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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 49):
Very confusing. No longer a flight plan for ZA450 and now ZA451 looks to be doing a C-2 down the coast and back.

Yeah it's ZA450 that's flying right now. 451 is still on the ground at PAE.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:44 pm

Based on NYC777's blog it looks like ZB001 (the first 787-9) has moved to position 3 inside 40-24 and parts have started to arrive for ZB-002. I imagine we will not get pictures until roll out but I have my fingers crossed for earlier.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:30 pm

From Matt:

Engine nacelles are up on G-ZBJB not looking good for a delivery flite tonite
https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/349666497116905472

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:56 am

From Matt:

G-ZBJB delivery flight rescheduled for late Wednesday afternoon June 26, BJA delivery flight on Thursday or Friday.

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/349706433664790529

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:02 am

Aeromexico N964AM is in paint. Is this LN122? For some reason, they skipped N962AM and N963AM.



Here is another picture:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6423.htm
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:27 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
"British Airways 787 G-ZBJB scheduled for delivery flight PAE to LHR Tuesday at 5 p.m."
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 53):
G-ZBJB delivery flight rescheduled for late Wednesday afternoon June 26, BJA delivery flight on Thursday or Friday.

This of course probably depends on the weather both in LHR and in PAE.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 54):
Aeromexico N964AM is in paint. Is this LN122? For some reason, they skipped N962AM and N963AM.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:42 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 54):

Aeromexico N964AM is in paint. Is this LN122? For some reason, they skipped N962AM and N963AM.

Yes, it is odd. In reply #22 when I asked A about it he said it was (N963AM (Aeromexico #3/ILFC #5)) but I think there was some miscommunication as I thought it was AM #2/ILFC #4. Definitely some confusion.

Now that it is out in the air, it is not as bad looking as I originally thought. Kinda like it. Especially because its windows are not all taped up like her sister. I bet they change the order around on delivery too as this looks like it is on the flightline now.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:49 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 56):
Now that it is out in the air, it is not as bad looking as I originally thought. Kinda like it. Especially because its windows are not all taped up like her sister. I bet they change the order around on delivery too as this looks like it is on the flightline now.

I only wonder why they did not paint the engine nacelles in blue.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:55 am

It definitely would have been better. Hot and high I guess.

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Actually scratch that. Laminar flow should not impact thrust just fuel burn.

[Edited 2013-06-26 01:59:51]
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:34 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 54):
Aeromexico N964AM is in paint. Is this LN122? For some reason, they skipped N962AM and N963AM.

N964AM is LN 122. LN 127 will be N965AM and LN 155 will be N966AM. The regs have been reserved by ILFC.

Oddly enough, N962AM has been reserved by an Italian private guy and N963AM is an active Dolphin owned by a Florida guy. that's why those numbers were skipped.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:42 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 35):
B-2733 China Southern #2 just filed for its C1 in about one hour.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE384
Theoretically still time for a June delivery!

Another customer flight scheduled for today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130626/1300Z/KCHS/KCHS

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:05 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 54):
Aeromexico N964AM is in paint. Is this LN122? For some reason, they skipped N962AM and N963AM.

Yes it is.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:04 pm

Rumor has that CAAC wants CZ to receive their 2nd one before letting HU fly their first Dream back to China. HU has already delay the inaugural flight to PEK
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:05 pm

Well that could explain the flight activity around ZA384.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:39 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 63):
Well that could explain the flight activity around ZA384.

Most likely B flights with an issue of some sort in cruise -- possibly an air leak or aero noise -- note speed variations during profile.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:28 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 60):
Another customer flight scheduled for today:

They are not done yet, another flight is scheduled for later today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130626/1800Z/KCHS/KMYR

This one will last 2 hours.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:36 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 65):
They are not done yet, another flight is scheduled for later today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130626/1800Z/KCHS/KMYR

This one will last 2 hours

This is probably the C-1.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:20 pm

Is the BA787 delivery flight still going ahead 2day?
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:02 pm

Here are a few photos taken yesterday by the CZ pilot for accepting B-2733 from Boeing - Charleston.
Big version: Width: 1600 Height: 1067 File size: 254kb
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:24 pm

Very nice, thanks for sharing!
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:27 pm

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:05 am

So all CZ 787s will have the special c/s then? Or will they do just the first couple like NH did with 801A and 802A?
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:07 am

It looks like both ZA450 and ZA451 are flying to Heathrow tonight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW9152
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW787
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:39 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 72):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW787

Looks like L/N 111 – G-ZBJB is on it's way!
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:51 am

A few more photos of B-2733 (BOE384) today's C-1 flight........enjoy
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:28 am

What line number is the first -9?

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:35 am

Quoting jet-lagged (Reply 75):
What line number is the first -9?

126

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:09 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 71):
So all CZ 787s will have the special c/s then? Or will they do just the first couple like NH did with 801A and 802A?

All 10 will get the special livery.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:46 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 77):
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 71):So all CZ 787s will have the special c/s then? Or will they do just the first couple like NH did with 801A and 802A?

All 10 will get the special livery.

Thanks! BTW I'm not complaining, I like it a lot!  
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:14 am

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 74):
A few more photos of B-2733 (BOE384) today's C-1 flight........enjoy

Excellent, thanks. I guess delivery is imminent, followed by HU.

http://atwonline.com/airframes/haina...ines-debut-boeing-787-debut-july-3
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:15 pm

Looks like EI-LNA (LN 102) is being delivered today and Matt C has a picture up of the delivery center being primed for the ceremony later today. Two new customers back-to-back days and it could get even better than that in the coming days if the Chinese come through as well. Exciting week.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:21 pm

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:38 pm

So June finished off with either 11 or 12 depending on whether or not Air India decides to take a frame home.

July looks promising given that there are still 31 frames built, but most haven't even had a first flight yet. Hopefully we will see a lot of B-1 flights over the next week.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:43 pm

Crazy to see that after all of the end of month deliveries there will only be one frame left at Everett that has flown with the battery fix and not delivered (VT-ANN, LN90 that was used for PAS). LN 43 and LN73 flew before the grounding, but have not flown with the fix. Looks like we will get to see a lot of B-1 flights (or first flight after fix) in the next couple weeks in order to accomplish July deliveries. Probably just b/c of the backlog they have had since grounding lifted, but I had gotten used to having a number of frames in the test pipeline at any given time.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:46 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 82):
So June finished off with either 11 or 12 depending on whether or not Air India decides to take a frame home.

Its actually most likely going to be 10. If China has decided to sequence CSN #2 before HAI #1 and CSN #2 gets delivered friday, it leaves no room for HAI #1 before the end of the month (last business day being friday). We may be lucky and get 11 if stars align in Beijing. Air India hasn't flown a customer flight on either one of the ready aircraft so delivery won't happen in next 48 hours.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:21 pm

BA ZA450 out on a C-3, getting tight on delivery:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE450
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:20 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 82):
depending on whether or not Air India decides to take a frame home.
Quoting Hmelawyer (Reply 83):
only be one frame left at Everett that has flown with the battery fix and not delivered (VT-ANN, LN90 that was used for PAS)
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 84):
Air India hasn't flown a customer flight on either one of the ready aircraft so delivery won't happen in next 48 hours.

Air India is back in the financial markets looking for $500MM in bridge financing to fund its next batch of 787's. The deadline for the RFP is July 5. So, it doesn't look like any AI frames will deliver until after the bids are assessed, approved, documented, closed and then funded. Lots of folks will make money along the way; just not Boeing. Per a WSJ article "The new loan will be for six months to a year, and the five planes will arrive in July-December..."
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:27 pm

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 86):
"The new loan will be for six months to a year, and the five planes will arrive in July-December..."

Five aircraft? Boeing currently has seven Air India aircraft in inventory, with an eighth to be built sometime late in the year. I suppose maybe a couple of the frames currently in the EMC won't make it out by then?
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:33 pm

Or they won't find the money for more aircraft during the July-December period.

[Edited 2013-06-27 12:39:51]
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:46 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 87):
I suppose maybe a couple of the frames currently in the EMC won't make it out by then?

One already has and is waiting to be delivered and I believe 4 more will come out of EMC for delvivery this year along with 2 more new builds that are already built and flight tested (just need customer flights).
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:51 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 89):
One already has

Actually 2, LN32 finished change incorporation in March or April and is currently being stored on runway 11-29 while LN30 rolled out in the beginning of the month.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:22 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 85):
BA ZA450 out on a C-3, getting tight on delivery:

See the C3 flight was shorter (372 miles) than both its C2 flight (740 miles) and what was planned for the C3 flight (704 miles). Not sure if that's a good sign (because everything was obviously OK) or a bad thing (because problem persisted so flight was truncated),
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:36 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 91):
See the C3 flight was shorter (372 miles) than both its C2 flight (740 miles) and what was planned for the C3 flight (704 miles). Not sure if that's a good sign (because everything was obviously OK) or a bad thing (because problem persisted so flight was truncated),

Simple answer: If it flies again it was a bad thing, if it doesn't fly again it was a good thing. Time will tell. I've seen it go both ways.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:47 pm

JO at WSJ has suggested that the Surge Line will only be used for the 787-9 until flight tests are finished: https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/350380951542562816

Also, a new photo of the 787-9 has popped up in a NZ newspaper.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10892963

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:58 pm

Here is another image of the -9. Engines are attached.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/aviation/n...cle.cfm?c_id=556&objectid=10892865

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[Edited 2013-06-27 16:02:39]
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 93):
JO at WSJ has suggested that the Surge Line will only be used for the 787-9 until flight tests are finished...

Hasn't that been the plan for some time? That way they could fix squawks without affecting customer 787-8 frames. I seem to recall reading such on this forum.

[Edited 2013-06-27 16:12:31]
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:19 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 95):
Hasn't that been the plan for some time?

This is the first I had heard of it from someone who was not just speculating but it makes sense. All things 787 has LN 142, 143, etc as destined for 40-24 but I am sure that change will be made. No reason to add -8s to the 40-24 line if 40-26 can do the 7/month that they need to by the end of the year.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 93):
JO at WSJ has suggested that the Surge Line will only be used for the 787-9 until flight tests are finished: https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/350380951542562816

No that isn't what Jon is saying. He's saying that 40-24 TSL will be used for final assembly of the -9 until all flight test -9s have been assembled not when the -9 flight tests are done.

This is his tweet:

"LN127 is first with new tooling on line 1. Surge is only -9s until after flight test jets are done."

[Edited 2013-06-27 18:59:11]
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:30 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 97):

Ah ok. I misunderstood. So the line will go back to producing -8s after the first 3 frames and then it looks like -8s and -9s will be interchanged with each other on either line.

Edward Russel is in Everett today and he posted a picture of G-ZBJC and a LAN aircraft (CC-BBD or CC-BBE) on one of the production lines; I assume it is 40-24 but it looks like these are in positions that could be occupied by ZB001 not to mention they are facing straight ahead and I believe 3 & 4 are at an angle. Any ideas why these were brought back in just like they did with Aeromexico a couple weeks back?

Here is a link to the image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/9155495558/lightbox/

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:37 am

EI-LNA (Norwegian #1) has been delivered today (27-Jun) to ILFC.
Handover from ILFC to Norwegian on Friday (28-Jun).
Fly out Saturday (29-Jun) afternoon from PAE to OSL (arrival morning of 30-Jun).
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