up their opinion they should start charging for bags.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:05 am

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 9):
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):

Hey! We are quickly running out of room down below, too!

Yes, I'm exaggerating a bit but we have already seen a huge increase in the number of checked bags in the past 3-5 years. I'm increasingly seeing more flights that are stuffed completely full to where one more iPad case wouldn't even fit! lol
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:11 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):
The -300s that are getting the "Evolve" are the ones with winglets, these airplanes will probably be retired closer to 2020..

I'm glad to hear they'll be getting the evolve interior. I was on a 733 a couple of weeks ago, and it was in desperate need of an upgrade.
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:23 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
Why would Southwest upgrade the interiors of an aircraft they are phasing out?

It isn't just an upgrade for the sake of improving the condition of the cabin... it adds six seats. That would make the mods pay for themselves a lot sooner.
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:21 am

Quoting grain (Reply 5):
The 300's, some of them are going to be around past 2018
Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):
The -300s that are getting the "Evolve" are the ones with winglets, these airplanes will probably be retired closer to 2020..

It's depressing to hear the armor plated 733s will be around for another 7-8 years. Those planes should be leaving the fleet in droves, not staying around.

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 7):
Too bad a lip couldn't be installed on the "leading edge" of the bin to allow roller boards to go in long ways.

I flew a PMNW 752 with these lips and couldn't fit my bag IN to the bin. Bad idea.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
I'm glad to hear they'll be getting the evolve interior. I was on a 733 a couple of weeks ago, and it was in desperate need of an upgrade.

Are you under 5'2? If not, have you flown an Evolve 73G yet? To say they're uncomfortable is an understatement. Probably one of the worst seats I've sat in. It'd be fine if they didn't lower the seats, but lowering them AND removing an inch of legroom makes for a really terrible experience.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 16):
It's depressing to hear the armor plated 733s will be around for another 7-8 years.

From what I understand the -300 with winglets are sticking around because we are getting rid of the 717's. I am guessing if we kept the 717s the -300s might be leaving sooner..
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:16 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
Hey! We are quickly running out of room down below, too!

Good, lol! That's because people are flying your airline! Free bags may encourage that. As it should...

Quoting chrisair (Reply 16):
It's depressing to hear the armor plated 733s will be around for another 7-8 years. Those planes should be leaving the fleet in droves, not staying around

Oh, brother. It's the newer ones that WN is holding onto.
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But hey... why spend $20 on a skin patch, when Southwest could just go out and spend $70 million on a new plane.
 
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:16 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 16):
It's depressing to hear the armor plated 733s will be around for another 7-8 years. Those planes should be leaving the fleet in droves, not staying around.

70 of the 100 300's we are keeping are getting new skin. There will be little to no a/c with boiler plates in the coming years.
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:41 am

Just curious, do Southwest 733s still have non-digital Attitude Indicators, panels, etc.? I believe US Airways has/had the non-digital ones on their 733s, but I know UAL and Lufthansa (and others) had/have digital ones.

If not, why did LUV never do a mod, while others did? Not cost-effective? Are there plans to if they are to be around until 2020 along with Evolve?
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:33 am

They started upgrading the cockpits to make the 300s RNP capable, but suspended that a few years ago because so few routes were being flown with RNP. I am not sure how many of the ones they are keeping were upgraded before the program was shut down.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:52 pm

All of the classics have been upgraded to dual GPS and are authorized RNAV arrivals and departures - but no RNP/GPS approaches. The main reason is they all have - and will keep - the round dial instruments which means no moving map.

LADS (Large Area Displays) were slated to be installed in the classics we are keeping (those with winglets), but the financials eventually tipped the scales against them.
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:10 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 16):
Are you under 5'2? If not, have you flown an Evolve 73G yet? To say they're uncomfortable is an understatement. Probably one of the worst seats I've sat in. It'd be fine if they didn't lower the seats, but lowering them AND removing an inch of legroom makes for a really terrible experience.

Hi. Yes I have flown on one of the Evolve 73G's and I agree that the change in seat pitch is absolutely noticeable between it and a non-upgraded 73G. I actually find the Evolve seats to be more comfortable than the older seats, but the seat pitch is noticeably tighter. I also don't like the new seat back pocket design which is much tighter and doesn't easily fit a water bottle like the old seats did. However, I personally wouldn't classify my experience with the Evolve seat as "really terrible." Nevertheless , the 733 I was on had ratty seats, tired carpeting, and tray tables that were barely staying in place when locked. It absolutely needed an update.

All that said, I flew on one of WN's 738's for the first time this morning. I do wish they'd been able to keep their 73G's at 32-33 in pitch like the 738's, because it was certainly a more comfortable experience than the 73G. The sky interior was pretty interesting with the blue lighting, though the ceiling felt a bit lower than with the classic 737NG interior. But the bins definitely steal the show, the sky interior bins look absolutely huge compared to the bins on the 73G.
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:25 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 23):

You're not supposed to stow ANYTHING in the seat back pocket. It's for airline provided literature, not personal stowage. That's why in all of our PAs you'll hear us say "under the seat in front of you..or in the overhead bin."
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:31 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 24):
You're not supposed to stow ANYTHING in the seat back pocket.

Wrong. You're not supposed to stow LAPTOPS there. But you're welcome to stow magazines and whatnot there.
Anything stricter than that is just cabin crew going fascist. Which they're inclined to do, but not usually on WN.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:53 am

I am 6'2" and 250 and i fit fine in the new seats not to mention the '300's that are sticking around are all the later ones with low time/cycle frames and have alot more earning potential left in them so why not put more seats, the entire evolve program on the '700' fleet, as i understand, was equal to adding 22 aircraft to the fleet. Hence doing the '300's.
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:03 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 16):

I flew a PMNW 752 with these lips and couldn't fit my bag IN to the bin. Bad idea.

Then your bag must not have conformed to the carry-on sizing rules. I've flown the 75N's for years and as long as you have the right sized bag, it fits - the long way in as well. Even if it's crammed you can pull up on the upper bin panel and get more clearance.
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 25):

Ok well sure you can stow a magazine, but as a cabin crew who has worked directly with the Civil Aeromedical Institute in OKC on various cabin safety trainings, works as a part time instructor and was just audited in the classroom by the FAA where we covered this very topic I can assure you that a magazine is about all. There shouldn't be a water bottle, laptop, DVD player, iPad, soda can, purse, etc in the seatback pocket. They're designed to contain the material provided to you by the airline and to ensure it's within reach of your seat. Again, they were not designed, certified, or even intended for the stowage of personal items.
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:04 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 28):
Again, they were not designed, certified, or even intended for the stowage of personal items.

Good luck convincing any paying passenger of that notion.
Myself included, and I work for an airline!
Nothing personal. I just find it a laughable oddity, to suggest that we're not intended to put ANYTHING in the seatback pocket.
If that's the case, then why are seatback pockets SO LARGE in first class? Indeed, on UA's bizfirst, they've even been supplemented by bookshelves...
 
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:00 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 29):
Nothing personal. I just find it a laughable oddity, to suggest that we're not intended to put ANYTHING in the seatback pocket.

None of this is personal....

**perhaps I should've clarified as well... you may stow things in the seatback pocket but NOT for taxi/takeoff/landing**

Laugh all you want but laugh at the FAA and/or the seat manufacturers. When aircraft seats are certified (as they are in OKC) they are shot down a long track much like when cars are crash tested, and they come to a sudden stop to simulate G-forces in a crash. They are tested with only the required reading materials in the setback pockets, nothing else. A seatback pocket does not have the capability to "contain" most items of mass under the G-forces of a crash like an OHB or even the luggage restraint bar would be able to. There's nothing to keep an item inside of the pocket other than the flimsy springs that often break (as I'm sure you're aware). The FAA has stated that the safety margin, or what's acceptable must be within a 3lb limit.

As for why seatback pockets are so large, well they can be used during flight of course... so if you want to relocate your personal items for ease-of-use during cruise then sure, but for taxi/takeoff/landing they're not to contain much of anything with regard to a 3lb limit of weight.

DIRECTLY from the FAA:
"If small, lightweight items, such as eyeglasses or a cell phone, can be placed in the seat pocket without exceeding the total designed weight limitation of the seat pocket or so that the seat pocket does not block anyone from evacuating the row of seats, it may be safe to do so.
The requirements of the carry-on baggage regulation are applicable to take-off and landing. Nothing in the carry-on baggage regulation prohibits a passenger from taking out small personal items from an approved stowage location and placing them in the seat pocket after takeoff and stowing them in approved locations prior to landing. Crewmembers may still direct a passenger to stow carry-on items in an approved stowage location, during flight should they pose a hazard, such as in the case of turbulence."

Read more here:

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviat...all_infos/media/2009/InFO09018.pdf
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RE: WN B737-300 Evolve Pictures?

Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:46 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 29):
Good luck convincing any paying passenger of that notion.
Myself included, and I work for an airline!

You work for an airline, yet you aren't willing to follow the directions of the flight crew to remove items from the seat back pocket. Being that you are violating a FAR or 2, your travel benefits as well as your employment could be at risk. Is it really worth you thinking that you know the rules better than the crew members? Or how about a crew member come to your desk or workstation and tell you what's right/wrong and how to do your job. Smart.
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