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Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:47 pm

Good evening folks!

I was caught napping last time, so I thought I would start the next thread just a little before we got to the 200 mark.

It's been an interesting few weeks, with some interesting developments:

- Healthy passenger numbers for Irish airports, particularly on transatlantic routes
- New transatlantic routes, including American's DUB-JFK and United's SNN-ORD, in operation
- Interesting traffic for G-8 Summit, including CAF A310 and Russian AF IL-76
- First Aer Arann ATR72-600
- Cityjet sold
- Aer Lingus makes payment into pension fund (much to MOL's disapproval)
- Ryanair loses major cases in France on employment law, and looks likely to be ordered by UK Competition Authority to sell its Aer Lingus shareholding
- A350 makes its first flight; two years to EIS with EIN!
- Major refit planned for T1 at Dublin

Tomorrow, of course, sees the opening of the Paris air show; no major orders expected from Irish airlines, but hopefully some good and lucrative deals in the offing for Irish suppliers, and perhaps some new aircraft ordered which will one day grace our airports.

Here's to some interesting weeks ahead - and don't forget, if you're planning to make a submission to the Dept of Transport in relation to aviation policy, the deadline is the 30th June.
 
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
I was caught napping last time, so I thought I would start the next thread just a little before we got to the 200 mark.

Welcome back  
Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- Cityjet sold

Certainly interesting times for them and the 280 Irish based staff.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- A350 makes its first flight; two years to EIS with EIN!

Very much looking forward to this and any new product that will come along with it. A new J class cabin will be interesting to see. The time will go by so fast and in no time we will be talking about the first flights.

An article re : Cork - USA flights

US flights from Cork face ‘barriers’

Efforts are being made to secure a transatlantic carrier to operate a route from Cork, but there are significant barriers, according to the chairman of the Dublin Airport Authority, Pádraig Ó Ríordáin.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...rom-cork-face-barriers-234132.html

I would be very surprised if they manage to launch anything more than a seasonal service and if they do it will be tough.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:12 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
US flights from Cork face %u2018barriers%u2019

I guess that with SNN no longer part of the DAA they are no longer worried about luring potential transatlantic passengers away from SNN and having to fork up the balance from their own coffers. Still very hard to imagine anyone willing to fragment the market even further.
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
US flights from Cork face ‘barriers’

Im not sure about the payload restrictions etc. but I think someone needs to give ORK a go as it may do well (or may fail miserably).

I could see DL to JFK, UA to EWR or possibly US to PHL all on a 752.

My opinion would be that there's only space for one US flight from ORK.
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 3):
My opinion would be that there's only space for one US flight from ORK.

Oh indeed there certainly wouldnt be room for anymore than one. Would be good to see it but I think it would only survive in Summer. Winter would be near impossible.

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More legal proceedings for EI . Will it ever end !

Commercial Court to hear Aer Lingus challenge

A High Court challenge by Aer Lingus against a ruling by the Irish Takeover Panel is to be heard by the fast track Commercial Court.

The action arises out of Ryanair's failed bid to win control of Aer Lingus.

Ryanair's third bid for its rival was formally tabled in late July 2012.

It was blocked by the EU Commission last February.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0617/457...9-aer-lingus-irish-takeover-panel/
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:36 pm

BFS facebook page smothered with footage of the inbound G8 jets.

https://www.facebook.com/belfastairport?hc_location=stream

I noticed the Canadian Airbus captured and thought was it stopping in DUB for unrelated business?

Russian governments Ilyushin has to be my favourite sight.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 5):
I noticed the Canadian Airbus captured and thought was it stopping in DUB for unrelated business?

Yes he was meeting that world leader Mr Kenny    
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:03 pm

Quoting Jambost (Reply 5):
I noticed the Canadian Airbus captured and thought was it stopping in DUB for unrelated business?

The Canadian PM was in Dublin over the weekend. Looks like he flew to Belfast from Dublin. Likewise, the First Lady and her daughters made their way from Belfast to Dublin in a 757! Aircoach would have beed a tad more economical  
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:25 pm

No surprises that CityJet is doing badly... trying to book Dublin to London City, and after entering my name, it says my session has timed out. These kinds of things irritate me...  
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:07 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Quoting gosimeon (Reply 7):

Thanks, between a & b I wonder which was more economical on the short hop     

Never imagined an A340 & il 96 would be captured in the same shot at BFS!

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Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:30 pm

Drove past DUB tonight around 9pm, plenty of Gardai present around the perimeter. The road parallel to the RWY 10 taxiway seemed to be open for local access only.
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:11 am

Some more ravings from the man himself  

O'Leary lambasts Aer Lingus as shareholders back Boeing deal
'I'm not obsessed' with a 'pensions deficit with wings' as Ryanair chief defends strategy

"Again Aer Lingus demonstrate their unmatched ability to destroy shareholder value," he said, adding that Aer Lingus shareholders must be "very upset" to hear that the airline had spent €40m defending Ryanair's original bid of €2.80 a share, when its share price now stood at around half that.

The airline boss was speaking at an extraordinary general meeting (EGM) held to gain approval for Ryanair's purchase of 175 Boeing aircraft.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ers-back-boeing-deal-29355400.html

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The pension issue seems to be destined for more trouble at the mill and looks like it will drag on for a very long time.

Trustees of Aer Lingus-DAA pension scheme seek more funding for deferred members

Officials indicate that they could make an application to the High Court
The trustees of the joint pension scheme operated by Aer Lingus and the Dublin Airport Authority are believed to have told the companies that the €200 million they are offering to help plug the deficit in the scheme is not enough.


The trustees of the joint pension scheme operated by Aer Lingus and the Dublin Airport Authority are believed to have told the companies that the €200 million they are offering to help plug the deficit in the scheme is not enough.

It is understood that the trustees are seeking additional payments for deferred members of the pension fund, which has a deficit of €780 million. These are staff who have left the companies but are yet to draw down their pensions.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ing-for-deferred-members-1.1434018

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Good to see the T1 car park getting a refurb. I wonder if the rates will rise after this.

Dublin Airport to close T1 car park for upgrade

Dublin Airport is to refurbish its Terminal 1 car park in a move that is expected to add some 20 minutes to the amount of time it currently takes users of the short-term car park to get from car to terminal building.
It is closing its short-term Block A car park during July and August, with blocks B and C closing on a rolling basis over the next six months.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...-t1-car-park-for-upgrade-1.1434131
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:58 pm

Delta's extra 3W JFK-DUB-JFK DL199/DL198 started this week ontop of their existing daily JFK-DUB service and daily Atlanta-Dublin.
These extra 3 weekly JFK rotations have a 07:25 arrival and 14:15 departure @ DUB on B767.
So - we have 6 flights from NYC-DUB with 2 EI, 1 UA, 1 AA, 2 DL service on certain days this summer!
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:47 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
Good to see the T1 car park getting a refurb. I wonder if the rates will rise after this.

Is it not only fractionally cheaper, and only when booked in advance at that?
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:51 am

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...el-misery-for-150000-29358883.html

Pilots to strike over pay.

That's not going to go down terribly well!

Seems a bit irresponsible (not to say insensitive) at a time when so many people are in financial difficulties.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:23 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 14):

No, they're not going to strike over pay.
They have voted to give the required legal mandate for industrial action, up to and including the withdrawl of labour, in the event of management refusal to negotiate.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:45 am

Unions are annoying the hell out of me recently, there are so many people out of work and would love to work, then these guys go on strike. Stop being so selfish, pay has to be reduced or the company will run into difficulty. Everyone has had a pay reduction, so get over it.
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:11 am

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 16):
Everyone has had a pay reduction, so get over it.

EI flight crew took a 12% pay reduction 2 years ago along with a 3 years pay freeze...which was on top of a 2 year pay freeze.

I agree that ppl all over need to sacrifice.....but EI after Greenfield is currently quite profitable (on a per plane basis) Yet the EI mgmt are pushing their staff again in order to make their own bonus targets. The pilots are not demanding a pay increase, they are asking for what was agreed between themselves and the company in order to get the company back on its feet and in the black. Would you be happy that your employer has reneged on the last 3 deals they made with you? What happened to good faith and positive working environment?

They have held up their side of the deal and not they must roll over to allow the CEO to get another bonus package worth 110% of his salary? ( not to forget the COO and CFO) One side have reneged on a deal and they are responsible for this threat.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:04 pm

so they want to cause trouble for passengers just to get their way? Yea really good thing to do. Great way to give the company a bad name, and give the EU an excuse if Ryanair make a 4th attempt to take over Aer Lingus a reason to allow it.
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:26 pm

I'm with you in thinking that strike notice/axtion is not a good option for company health and/or resolution of the issue. However I feel that their grievance is warranted.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:32 pm

Their frustration is understandable to a degree, Aer Lingus management haven't held up their side of the bargain after Greenfield but they've been happy to accept massive bonuses themselves for completing it. That must seem like a slap in the face for pilots and all the staff at the airline.

So while I can see where the pilots are coming from, it's disappointing and yet predictable that they've gone for industrial action as a "contingency measure" which is a slap in the face to passengers! Wasn't it recently revealed that Aer Lingus still had one of the highest paid staff in Europe? I'm not sure if that included certain levels of management but you can bet that will change, an airline can't sit around for long and think everything is fine just because it's made a profit for a few years...it could all change tomorrow.

So yeah, it's unfair that management are taking big bonuses while staff are left out in the cold but tell us something we don't know!
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:32 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 13):
Is it not only fractionally cheaper, and only when booked in advance at that?

Well I mean after all the refurb I wonder will the basic rates go up to pay for the refurbs.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 14):
Pilots to strike over pay.

This is normal when there is a dispute. They want to show the company that they have a full backing from their members for industrial action up to and including all out strikes. Its a bargaining chip at the table .

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 18):
so they want to cause trouble for passengers just to get their way? Yea really good thing to do. Great way to give the company a bad name, and give the EU an excuse if Ryanair make a 4th attempt to take over Aer Lingus a reason to allow it.

I dont think that they want to deliberately cause disruption to passengers but of course thats the outcome. I think we have become so fed up here in Ireland of these things because as an Island nation the only way out is by air unless you take a long ferry ride. So we are all at the mercy of these strikers when things are in dispute.

I do hold the view that Airlines and ATC are a vital service these days and it should be illegal to strike in this industry similar to the Army. There should however be more powers for an independant body where these types of issues are dealt with on a fair basis and powers to decide and enforce when it goes against the Airlines.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:50 pm

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 16):

Unionism is a dirty word but only because as is clear here the vast majority of the public never hear the real reason for action. In this case I believe the pilots union are right to challenge the company however it is failing to be reported too accurately. It was the same with the BA dispute, the media made it out to be about pay and crewing levels, crew where practically hung in the streets as nasty greedy selfish individuals and a campaign of hate which still exists to this day (and jumped on by many airliners.net folk) was instigated but at the end of it all they came out of it with the guarantees of employment and contract they deserved and the myth that the company was in financial difficulty was exposed as nothing more than a wobble!

The sad fact of the matter is that well run and financially sound companies including Aer Lingus are allowing the excuse of the recession to maintain cuts and renege on agreements with employees!

[Edited 2013-06-20 06:53:13]
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:53 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
Well I mean after all the refurb I wonder will the basic rates go up to pay for the refurbs.

All they could really do is match the T2 rates.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 pm

An interesting event at Dublin Airport . The JFK flame arrived on EI - EDY .

How do you carry a flame on a plane?

Here’s a question: how do you carry a flame (even an eternal one) on a scheduled transatlantic flight?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/how-d...carry-a-flame-on-a-plane-1.1436976


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Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:39 am

State to become a “more active” shareholder in Aer Lingus

Quote:
]Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar intends to become a more active shareholder in Aer Lingus now that the Government has decided against selling its 25 per cent in the airline.

“The Minister wants the Government to pursue a more active shareholder role, including securing new routes which will benefit trade and tourism and the payment of an annual dividend,” said a spokesman for the Minister.

New routes to help the economy? So long as they don't start pushing for things like SNN-DUB to return!

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...-stake-is-not-being-sold-1.1437439

Also states, "Aer Lingus is also expected to confirm routes from Dublin to San Francisco on the US west coast and Toronto in Canada." but doesn't go into detail, has the Irish Times just read the online rumours?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
An interesting event at Dublin Airport . The JFK flame arrived on EI - EDY .

Wined and dined in Business Class, how nice for it!
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:57 pm

The news gets worse for Flybe .

Struggling Flybe reports £40.7m loss

Struggling British carrier Flybe Group Plc has reported a bigger full-year loss, after a turbulent year of battling soaring fuel costs, falling passenger counts and higher airport charges, particularly in London.
The airline reported a pretax loss of £40.7 million in the year ended 31 March compared to a loss of £6.2 million a year earlier.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013...0621/457914-flybe-airline-results/

I can see them cutting alot more than BHD-LGW at this rate. The SOU route from DUB and BHD could be at risk.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):

Surely EXT-DUB would be cut before SOU-DUB?
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 25):
State to become a “more active” shareholder in Aer Lingus

I don't think this is a good idea at all, EI is far better off having distance between it and politics. What you will end up having now is a return to the days where vested interests turn to the government every time they are not happy with an EI decision.
EI can call on state resources anytime it wants to help secure a new venture abroad so i don't see a need for this statement, perhaps this is just Mr self PR machine Leo V hoping to get some profile for himself for "helping" EI return to the West coast.

Next we will be hearing all the old reliables "calling on the minister to intervene" in their various gripes with EI, just like the old days.

[Edited 2013-06-21 08:34:30]
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:49 pm

BE's routes from DUB are safe its UK domestics that will sooner or lather see major cuts. APD is killing them.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
can see them cutting alot more than BHD-LGW at this rate. The SOU route from DUB and BHD could be at risk.
Quoting eicvd (Reply 27):
Surely EXT-DUB would be cut before SOU-DUB?

SOU and EXT - DUB were generally good performers - EXT more in terms of yields than loads though, while it's opposite with SOU.

BHD may be in a different situation because of APD - i'd suggest it's the UK domestic network that is actually Flybe's issue.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:00 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 27):
Surely EXT-DUB would be cut before SOU-DUB?

Not really because of ::

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 30):
EXT more in terms of yields than loads though, while it's opposite with SOU.

Which is what matters at the end of the day .

No routes from DUB or BHD are safe. If the wider BE operation doesn't get its act together they will either be shrunk and taken over by EZY/BA or shut down all together. For a small company the losses have gone out of control.

Even Olympic Air using a mostly prop fleet and two Airbus in an extremely difficult operating environment managed to get its losses down to just over EUR8 Million in results released a few weeks back. An increase of STG£34 Million losses for Flybe is really scary.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:13 pm

Let's not forget Flybe also flies BHX-WAT (WAT's sole route), GLA-SNN, EDI-NOC, MAN-NOC, GLA-CFN* and CFN-DUB*. So any negative developments in terms of their Irish routes might have a wider effect than just DUB/BHD.

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Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 32):
(WAT's sole route)

WAT-MAN has restarted - by BE also.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:10 pm

Speaking of WAT, we're still waiting for a London route to return. BE was alway going to be a long shot but I think they can definitely ruled out now. Not sure who could really give it a go with a good schedule unless EIR decide to return.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:30 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 34):
Speaking of WAT, we're still waiting for a London route to return. BE was alway going to be a long shot but I think they can definitely ruled out now. Not sure who could really give it a go with a good schedule unless EIR decide to return.

Im sure FR could support a flight to STN or LTN?

They have 3 daily at times from KIR to London!
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 35):
Im sure FR could support a flight to STN or LTN?

They have 3 daily at times from KIR to London!

A 4700ft runway would probably pose a problem for a 737-800... Although longer than Santos Dumont in Rio - which sees plenty B737 ops, I doubt Ryanair would invest into special operating procedures for what is quite a low yielding low volume market.
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:37 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 34):

All in good time but 100% not Flybe.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:39 pm

The reason why FR pulled out of WAT all those years back was because of its fleet. Getting a 737-800 into WAT would be something id pay to see but not pay to be a part of  

BE are ending BHD-LGW because they are pulling out of LGW and selling all their slots. So all LGW routes are being dropped.

EIR could possibly do WAT again , only if operated by DUB crew & A/C on a W pattern - DUB-SEN-WAT-SEN-DUB which is what they should have done after the base closed in my opinion but obviously fleeting is an issue there at the minute with the Danish Air Transport 72 in flying for them.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:41 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 34):
Speaking of WAT, we're still waiting for a London route to return. BE was alway going to be a long shot but I think they can definitely ruled out now. Not sure who could really give it a go with a good schedule unless EIR decide to return.

WAT - SEN would work well.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:06 pm

When its announced it will be Luton.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 39):
WAT - SEN would work well.

It operated briefly until Aer Lingus Regional pulled out of WAT, apparently loads were dire on the SEN route. LTN seemed to work and it was nice to see WAT on the Aer Lingus route map!

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 40):
When its announced it will be Luton.

  
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:27 am

Regarding the 738 at WAT, the PCN would be an issue too for both the runway and stand. You'd be overloading the pavement even at the operating empty weight given what is declared on the AIP. I'd imagine they'd have to invest in upgrading infrastructure otherwise face a hefty regular maintenance bill. So regardless of runway length, the idea is a non starter.
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:19 am

If the runway & apron at WAT could take a FR 738 the terminal would need a lot of work done too, I remember being there during the BA Express J-41 & Euroceltic F-27 days the terminal being quite packed for those flights!
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:02 pm

What's the logic of WAT-BHX flights if ORK and DUB are so nearby?
 
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:42 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 43):
BA Express J-41 & Euroceltic F-27

Wow - euroceltic - bringing back memories...

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 30):
BHD may be in a different situation because of APD

What is the APD for a return UK domestic flight?

Quoting tonystan (Reply 22):
well run and financially sound companies including Aer Lingus are allowing the excuse of the recession to maintain cuts and renege on agreements with employees!

When I worked in Ireland, I left Siptu in the late 90's because of the unions falling over themselves to brown nose management. It still goes on. Why pay a union due when the union 'management' as bad as company management. These were the days before Union heads being on the board of the central bank. Front line staff often get more service from union representation than office staff.

It is it sad that weeks after EI shareholders have propped up the pension plan, it is straight back to normal in the ongoing saga of strike threats at Shamrock. And we complain about Air France.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 31):
No routes from DUB or BHD are safe. If the wider BE operation doesn't get its act together they will either be shrunk and taken over by EZY/BA or shut down all together. For a small company the losses have gone out of control.

Flybe have operated from Dublin for over thirty years- starting as spacegrand from Blackpool. Their EXT Shorts 360 service used to continue to Jersey and Guernsey. It would be a huge shame for another airline to dissapear from Irish Skies.



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If they do drop Ireland, I can only assume that Aer Arann will take up the slack with services to SOU and EXT.
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:43 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 44):

Waterford has a metro population of about 70,000 and you're looking at nearly two hours of a drive to both ORK and DUB. It's much more convenient to use the airport on your doorstep and obviously BE have identified this market for WAT-MAN and WAT-BHX flights.

I could ask what the logic for proposed transatlantic flights from ORK is when SNN is so nearby...   
 
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:00 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 44):
What's the logic of WAT-BHX flights if ORK and DUB are so nearby?

If there is an airport available at Waterford and an airline willing to operate flights from there profitably then why not? Seems perfectly logical to me.
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:10 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 46):
Waterford has a metro population of about 70,000 and you're looking at nearly two hours of a drive to both ORK and DUB. It's much more convenient to use the airport on your doorstep and obviously BE have identified this market for WAT-MAN and WAT-BHX flights.

I understand that, but it's kind of strange for such a small city to have direct air service right? I mean, I can give you cities in for example Holland, 2 hours away from AMS, with over 250000 population, and no airport.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 46):
I could ask what the logic for proposed transatlantic flights from ORK is when SNN is so nearby...

Simple, close SNN   Besides, SNN is in Ireland, ORK is in The Peoples Republic of Cork.

 
Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 47):
If there is an airport available at Waterford and an airline willing to operate flights from there profitably then why not? Seems perfectly logical to me.

Yes, but I mean the logic behind it. Is it leisure, business, O&D etc...
 
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RE: Irish 8/13: Climbing Ever Higher

Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:15 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 48):
I understand that, but it's kind of strange for such a small city to have direct air service right? I mean, I can give you cities in for example Holland, 2 hours away from AMS, with over 250000 population, and no airport.

If its strange for WAT then its even more strange for NOC to have an airport/ and the same for Belfast with 2 airports.

Kilkenny to WAT in under 40 minutes, before motorway and bypass you are talking 70 or 80 minutes.
Wexford to WAT in around 1 hour, once New Ross bypass opens in a few years you could cut 10 or 15 minutes and even longer at peak times.

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