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keta
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Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:30 pm

In the last few times that I was in the airport (mainly in FRA) I was surprised by the amount of A320 family aircraft already equipped with sharklets. And not only LH, IIRC other airlines had sharklets on their A320s. Given that the first frames were equipped just a few months ago, I was expecting a slower introduction.

So, the question is about how is the introduction going. Are many carriers retrofitting their airplanes? At what pace? Are all new A320s being built with sharklets? Do you have numbers on how many A320 are there already with sharklets?
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:48 pm

Latest figure from Airbus is that 62 aircraft have been delivered with sharklets. All A320s are being built with reinforced wings as standard, enabling sharklet fit if requested. Not all A320s are being equipped with sharklets off the line.

JetBlue has started a retrofit programme but initial aircraft involved are those with the reinforced wing. No retrofit scheme for unmodified wing, yet.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:00 pm

There's 3 kinds of wing additions that I have observed over time. Winglets, Sharlets, Raked, and Blended Wings.

Winglets (my fav): B744, A330/340
Sharklets: A380, A318, 319, 320, 321, the new 737 MAX
Blended (my least fav; aesthetic wise): B757, 767, 737
Raked: 777, 787, 748

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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:16 pm

Quoting kamboi (Reply 2):
Sharklets: A380, A318, 319, 320, 321, the new 737 MAX

Here's your requested correction. It's Wing Tip Fences on the Airbus models you reference. The Sharklet is the new blended winglet being fitted to the 320 series.

The 737MAX has a blended winglet as well, with an added downward strake.

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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:21 pm

Quoting kamboi (Reply 2):

I know it to be a bit different

What your thinking of as Sharklets are really wingtip fences. Sharklets are essentially Airbus version of the Blended Winglet found on Boeing aircraft.

The Max's have IIRC Scimitar Winglets (Blended Winglets 2.0)
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:21 pm

Quoting kamboi (Reply 2):

Add the B764 to the raked list.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting keta (Thread starter):
So, the question is about how is the introduction going.

I believe 1/3 of all A320s coming of the assembly line are equipped with sharklets. Even the plant in China is already producing A320s with sharklets. In 2014, all A320s will be delivered with sharklets.

The A319 with CFM engines has been certified recently and the A321 will follow this summer.

So yes, the introduction is going very smoothly.

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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting kamboi (Reply 2):
There's 3 kinds of wing additions that I have observed over time. Winglets, Sharlets, Raked, and Blended Wings.

Wouldn't that be 4 kinds of wing additions/
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:43 pm

Thanks for the info. More than 60 aircraft, no wonder why I saw already some of them! With the production rate of the A320, seems like a reasonable number.
I hope to see more and more A320 with sharklets, they look great!

I was expecting more retrofits, though. Is JetBlue the only one which is doing it?

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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:33 am

There are more and more aircraft being sent to the FAL without wing tips so the new sharklet can be fitted before delivery.

The reason that not all aircraft are being fitted with them could be due to the lead time required to produce enough sharklets for every aircraft at the FAL's.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:41 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
The A319 with CFM engines has been certified recently

Will MSN 5678 for AA be the first delivery?
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:46 am

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 10):
Will MSN 5678 for AA be the first delivery?

I believe it will because MSN 5327 (the test frame) will need some refurbishment before it can be delivered to AA.
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:12 pm

I was flying KUL-SIN late saturday night, and upon arrival into SIN i taxied past 3 a320s parked on remote stands.. 2 had wing fences and i was surprised to see one already had sharklets.. i cant remember for sure if it was Air Asia or Tiger, but i believe it was Air Asia, can anyone shed some light on the possibility of this being correct?
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:32 pm

Are the Sharklets an Aviation Partners product? They sure do look a lot like the blended winglets on 737NGs, 757s and 767s.

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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:19 am

Quoting khpn (Reply 12):

It would most likely be AirAsia as I don't think that Tiger have any A320's with Sharklets.
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:38 am

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 13):

No, it is Airbus' own design. IIRC API did a prototype for the A320 years ago but it did not perform well enough to justify the costs.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:53 am

According to the photo data base here there are already four Lufthansa A320 equipped with Sharklets. Air Berlin has one A320 with Sharklets which flies for Niki so that is at least 5 A320 Sharklets flying in Germany
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:28 am

Quoting khpn (Reply 12):
Quoting tomkell92 (Reply 14):
It would most likely be AirAsia as I don't think that Tiger have any A320's with Sharklets.

Correct. TR don't have any sharklet equipped aircraft. AK was the first to receive the sharklets.  
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:14 am

thanks for the info, i was flying AK and thats what i thought, i just didnt want to assert anything in the off chance i was wrong.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:01 am

I might be wrong, but I think we might see EasyJet A320's with sharklets soon too.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:03 am

Quoting keta (Thread starter):
Given that the first frames were equipped just a few months ago, I was expecting a slower introduction.

LAN Airlines already has four A320s equipped with sharklets flying in Chile and TAM Airlines has two A320s equipped with sharklets. Between 2013 and 2017, LATAM Airlines will receive more than 100 A320 family a/c equipped with sharklets.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:10 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 7):
Wouldn't that be 4 kinds of wing additions/

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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:41 am

Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 19):
I might be wrong, but I think we might see EasyJet A320's with sharklets soon too.

Yes, G-EZWM is the first, due for delivery in September.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:11 pm

Quoting speedbird128 (Reply 21):
Those puppies on the A350 deserve their own category  

I agree. Aesthetically they are in a class of their own.  
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:51 pm

Saw an A320 with sharklets for the first time up close & personal at DUB this evening, was a nice sight.
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:58 pm

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 13):
Are the Sharklets an Aviation Partners product? They sure do look a lot like the blended winglets on 737NGs, 757s and 767s.
Quoting Raventech (Reply 15):
No, it is Airbus' own design. IIRC API did a prototype for the A320 years ago but it did not perform well enough to justify the costs.

There is a patent battle going on between the two.
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:50 pm

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 22):

easyJet investors site shows first sharklets delivery due August, is G-EZWL not the first to receive them?

http://corporate.easyjet.com/media/l...2013/18-03-2013-en.aspx?sc_lang=en
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:38 am

No, it is definately G-EZWM to be the first. I saw G-EZWL go to the FAL with standard wingtip fences.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:28 pm

Does anyone know from which CN or date the A32x family were manufactured with the strengthen wingtips for easier and cheaper retrofitting.
I believe older A32x can be retrofitted with SLs but wings will need strengthening.
 
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:31 pm

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 28):
Does anyone know from which CN or date the A32x family were manufactured with the strengthen wingtips for easier and cheaper retrofitting

The first A320 that I find with the sharklets, which was used for certifying and is now being prepared for delivery to Indonesia AirAsia, is CN 5098.

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The next one fitted with sharklets before delivery, also used in certification testing, was CN 5182, for Qatar Airways.

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JetBlue has stated that their last six delivered will be retrofitted with sharklets this year. The oldest of those is CN 5142.

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Therefore, it would be my presumption that any aircraft after CN 5098 would have the strengthening incorporated. Whether it came on any built prior to that one, I do not know.
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:40 pm

Sharklet is a stupid name. They are just winglets. Why should a winglet have a different name just because it is on a different brand of airplane?
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RE: Status Of A320 Sharklets

Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 30):
Why should a winglet have a different name just because it is on a different brand of airplane?

It mostly has to do with marketing I guess. And then there are several patents both OEM's hold on designs like these, making them just slightly different from each other.

And different names? We have astronauts, cosmonauts and taikonauts. But they are all travellers to and from space, sometimes even on the same vessels and/or in the same Space Station.  

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