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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:33 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 149):
PIP2, not 3.

will the first 789 be fitted with Package C engines or might they be installed later?
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:35 pm

ZB001 will be fitted with Package C. The engines have already been delivered to the FAL:

http://www.rolls-royce.com/news/pres...13/19062013_787_9_first_flight.jsp
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:18 pm

CZ's second Dreamliner B-2733 will be delivered as CSN733,CHS-BFI-CAN
Big version: Width: 1600 Height: 1200 File size: 295kb


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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:31 pm

Here is a quote from today's Aspire Aviation article:

“The 787-9 leverages the visionary design of the 787-8. With a 20-foot (6m) stretch to the fuselage, the 787-9 will be able to carry 40 more passengers an additional 300 nautical miles (555km). The 787-9 also features additional aerodynamics improvements and technological enhancements that increase range and value for our customers, including some internal enhancements to the composite structure that reduce airplane weight and some airplane system and configuration changes that improve fuel efficiency . We’ll evaluate these technologies and features for possible incorporation into the 787-8 using our disciplined process, which will lead us to the appropriate business decisions. We are unable to comment on specific technologies or enhancements because they are proprietary,” Boeing spokesman Scott Lefeber said
http://www.aspireaviation.com/2013/0...the-x-factor/#.UdLUyil0Lls.twitter

I was aware that they were planning on instituting weight savings but it sounds like there is more involved than just that. The fact that they have to evaluate weather or not to implement these into the -8 tells me that this is more complicated than just a lighter component or sub assembly here and there.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:37 pm

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 152):
CZ's second Dreamliner B-2733 will be delivered as CSN733,CHS-BFI-CAN

Delivery today I believe.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 152):
CZ's second Dreamliner B-2733 will be delivered as CSN733,CHS-BFI-CAN

Here it is:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...3/history/20130702/1600Z/KCHS/KBFI
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:07 pm

CSN now has 20% of it's 787 fleet with another 50% waiting in the wings (pun unintended).
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:46 pm

Looks like a C-1 flight for ZA242:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE242
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:48 pm

Good, it looks like they found a loan for the purchase of the next batch 787s.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 156):
CSN now has 20% of it's 787 fleet with another 50% waiting in the wings (pun unintended).

That's one way to put it  
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:17 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 158):
Good, it looks like they found a loan for the purchase of the next batch 787s.

YEah one at aa time it seems....soooooo painful to watch.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:50 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 157):
Looks like a C-1 flight for ZA242:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE242

PAE to PAE for an hour and a half most likely just a FCF after return to production status, we'll see.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:41 am

LN43 (CZ) is back on the flightline after spending some time around the EMC. This one was ferried FTW-PAE during the grounding and is still wearing the Boeing registration.

http://paineairport.com/kpae6452.htm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 160):
PAE to PAE for an hour and a half most likely just a FCF after return to production status, we'll see.

According to Matt, it was indeed a test flight.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:39 pm

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 67 Aircraft to 12 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JUNE
NH-19; JL-8; AI-6; UA–6; QR-5; ET-4; LO-3; LA-3; BY-2; CZ-1

RECENT DELIVERIES
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – 6/12/2013 – BY #3
L/N 98 – JA831J – 6/12/2013 - JL #9
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – 6/14/2013 - QR #6 (Paris Air Show)
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – 6/18/2013 - AI #7
L/N 101 - JA820A - 6/20/2013 - NH #20
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 6/21/2013 – LO #4
L/N 111 – G-ZBJB - 6/25/2013 - BA #1
L/N 108 – G-ZBJA - 6/27/2013 - BA #2
L/N 102 – EI-LNA - 6/27/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC)
L/N 95 - B-2733 – 7/2/2013 – CZ #2

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY
L/N 76 - B-2722 – 7/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 7/xx/2013 - AI #8 (Paris Air Show)
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 7/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 85 - B–2730 - x/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 105 – JA832J – 7/xx/2013 - JL #10
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – 7/xx/2013 - QR #7
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – 7/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 7/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 106 - G-TUID – x/xx/2013 – BY #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 107 - JA821A - 7/xx/2013 - NH #21 Awaiting first flight
L/N 112 – EI-LNB - 7/xx/2013 - DY #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 110 - JA822A - x/xx/2013 - NH #22 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2732 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 100 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - x/xx/2013 - BA #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 104 - B-2735 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 115 – N961AM - 8/xx/2013 - AM #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – x/xx/2013 - QR #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 116 - A7-BCG – x/xx/2013 - QR #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 117 – N29907 – x/xx/2013 – UA #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 118 - CC-BBE - 8/xx/2013 - LA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD - x/xx/2013 - BA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 120 - JA823A - 8/xx/2013 - NH #23 Awaiting first flight
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - 8/xx/2013 - LA #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 36 - B-2726 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 122 – N964AM - x/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – QF #1 Awaiting first flight
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:08 pm

Boeing's June 787 Report has solved the United 787 mystery allocation.
Adjustments were:
> sCO adds 1 788 and 4 789s to its order tally (previously included in Unidentified category so not a new order)
> sUA moves 16 frames out of 788s into 6 789s and 10 7810s

So current tally is:
> 21 788s (12 sCOs + 9 sUAs) -> 6 delivered so far are all sCOs
> 24 789s (18 sCOs + 6 sUAs)
> 20 7810s (20 sUAs)

No other change in the monthly report (ie nothing about Xiamen's 6x 788s, Air Canada and Air Berlin's conversions to 789s, British Airways' 12x 7810s, GECAS' 10x 7810s and Air Lease's 30x 7810s).

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:17 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 163):
So current tally is:
> 21 788s (12 sCOs + 9 sUAs) -> 6 delivered so far are all sCOs
> 24 789s (18 sCOs + 6 sUAs)
> 20 7810s (20 sUAs)

Are you suggesting the 6 delivered 787-8s are not included in the 21 tally that you list? I thought the 21 were outstanding orders not total orders. That leaves 18 orders for the -9 rather than 24.

Flight global suggested the following:
"The Chicago-based carrier is understood to be the undisclosed customer of four -9s and one -8, which Boeing first listed in its orders and deliveries in November 2012. The airline has outstanding orders for 21 -8s, 18 -9s and 20 -10s - a total of 59 aircraft - as a result of the additional aircraft.

This is in line with the 65 787s United said that it has in its fleet and on order at Paris.

The airline operates six -8s."
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...mbers-prior-to-paris-order-387829/

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:27 pm

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:28 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 164):
Are you suggesting the 6 delivered 787-8s are not included in the 21 tally that you list? I thought the 21 were outstanding orders not total orders. That leaves 18 orders for the -9 rather than 24.

Nope he's right. Accordig to Boeing's O&D it is 21 total orders for the 787-8 which is now down to 15 left to be delivered since they have 6 already. There are 24 787-9s still on order.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 165):
Flight global was wrong.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166):
Nope he's right.

I had to see it with my own eyes to believe it. Got it. I updated wiki because it had the flight global information in there as well. IMO, this mix makes a lot more sense as UA will need to replace some of the 90 764s, 772s, and 77Es and the -9 will be a great fit.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:07 pm

ZA186 isd on tap to fly another flight. I don't know if this is a C-1 or a B-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE186
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:31 pm

The 787-9 will feature 3 new flap settings.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/flightblogger/9204142702/

More info from our beloved Ostrower here:
http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/352523941132242945
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:22 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 162):
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – QF #1 Awaiting first flight

Picky, I know but VH-VKA is not for QF! It is being delivered to and will be registered to JQ, a completely different company/airline.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 162):
AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY

so that is 24 aircraft awaiting first flight ! Are all these ready for a crew to climb aboard , fire it up and takeoff.... or aren't they .   
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:13 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 168):
ZA186 isd on tap to fly another flight. I don't know if this is a C-1 or a B-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE186

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:17 am

A7-BCD flight home. Seems like it took almost 2 weeks to get work done this time.

LN99 ZA465 38322 A7-BCD

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3787

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:00 am

According to info from within HU, their first Dreamliner B-2722 will be officially deliver on Independence Day and fly away on the fifth by way of BFI
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:33 pm

Hainan Airlines 1st 787 delivered: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2734

The Hainan Airlines 787 interior consists of 36 full, flat-bed business seats configured in rows of 2-2-2, as well as 177 economy seats configured in rows of 3-3-3.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:26 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 175):

Another 'five star airline' without first class on their 787s. I imagine that will change on the larger 787s. I believe CZ is the only one to do it so far and I think that was only 4 seats. But Y+ has been relatively common.

Good to see another new customer. That is five new customers in the last two months and now 13 overall I believe.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:37 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 171):
so that is 24 aircraft awaiting first flight ! Are all these ready for a crew to climb aboard , fire it up and takeoff.... or aren't they .

Negative.
Only a handful are flight ready.
The 787 line is not as tight as the others.
The airplanes arrive on the flight line with a lot of traveled work that needs to be completed first.
As it sits right now ... the airplane is supposed to leave the factory, come across the bridge and stop in the fuel dock.
Right now - it is 2-3 weeks before they go to fuel.
Once in fuel - that's when the true flightline profile takes effect.
-Prep for engine run - prep for B1.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 177):
Right now - it is 2-3 weeks before they go to fuel.

That's about right. Now it is 1 week on the 40-51 ramp, 1 week in paint, then flightline followed by fuel dock, engine run and finally taxi tests / first flight.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:50 pm

LAN LN118 (CC-BBD) rolled out to the 40-51 apron.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/352876130837073920
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:56 pm

And here is HU LN76 at the CHS delivery center:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOWsfL-CAAAIn5D.jpg:large

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:00 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 179):
LAN LN118 (CC-BBD) rolled out to the 40-51 apron.

Here is CC-BBD:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6458.htm
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:04 am

Here are the first cabin shots of the HU 787:

http://oi43.tinypic.com/30tqvza.jpg

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1z6836u.jpg

http://oi41.tinypic.com/33aqqrm.jpg

http://oi39.tinypic.com/5uoiu9.jpg

http://oi44.tinypic.com/rsdavr.jpg

http://oi43.tinypic.com/oizx9d.jpg

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2u9ia7a.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2z6cavq.jpg

http://oi43.tinypic.com/wwk7ih.jpg

http://oi43.tinypic.com/necf2r.jpg

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 176):
Another 'five star airline' without first class on their 787s. I imagine that will change on the larger 787s. I believe CZ is the only one to do it so far and I think that was only 4 seats. But Y+ has been relatively common.

They have full flat-bed business seats already so there is no really a point to invest in first class.

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Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:50 am

HU B-2722 (LN76) delivery flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...2/history/20130705/1330Z/KCHS/KBFI

I assume the whole flight will be CHS-BFI-HAK?

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Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:37 pm

Beautiful aircraft and livery and cabin IMO. Those wings are sooo good!
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:40 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 185):

Beautiful aircraft and livery and cabin IMO. Those wings are sooo good!

I agree, very nice! To me the wings on the 787 make all of the winglets, sharklets, etc.,offered on all other new aircraft seem so outdated already.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:10 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 183):
I assume the whole flight will be CHS-BFI-HAK?

Hm nope, so far it will be CHS-BFI-MWH-BFI. Training flight maybe?
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:15 am

Photo of the 1st delivered Hainan 787-8 at KBFI:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bfiguy/9220978700/

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Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 183):
I assume the whole flight will be CHS-BFI-HAK?
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 187):
Hm nope, so far it will be CHS-BFI-MWH-BFI. Training flight maybe?

And here it is, BFI-HAK:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...2/history/20130706/1300Z/KBFI/ZJHK
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:41 am

Boeing South Carolina won’t hit 787 production goal this year:

http://www.postandcourier.com/articl...05/130709602&template=mobile_story
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Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:38 pm

LN21 JA823J finally finished change incorporation:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/353905742388011008
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:46 pm

"Hainan Airlines is expected to introduce another three 787 planes this year"

http://www.ecns.cn/business/2013/07-08/71947.shtml

If this holds, it looks like there will still be a number of Hainan frames parked in Everett well into the new year. There are currently 2 frames ready for customer flights in Charleston, 1 basically ready in Everett (needs a battery mod check flight before customer flight), 1 stored in Everett (needing of paint etc), a 5th one to come off the production line at Everett in late August and 6th one coming off the production line at Everett in December. So 3 to be delivered this year and 3 to be carried into next year.

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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:51 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 192):
1 stored in Everett (needing of paint etc)

Poor LN79 will not go anywhere soon.
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:31 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 192):
"Hainan Airlines is expected to introduce another three 787 planes this year"

http://www.ecns.cn/business/2013/07-08/71947.shtml

If this holds, it looks like there will still be a number of Hainan frames parked in Everett well into the new year. There are currently 2 frames ready for customer flights in Charleston, 1 basically ready in Everett (needs a battery mod check flight before customer flight), 1 stored in Everett (needing of paint etc), a 5th one to come off the production line at Everett in late August and 6th one coming off the production line at Everett in December. So 3 to be delivered this year and 3 to be carried into next year.

I assume this is a HU issue not a Boeing issue? I would think if HU was ready for them, Boeing could have these planes in their hands pretty quickly? Do we know why HU doesn't want them right away?
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 194):
Do we know why HU doesn't want them right away?

I guess the Civil Aviation Administration of China makes the decisions, not HU.

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Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 195):
I guess the Civil Aviation Administration of China makes the decisions, not HU.

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but isn't there some sort of contractual issue with basically perpetually deferring deliveries? Is there anything stopping Boeing from offering these frames to another customer, and telling China to get back in line?

Seems like a pretty terrible way to do business, that's a lot of inventory sitting on the books.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:08 pm

I guess I could have read the article first... sounds like they have too much capacity.

"In the short term, Hainan Airlines has an oversupply in transportation capacity based on its demand, but in the future, the 787s could help it with demand brought about by the economy," saId Lin Zhijie, an independent market watcher.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:09 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 196):
but isn't there some sort of contractual issue with basically perpetually deferring deliveries? Is there anything stopping Boeing from offering these frames to another customer, and telling China to get back in line?

A customer responsible for multiple billions in business over many decades, the treatment of whom also has foreign relations implications for your country, gets cut a lot of slack.

Also, have a look at the Hainan interior photos upthread -- it would take a lot of expensive work to modify these frames for another customer.
 
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RE: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16

Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 196):
Forgive my lack of knowledge, but isn't there some sort of contractual issue with basically perpetually deferring deliveries? Is there anything stopping Boeing from offering these frames to another customer, and telling China to get back in line?

Seems like a pretty terrible way to do business, that's a lot of inventory sitting on the books.

The same question was raised when Air India was delaying.. the answer is basically that there are too many customer variables to easily swap customers.. plus all BFE equipment must be removed and replaced. Now swapping between Chinese customers might be a tad easier.. but not by much

Besides Boeing gets to charge for storage and for refurb after storage which partially offsets any llate delivery fees paid to other customers.

  

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