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Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:13 pm

As Titian are in profit and recently flew all there staff for a short holiday to celibrate 25 years. Do you think there get any more widebody aircraft to add to the 767 they have already (would be nice)

Just like peoples thoughts as they are doing well
 
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Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:15 pm

What's the utilisation of the 767? IIRC it's fairly new to fleet and has been doing some work for BA.

Well done to Titan for performing well !

http://www.titan-airways.com/

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Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:33 pm

I don't think there will be anymore widebodies added to the fleet this year...

Titan is a very conservative airline, when it comes to growth they will only add aircraft when they can get them on the second hand market at the right price and also if they can see the demand for the aircraft they are ordering.

The airline is this year adding two A320's to the fleet, which is probably as far as any expansion is going this year for the airline.

While the airline says they have been profitable for the last 25 years and seems to be doing well, the airline has to find business for their aircraft to be operating. I would imagine for airlines with the business model of like Titan's it has a higher risk than other airline types.

For example the first A320 is currently flying for Jet2 this summer, but come mid-September the aircraft will be handed back to Titan and it is down to them to find another airline who want to use the A320 or a company to charter it from them. Unlike a scheduled airlines, Titan are not in the business of just starting up their own routes and selling tickets to get their aircraft in the air.
 
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Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:17 am

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 1):
IIRC it's fairly new to fleet and has been doing some work for BA.

The T4 763, G-POWD was wet leased by BA and operated out of LHR on European routes from 19 to 22 and from 26 to 29 March and again from 18 May to 3 June and 6 to 10 June 2010 to increase capacity during the BA cabin crew strikes.

It again operated for BA this time out of LGW on 13 and 14 July 2011 to cover for a shortage of serviceable 734s.when it operated to AGP, GLA and MAN.

On 9 and 10 January 2013 it was wet leased by BA for their LHR operations when their short-haul configured 763 G-BNWA went tech at CPH.

From 7 to 20 March this year it initially operated three rotations a day for BA between LHR and EDI and / or GLA and then from 16 March a single daily rotation to JFK.

It was back at LHR from 29 March to 7 April operating domestic flights for BA to EDI, GLA and this time MAN.

Most recently it operated a single rotation from LHR to EDI and two to GLA for BA on 13 April.

Currently it is operating out of BHX for BY.

I do not think that many of these operations excepting the JFK flights (BA175/12), a small number of the domestic flights and those flights when it replaced G-BNWA actually needed a wide-body. Indeed during its short stint for BA at LGW BA cancelled LGW-AGP BA2714 (scheduled departure 13:35) and transferred its passengers onto LGW-AGP BA2716 (scheduled 75 minutes later at 14:50) operated by the T4 763 to better utilise the capacity it offered.

If I am right I do not believe that we will see an expansion of the T4 wide-body fleet in the immediate future. Here it is also worth recognising that if an airline like BA is short of wide-body aircraft it can usually identify a scheduled wide-body flight where a leased-in narrow bodied aircraft such as one of T4's three 752s offers sufficient capacity. This would be a lower cost option than wet leasing a wide-body.

It is worth noting that the cabins of T4 752s can be quickly reconfigured and can carry up to 202 passengers:

http://www.titan-airways.com/fleet/b...7-200-standard-business-class.html

So why do T4 have a 763 in their fleet? I believe that they require it to operate their troop charter contract with the MoD for flights between BZZ (RAF Brize Norton) and AKT (RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus) and that it is available for wet lease between these flights.
 
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Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:24 am

Found this article online.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...-wet-lease-and-subcharter-markets/

It say that Titan are looking to grow in the wet lease and sub charter market. Sounds like any new additions to the fleet will likely be made up of aircraft from the A320 family.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/news/article/53676

[Edited 2013-06-03 02:27:39]
 
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Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
I believe that they require it to operate their troop charter contract with the MoD for flights between BZZ (RAF Brize Norton) and AKT (RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus) and that it is available for wet lease between these flights.

Not sure what the 767 is doing at the moment but Titan haven't operated the AKT for a good 4 months and the Falklands has been operated by Hifly for the past 6 months.
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:45 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 4):
It say that Titan are looking to grow in the wet lease and sub charter market. Sounds like any new additions to the fleet will likely be made up of aircraft from the A320 family.

Any idea who would be a candidate for a long-term ACMI contract? I had actually half thought that VX Little Red might be a potential but they are tied in with EI now.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
I do not think that many of these operations excepting the JFK flights (BA175/12), a small number of the domestic flights and those flights when it replaced G-BNWA actually needed a wide-body. Indeed during its short stint for BA at LGW BA cancelled LGW-AGP BA2714 (scheduled departure 13:35) and transferred its passengers onto LGW-AGP BA2716 (scheduled 75 minutes later at 14:50) operated by the T4 763 to better utilise the capacity it offered.

BA sends the 767 daily to EDI in an all Y configuration. I don't know about loads but I guess it is simpler to keep the same type / config on the route rather than downsize to an A320?

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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:56 pm

Quoting BMED (Reply 5):
Not sure what the 767 is doing at the moment but Titan haven't operated the AKT for a good 4 months

It has done 3 BZZ-NHD(Minhad)-AKT-BZZ rotations (1x week) in the past 3 weeks and has more to operate over the coming next few weeks.

[Edited 2013-06-03 08:57:52]
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting BMED (Reply 5):
Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
I believe that they require it to operate their troop charter contract with the MoD for flights between BZZ (RAF Brize Norton) and AKT (RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus) and that it is available for wet lease between these flights.

Not sure what the 767 is doing at the moment but Titan haven't operated the AKT for a good 4 months and the Falklands has been operated by Hifly for the past 6 months.

There won't be much future for regular charters for the MoD as more A330s (aka Voyagers) come online. AirTanker will have more A330s than they need for the core UK MoD programme (core RAF fleet = 9, total fleet = 14) and need to find work for the extra aircraft. To avoid reconfiguring to true civilian ops/configuration, they will bid aggressively for any (not just UK) MoD work that comes up. They are also already talking about offering refueling services to non-UK MoDs.
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:22 pm

Quoting gazzadon (Thread starter):
As Titian are in profit

just a thought, how many airlines worldwide and claim that???
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:55 pm

Surely with Airlines like TOM and BA all about to take delivery of new 787's there will be a fair few used 767's hitting the market?

Would Titan not maybe go after some of these frames?
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:05 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 6):

Mostly full 259..I've had to take a jump seat both F/D and Cabin on two or three ocassions.It also carries a pallet or two of cargo in the front hold and some mail and medical supplies up hold 5 on certain days.

Back in the late 90s, early 00s it was up to 4 rotations a day through EDI and full, never any cargo though.?
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting davies2911 (Reply 10):
Surely with Airlines like TOM and BA all about to take delivery of new 787's there will be a fair few used 767's hitting the market?

EI seem to be giving them quite a bit of work over the last few months! Is this likely to continue.......?
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:23 pm

Quoting dergay (Reply 12):
EI seem to be giving them quite a bit of work over the last few months! Is this likely to continue.......?

EI wet leased Titan B733 G-POWC to operate an Edinburgh rotation on the wet lease Virgin Atlantic Little Red operation today.
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:45 pm

Quoting Auchmithie (Reply 13):
EI wet leased Titan B733 G-POWC to operate an Edinburgh rotation on the wet lease Virgin Atlantic Little Red operation today.

Not the only Titan in LHR today, BA have been using 757 G-POWH on the Shuttle routes for the last week or so.
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:26 pm

The 763 operates a weekly BZZ-NHD-AKT-BZZ rotation as mentioned earlier in this thread on behalf of the MoD. It's available for other ACMI flights during the rest of the week.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 2):
I would imagine for airlines with the business model of like Titan's it has a higher risk than other airline types.

Don't think so, they have some quite lucrative Royal Mail and MoD contracts.
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:29 pm

Quoting Auchmithie (Reply 13):
EI wet leased Titan B733 G-POWC to operate an Edinburgh rotation on the wet lease Virgin Atlantic Little Red operation today.
Quoting GCT64 (Reply 14):
Not the only Titan in LHR today, BA have been using 757 G-POWH on the Shuttle routes

So, today, BA and VS were the same  
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:44 pm

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 15):
The 763 operates a weekly BZZ-NHD-AKT-BZZ rotation as mentioned earlier in this thread on behalf of the MoD. It's available for other ACMI flights during the rest of the week.

What days has this been going as I crew out of BZZ and not seen this aircraft for quite a while as we have been operating the flights?
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:23 am

I think the A320's are making a great addition to the Titan fleet, not only that, as their B733's are not getting any younger and the A320 offers capacity growth but also the A320 family offers sister ships like the A319 as a direct replacement for the B733 but with pilot commonality of the A320.

I can see the B757's staying they are versatile aircraft perfect for the ad-hoc and charter work that Titan go with.

As for more wide-bodied aircraft, if they can keep there B767 profitable without the MOD work then maybe they could open up a market for an additional frame if one was to become available.
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:19 am

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 6):
BA sends the 767 daily to EDI in an all Y configuration.

It also schedules a 763 to EDI (but not MAN). However when BA leases the Titan 763 it often focuses on these three routes which is why I originally said that it only required a 763 for "a small number of domestic flights". To illustrate this point this is an actual and not untypical BA flying programme for G-POWD:

28 Mar 13: LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/89). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1492/97).
29 Mar 13: LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/89). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1492/97).
30 Mar 13: LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/89). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1492/97).
31 Mar 13: LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/89).
01 Apr 13: LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/9). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1486/93).
02 Apr 13: LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/89). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1486/93).
03 Apr 13: LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/89).
04 Apr 13: LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1484/89). LHR-GLA-LHR (BA1486/93).
05 Apr 13: LHR-MAN-LHR (BA1386/91). LHR-MAN-LHR (BA1394/99). LHR-MAN-LHR (BA1402/07).

I guess that because BA schedules a 763 on the GLA and EDI routes that it needs to lease in an equivalent aircraft to operate those flights and then uses it for another couple of domestic rotations not normally flown by a 763.
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting BMED (Reply 17):
What days has this been going as I crew out of BZZ and not seen this aircraft for quite a while as we have been operating the flights?

In most cases (times can vary):
Thursday 23.15-00.00: STN-BZZ (positioning flight)
Friday 04.00-14.00: BZZ-NHD
Saturday 05.00-08.15: NHD-AKT
Saturday 10.45-13.45: AKT-BZZ
Saturday 14.45-15.30: BZZ-STN (positioning flight)
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:54 pm

Ahh, just looking at those times I'm either already down route or not reporting in at BZZ.
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting BMED (Reply 17):
What days has this been going as I crew out of BZZ and not seen this aircraft for quite a while as we have been operating the flights?

In most cases (times may vary):
Thu: 2315-00.00 STN-BZZ (positioning flight)
Fri: 04.00-14.00 BZZ-NHD
Sat: 05.00-08.15 NHD-AKT
Sat: 10.45-13.45 AKT-BZZ
Sat: 14.45-15.30 BZZ-STN (positioning flight)
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:20 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 6):
Quoting GSTBA (Reply 4):
It say that Titan are looking to grow in the wet lease and sub charter market. Sounds like any new additions to the fleet will likely be made up of aircraft from the A320 family.

Any idea who would be a candidate for a long-term ACMI contract? I had actually half thought that VX Little Red might be a potential but they are tied in with EI now.

There is a A320 and a 757 currently on long term lease to LS. A320 (G-POWI), has been based at NCL since 8th May and will continue to operate for LS until at least October. 757 (G-ZAPX), has been based at MAN since late March and will continue to operate with LS until at least October. I have however recently heard that this might have been extended to late march 2014.

Possible future mid to long term ACMI contracts could come from Thomas Cook or Thomson in the UK. For the past few years both airlines leased aircraft over the summer season. Thomas Cook this year has leased 2 A320's (YL-LCH and YL-LCL) from smartlynx for this summer.
 
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RE: Titan Airways To Order More Widebodies?

Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:24 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 6):
Quoting GSTBA (Reply 4):
It say that Titan are looking to grow in the wet lease and sub charter market. Sounds like any new additions to the fleet will likely be made up of aircraft from the A320 family.

Any idea who would be a candidate for a long-term ACMI contract? I had actually half thought that VX Little Red might be a potential but they are tied in with EI now.

There is a A320 and a 757 currently on long term lease to LS. A320 (G-POWI), has been based at NCL since 8th May and will continue to operate for LS until at least October. 757 (G-ZAPX), has been based at MAN since late March and will continue to operate with LS until at least October. I have however recently heard that this might have been extended to late march 2014.

Possible future mid to long term ACMI contracts could come from Thomas Cook or Thomson in the UK. For the past few years both airlines leased aircraft over the summer season. Thomas Cook this year has leased 2 A320's (YL-LCH and YL-LCL) from smartlynx for this summer.

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