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Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:38 pm

On 6 Feb 1970 Pan Am started using its "Terminal 2" at JFK, a temporary arrangement while they were expanding the main terminal. Never heard of it-- the article says it was next to Hangar 17. Where's that? Is the building still there?

Says it was for arrivals only, but had no customs. Had room for five 707s or two 747s and one 707.
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:41 pm

What use would a T2 have to PA at the time when it had no domestic routes if it had no customs ? Have never heard of such thing, the only terminal 2 PA used is the old DL/NW terminal next to the worldport.
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:23 am

Yes, it was a temporary terminal used by Pan Am during expansion of the Worldport, and later used by Tower Air. Since their demise it hasn't been used as a terminal. The original purpose for Pan Am was that their JFK terminal was already over capacity, so when they were expanding it (which reduced capacity) they needed to temporarily house some flights elsewhere during construction.

I believe it was known as Building 213, if you go into Google Earth/Maps and search for W Hangar Rd, Queens, NY, United States it will show you where the terminal was. If you go back to the historical images in Google Earth from 2003/2004 you can even see the old airbridges.

It's now used by Delta, but for maintenance by the looks of it.

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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:05 pm

Anyone have any pictures of this? They are very hard to find online for Tower Air so can't imagine there are to many with Pan Am. I'm pretty sure Tower added the jetways because I don't remember seeing them there earlier.
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:46 pm

I found a vid on the Tubes of the Tower terminal at JFK. It is not the best and most comprehensive...but gives you an idea.
Based on the orig PA ramp action I guess this is circa 1990.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Jtiwdj97Y

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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 3):
I'm pretty sure Tower added the jetways because I don't remember seeing them there earlier.

The 1970 Pan Am Terminal 2 was supposed to handle 747s-- the article doesn't say whether it had jetways. Think PA passengers arriving JFK on 747s walked down stairs from the plane?

Has Hangar 17 always been the same hangar? Where is the present one that has/had some WTC steel inside?
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):

I found a vid on the Tubes of the Tower terminal at JFK. It is not the best and most comprehensive...but gives you an idea.
Based on the orig PA ramp action I guess this is circa 1990.

That video - which is awesome, by the way - actually shows the interior of the old Eastern Airlines terminal, or Terminal 1. Tower was located there until it was closed in the mid-90s to make way for today's T1, then moved over to the old Pan Am annex terminal.

Not the Tower terminal, but interior shots (let alone footage!) of the old Eastern terminal are pretty hard to come by, so it's a great find nonetheless.
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:49 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
What use would a T2 have to PA at the time when it had no domestic routes if it had no customs ?

Pan Am had a lot of flights from SJU to JFK? Do flights from Puerto Rico to the mainland US have to clear customs?
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:24 am

This is interesting... I never knew the Tower Air terminal had been used as a terminal by anyone before Tower.

I believe Tower moved there after the demolition of the Eastern terminal (original Terminal 1), which I only flew from one time, also the only time I ever flew Tower. That was in February 1993... It can't have lasted much longer than that.

I think the least interesting of the original JFK terminals were the Eastern terminal followed by the Northeast-Braniff-Northwest terminal (current Terminal 2), and the former was the first to be demolished, while the latter will ironically be either be the second to last or the last.
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:09 pm

Eastern's terminal was demolished... 1995?
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:16 am

Quoting timz (Reply 9):
Eastern's terminal was demolished... 1995?

It's now the site of the new T1. I think it was the first of the original IDL/JFK terminals to be demolished.

Photo of the Eastern T! in the very early 1960s, soon after the Pan Am Worldport terminal (T3) at bottom opened (now being demolished). T2, between Pan Am and Eastern, was then under construction. It was originally used by Northwest, Northeast and Braniff. I think it opened in 1962 and was later used by Pan Am and then Delta. The Eastern terminal opened in 1959. At top right is the original UA terminal, later taken over by AA (AA's original terminal is just beyond the right edge of the photo, next to UA).



Another photo dated July 28, 1961 from Jon Proctor's interesting site, with the Northwest/Northeast/Braniff T2 in very early stages of land clearing and construction. Original AA terminal is visible in that photo to the right of UA.

http://jonproctor.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1a-IDL-07281961-860x559.jpg
 
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:46 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
It's now the site of the new T1. I think it was the first of the original IDL/JFK terminals to be demolished.

Yes, it was the first to go, and by a long time. When the new T1 opened in 1998, the old terminals were all still in use except for Eastern/T1.

The next to go was the IAB/T4, followed by United/T9 (last used by AA), then American/T8, TWA/T5, National/T6 (last used by B6), and now Pan Am/T3 (last used by DL), in that order. The last final two are Northeast-Braniff-Northwest/T2 (used by DL), and BOAC/T7 (still used by BA).

I certainly hope that T2 does not last much longer, as it's a dump and probably the most architecturally uninteresting of the original terminals other than Eastern/T1, which really looked like a bus station (though T2 has that look too). T7 is pretty nice for a 43-year-old terminal, but its days could be numbered too if BA decides to leave for T8. But unlike T2, I can imagine it having a future, whereas T2 should have been gone years ago.
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:49 am

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 11):

The majority of the original T5 still exists and was incorporated into JetBlue's new terminal. The gate portion was demolished because it was simply too small to function in today's world of modern air travel.
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RE: Pan Am "Terminal 2" At JFK, 1970

Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 12):
The majority of the original T5 still exists and was incorporated into JetBlue's new terminal.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "the majority," but yes, part of it (the most important/easiest to save part) still exists. It no longer functions as a terminal though. I certainly wouldn't say it was incorporated into the new T5. It is, at best, connected to it, other than that the connectors have never actually been opened.
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