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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:38 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 98):
CC-BBD

Another picture, confirmed it is CC-BBD.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/erussel...9153301731/sizes/o/in/photostream/

I thought BBD was an aircraft manufactured in Charleston though

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:25 am

The Mother of All Tools Tower is now gone in 40-46:

Quote:
LN127 is first with new tooling on line 1. Surge is only -9s until after flight test jets are done.

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/350380951542562816
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:30 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 98):
Any ideas why these were brought back in just like they did with Aeromexico a couple weeks back?

Battery change?

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 98):
I assume it is 40-24

This is definitely 40-26.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 95):
Hasn't that been the plan for some time? That way they could fix squawks without affecting customer 787-8 frames. I seem to recall reading such on this forum.

Yes the whole idea behind the surge line is to assist a smooth introduction of the -9 without delaying production of the -8.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 94):
Here is another image of the -9. Engines are attached.

I wonder when that picture was taken. Because it shows ZB001 in position 2 with two -8s in position 3 and 4 while NYC777's blog claims it should be in position 3 with no further -8s in 40-24.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:56 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 101):
The Mother of All Tools Tower is now gone in 40-46:

Here is a picture of the new tooling in position 1:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNzPrbjCQAA1oN3.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/e_russell/status/350383216055697409/photo/1
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:19 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
Battery change?

Could be but they are both May aircraft so I thought that was figured out by then. Guess not. Only explanation I can come up with.


Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
This is definitely 40-26.

It really looks like it but since when was a BA bird (BJC) in font of LAN (BBD) on the 40-26 line? Especially when BBD was not even manufactured in Everett. That line always seems to have 4 aircraft on it and any point so I wonder how/when they brought these aircraft in. Something tells me that LN 123 has rolled out  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
I wonder when that picture was taken.

He took them yesterday. He was there for DY delivery. He also says that the 787-9 has its wheels and power on.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:48 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 104):
Could be but they are both May aircraft so I thought that was figured out by then. Guess not. Only explanation I can come up with.

The front and aft cargo bay doors are open, which suggest they are working on the batteries. But I could be wrong.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 104):
It really looks like it but since when was a BA bird (BJC) in font of LAN (BBD) on the 40-26 line?

If they were pulled back inside for a battery change, than yes that is possible.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 104):
Especially when BBD was not even manufactured in Everett.

The LAN bird must be LN118 and I guess NYC777 has accidentally switched the registration with LN113 in CHS (or it is the other way around).

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 104):
He took them yesterday. He was there for DY delivery. He also says that the 787-9 has its wheels and power on.

So ZB001 is still in position 2 and not in 3?

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:01 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 105):
The LAN bird must be LN118 and I guess NYC777 has accidentally switched the registration with LN113 in CHS (or it is the other way around).

Occam's razor. Of course.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 105):
So ZB001 is still in position 2 and not in 3?

No, I think position three is a good bet. The picture I posted above showing the -9 was from a New Zealand Journalist and that was earlier than yesterday. Sorry if I confused that point. Coincidentally the AM bird is still listed at in 40-24 on NYC777's blog. Maybe they all moved up a slot.

E. Russel does say there a ton of activity going on on the surge line which is surprising to hear unless he is really just talking about that -9.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:04 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 106):
The picture I posted above showing the -9 was from a New Zealand Journalist and that was earlier than yesterday.

Ah, that explains it. I thought the picture was also taken by E. Russel.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
This is definitely 40-26.

BTW, this picture confirms the 40-26 building:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/9153301731/

We can see 3 positions. Also, together with the other pictures from Russel we have:

> AeroMexico LN127 in position 1 (first body join with the new tooling)
> Position 2 is empty (strange?)
> LAN LN118 in position 3
> BA LN114 in position 4

I wonder how they could free up space on the assembly line, position 2 is empty and 3 and 4 are currently used for LN114 and LN118 which were assembled in May. Maybe there was a small interruption in the assembly process to install the new tooling?

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 104):
Something tells me that LN 123 has rolled out

It could also be in 40-24, they sometimes switch positions. There was only 1 bird parked on the 40-51 ramp at that moment http://twitter.com/e_russell/status/350360549395156992/photo/1

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:33 am

Lot's 5th 787, SP-LRE will be delivered in late July.

Effective 10th of August, all long-haul ops at Lot will be operated by Dreamliners. There will be no more scheduled 767 operations any more.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:51 am

LN123 must have been moved to 40-24. There has recently been a queue to get in for painting once outside which casts doubt on it being in the paint hangar.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:13 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 107):
Maybe there was a small interruption in the assembly process to install the new tooling?

Yes, there was a temporary slow down when they removed the MOAT. That could be what we are seeing.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 107):
It could also be in 40-24, they sometimes switch positions.
Quoting Dan23 (Reply 108):
LN123 must have been moved to 40-24.

Could be that is what happened. I think we would have noticed it Qantas/Jetstar's first had rolled out. However, I thought that there really was not much done at position 4 on the 40-24 line. I thought I remembered all aircraft transferring to 40-26 when it was time for interiors/testing as they only did that in one location. Could be wrong on that.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 108):
Lot's 5th 787, SP-LRE will be delivered in late July.

Great news. She is sitting right in the middle of a bunch of sequential line numbers that have had movement so it will good to have her catch up.

I realize this is not the right place for this but I enjoyed seeing this photo of Everett from Matt C. It shows an ET 77L landing while an AC 77W waits for clearance with 787s and 747s in the back ground. Pretty much covers everything that Everett is working on, all in one photo. If only we had a 767 in there somewhere. Anyway, here is the photo:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6435.htm

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:36 pm

First video that I have seen of the 787-9.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Long-awaited-.../313/articleID/302716/Default.aspx

They could have done a better job with it but its worth seeing

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 111):
They could have done a better job with it

Maybe a little unfair, tortugamon?   The Kiwis caught it as soon as it started looking like an aeroplane, and were the first to film it?

Still a while to go before it flies, though. It looks pretty good so far (and has lots of orders); but, as always in aviation, only yet more time will tell if it's going to be successful or not.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:07 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 110):
Could be that is what happened. I think we would have noticed it Qantas/Jetstar's first had rolled out. However, I thought that there really was not much done at position 4 on the 40-24 line. I thought I remembered all aircraft transferring to 40-26 when it was time for interiors/testing as they only did that in one location. Could be wrong on that.

Position 4 was kept for change incorporation for a while, some 747s were on that spot too. But since a few months, Boeing uses that position for assembly.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:26 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 112):
Maybe a little unfair, tortugamon?   The Kiwis caught it as soon as it started looking like an aeroplane, and were the first to film it?

The angles were pretty poor, and the talk was about how late everything is and about the 787-10 instead of getting an angle that is not blocked by the wing or someone's head. Definitely not aviation geeks. They caught it when they did, not by chance, but because Boeing paid for them to fly over to cover it and for a first view I just would have liked some better footage thats all.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:06 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 114):
but because Boeing paid for them to fly over to cover it

Sorry, have to disagree with that statement.. Boeing doesn't rely on paying news organizations for filming.. they have an excellent internal team that produces beautiful work.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 99):
EI-LNA (Norwegian #1) has been delivered today (27-Jun) to ILFC.

That's 7 at PAE this month with possibly 1 more to go if BAB ZA450 is done flying. Last month PAE delivered 7 also. I think we'll see 7-9 a month from PAE for the rest of the year -- nice steady pace.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:33 pm

Allthings787 has BAB ZA450 listed as being delivered 6/27/13. Perhaps that C3 flight you noted yesterday proved the aircraft clean and they inked the delivery paperwork.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:38 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 82):
July looks promising given that there are still 31 frames built, but most haven't even had a first flight yet. Hopefully we will see a lot of B-1 flights over the next week.

We haven't seen a B-1 in two weeks - I am sitting on the edge of my seat hoping CZ and HU will each get an aircraft today - thinking that will allow the other 9 CZ and HU planes on the flight line to be delivered in a timely manner...add the 4 AI planes and I start to feel sorry for Boeing, they can't seem to catch a break!
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:45 pm

There are still two days left in June! Being a quarter end, I'm hoping there is some weekend work scheduled to push a frame or two through the delivery center - either in Everett or North Charleston.

This looks like a B-1 for today....

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE186

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:19 pm

There is some activity around LN39 again. It should be delivered to Ethiopian Airlines in July.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9155168853/
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:21 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 115):
Sorry, have to disagree with that statement.. Boeing doesn't rely on paying news organizations for filming..

There is this message on all of the articles: "Jane Luscombe travelled to Seattle with the assistance of Air New Zealand and Boeing." and "Jane Luscombe travelled to Charleston with the assistance of Air New Zealand and Boeing". That is what I was reffing to.

Quoting kanban (Reply 115):
they have an excellent internal team that produces beautiful work.

I agree. If Boeing did the video it would have been exponentially better.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:58 pm

Another customer flight....

LN76 ZA431 34939 B-2722 787-8 Hainan Airlines

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE431
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:44 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 116):
I think we'll see 7-9 a month from PAE for the rest of the year -- nice steady pace.

I agree, its looking like they are beginning to hit their stride. Hopefully they can deliver more than 7/month. That will only allow them to eat into the 26 aircraft that are in pre-flight prep/production testing at a rate of 2/month above the approx 5/month that the FAL is adding not to mention the EMC. Wouldn't that take them over a year to clear the backlog at that rate?

At a rate of 9/month they will do some serious damage to the backlog, will be able to tackle anything that the EMC turns out and will be ready for the 787-9 flight testing all the while reaching a rate for deliveries that will be more sustainable once production ramps up by year end without too much excess capacity once the backlog is wound down. I am nitpicking but I would have thought that 8/month would have to be the minimum here on out and anything more is gravy.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:14 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 121):
ane Luscombe travelled to Seattle with the assistance of Air New Zealand and Boeing." and "Jane Luscombe travelled to Charleston with the assistance of Air New Zealand and Boeing". That is what I was reffing to.

That's the news organization thanking Boeing for letting them into the factory and airplane.. Now if I was still on the floor doing safety inspections, both corespondents would either be wearing safety glasses or would be escorted out of the building.
 
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Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:15 am

HU's B-2722 (BOE431) C flight photos from Charleston, SC. Enjoy
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:51 am

LN123 is in 40-24 as we guessed. Photo by Matt Cawby:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6438.htm
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:25 pm

LN20 / JA821J is about to get its engines attached:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6436.htm

LN21 / JA823J is also visible in the EMC with the new JAL livery. We've seen this one with engines attached in the old livery at the fuel time some time ago:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6437.htm

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:01 pm

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 125):

Hainan has my favorite 787 livery...so far.
 
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Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:50 pm

The second BAB 787 is delivered and scheduled to fly home this evening:


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW787
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 126):
LN123 is in 40-24 as we guessed. Photo by Matt Cawby:

Looks like seats and interiors are being installed.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:22 pm

Line 102 - IFLC/Norwegian - departed for Oslo around 1715 on 6/29.
The 2nd BA aircraft departed several hours later.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:27 pm

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 131):
Line 102 - IFLC/Norwegian - departed for Oslo around 1715 on 6/29.

Weird, there was nothing on Flightaware on it.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 132):
Weird, there was nothing on Flightaware on it.

Nor was the 9 hour crew training flight on Friday.
No arrival photo's here either, but I know it departed, not sure why Flightaware isn't tracking it.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting Beeski (Reply 128):

That is pretty spectacular.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 133):
No arrival photo's here either, but I know it departed, not sure why Flightaware isn't tracking it.

Here you have some pictures arriving in Oslo


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2815/9178882220_c41dda4600_b.jpg

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Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:03 am

Awesome photos juanchito!! Thanks for sharing  
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:20 am

Just talked to the CZ crew in KCHS confirming delivery of BOE431(B-2133 ) before Independence Day- routing will be CHS-BFI-CAN HU's B-2722 (BOE381) will follow shortly.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:17 am

As we start the new month, a little refresher. July has the potential to be explosive but in order to achieve that there will need to be success with the problem children as the next 6 deliveries in theory are 1 China Southern, 3 Hainan and 2 Air India with 5 of those 6 sitting ready and pretty @ Charleston.

Next up...

Deliveries:
> B-2733 (China Southern #2) (@ Charleston)
> B-2722 (Hainan Airlines #1) (@ Charleston)

First Flights:
> B-2728 (Hainan Airlines #4) ->not "first" flight but first since Jan 8, 2013
> B-27?? (China Southern #3) (@ Charleston)
> A7-BCE (Qatar Airways #7)
> B-27?? (China Southern #4) -> not painted. maybe to be painted in Texas
> A7-BCG (Qatar Airways #8)
> SP-LRE (LOT Polish Airlines #5)
> ET-AOO (Ethiopian Airlines #5)

FAL Rollout:
> B-27?? (China Southern #7) (@ Charleston)
> N789EX (Boeing 787-9 Test Plane #1)
> N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston)

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:48 am

There was a line move in 40-24, LN123 (Jetstart) was moved outside and LN115 (Aeromexico) was moved to the flightline.

http://paineairport.com/kpae6445.htm
http://paineairport.com/kpae6444.htm

Here is a nice picture of ZB001:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6446.htm

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 137):
Just talked to the CZ crew in KCHS confirming delivery of BOE431(B-2133 ) before Independence Day- routing will be CHS-BFI-CAN HU's B-2722 (BOE381) will follow shortly.

I think you meant for CZ ZA384 (B-2733) and for HU ZA431 (B-2722).
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:48 pm

ZA466 for Qatar Airways is to have its B-1 today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE466
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:18 pm

Perhaps not strictly "production" related, but ZA005 has been doing an awful lot of long test flights lately. Is it testing PIP3 for the GE engines?
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 140):
I think you meant for CZ ZA384 (B-2733) and for HU ZA431 (B-2722)

Thank you for the correction bro. I didn't cross checked with your spreadsheet, Which of course is the BEST  
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:04 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 17):
This has to be one of the worst 787 liveries yet.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/9111470187/

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Couldn't agree more. The picture of Sonje Henie on the tail is better though, than the more famous one in which she is saluting Hitler.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 143):
Thank you for the correction bro. I didn't cross checked with your spreadsheet, Which of course is the BEST

Thanks! It was just updated this AM with the latest positions of the production 787s.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 138):
problem children

Which ones are the 'problem children'? Is it the aircraft or the airlines (or CAAC) you mean there?
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:45 pm

Yeah. There are an awful lot of frames for China in the parking area. Is there any guidance on when they may be departing?

Is this a technical issue or are we on another political hold?
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:58 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 147):

They are working on delivering now from what I have seen. They are taking their time though. I assume once each carrier has one, then the rest will flood out.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:40 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 142):
Perhaps not strictly "production" related, but ZA005 has been doing an awful lot of long test flights lately. Is it testing PIP3 for the GE engines?

PIP2, not 3.

> ZA004 is currently flying the RR Trent 1000 Package C
> ZA005 is currently flying the GE GEnx PIP2
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