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Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:30 am

According to the Thai Airways website, the scheduled A380 on BKK-LHR-BKK, which was supposed to enter service from December 1 has been replaced by the existing B744.

It's unclear why this is the case as Thai has not issued an official statement.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ai-to-shelve-a380-plans-for-london
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:42 am

Will they wait for LHR T2 to open?
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:35 am

Galileo is still showing the A380 on the LHR - BKK services eff 1 Dec on the TG 910/911 flight.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:42 am

It's not certain what the reasons are, but if it is indeed a result of overcapacity then I think it's the wrong move. Then they could better lease out one of their LHR slots, replace 1x 744 and 1x A346 with 1x A388, market their A380 product as just as good or even better as their competitors', reducing overall capacity and costs thus raising yields. And after they've established themselves again, they can always reintroduce their second daily flight again.

I understand they don't like to give up frequency, but cancelling 12 flights in May and June (as the article reports) does not do very good for your reputation either...   

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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 2):
Galileo is still showing the A380 on the LHR - BKK services eff 1 Dec on the TG 910/911 flight.

That's interesting. If you check the flights (after Dec 1) with opodo.co.uk or thaiairways.co.uk then both these sites show the aircraft type as a B747.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
understand they don't like to give up frequency, but cancelling 12 flights in May and June (as the article reports) does not do very good for your reputation

It was 12 flights in each direction. A total of 24 flights were cancelled. The link to the flight cancellations is still posted on Thai's UK website:


http://www.thaiairways.co.uk/news/20...in-may-and-june-2013/#.UdGAiDuTi8A
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:17 pm

The route remains loss making I believe? They dropped capacity to the A340-600 recently and have only recently gone back to twice daily B744 and now they want to add capacity with the A380? BA are dropping from a B744 to a single B772 from the winter as well.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:06 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 5):
They dropped capacity to the A340-600 recently and have only recently gone back to twice daily B744 and now they want

If memory serves me right the original swap from 744 to 346 on the LHR route was something to do with a pilot/scope clause dispute and the aircraft on SYD and LHR were basically swapped for a while. My recollection was that it wasn't necessarily connected to overcapacity on the LHR route.

Having said that the downsizing to a 346 maintained more or less the same level of premium seats whilst cutting back on the bucket and spade crowd down the back which you would think might have been better for yields.

Incidentally airline route http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/01/tg-w13update4/ is reporting that the A380 introduction has been cancelled and 744 will continue.

[Edited 2013-07-01 09:54:14]
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:20 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
I understand they don't like to give up frequency, but cancelling 12 flights in May and June (as the article reports) does not do very good for your reputation either...

Singapore Airlines also did this throughout May and June for the SQ319, so nothing of a shock. There is a difference between scheduled and unscheduled cancellations. It is the unscheduled ones which wreck your reputation.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:56 pm

Thai are using recently refurbished 744 frames on the LHR service that have had a new First product installed.

Up to last winter these frames were flown on the Scandinavian leisure routes without a first product.

Those routes now see the use of 77Ws I believe.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:03 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 2):
Galileo is still showing the A380 on the LHR - BKK services eff 1 Dec on the TG 910/911 flight.
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 4):
That's interesting. If you check the flights (after Dec 1) with opodo.co.uk or thaiairways.co.uk then both these sites show the aircraft type as a B747.

TG uses Amadeus and so does Opodo.

Can anybody confirm BA is a 3-class 777 LHR-BKK?
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 8):
Up to last winter these frames were flown on the Scandinavian leisure routes without a first product.

Indeed I needed one of them ! They do seem to be mxing the rest of the B744 fleet in quite nicely. Stand 340 is also A380 capable I am told so the evening rush could accomodate SQ x 2, EK x 2, TG and QF x 2 A380s with some juggling at T3.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 9):
Can anybody confirm BA is a 3-class 777 LHR-BKK?

If confirmed, how could BA sustain with such a premium offer while airlines like AF and SAS have been slashing frequencies and offering higher density a/c to cope with low yields?

Is there that much premium traffic between LHR and BKK?

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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:02 am

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 6):
If memory serves me right the original swap from 744 to 346 on the LHR route was something to do with a pilot/scope clause dispute and the aircraft on SYD and LHR were basically swapped for a while. My recollection was that it wasn't necessarily connected to overcapacity on the LHR route

I've heard the same, I'm not sure what the exact disagreement was about but the decision to shift the 346 from SYD to LHR and 744 from LHR to SYD had everything to do with labour and nothing to do with the market.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
It's not certain what the reasons are, but if it is indeed a result of overcapacity then I think it's the wrong move. Then they could better lease out one of their LHR slots, replace 1x 744 and 1x A346 with 1x A388, market their A380 product as just as good or even better as their competitors', reducing overall capacity and costs thus raising yields. And after they've established themselves again, they can always reintroduce their second daily flight again.

Realistically they need both flights to maintain a competitive connection schedule over BKK
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:20 am

So where will the A380s be used instead? SYD please  
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:43 am

Quoting AF185 (Reply 11):

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 9):
Can anybody confirm BA is a 3-class 777 LHR-BKK?

If confirmed, how could BA sustain with such a premium offer while airlines like AF and SAS have been slashing frequencies and offering higher density a/c to cope with low yields?

Is there that much premium traffic between LHR and BKK?

BA9/10 is still a 744. In late October BA switches to a 3-class 777 (J/W/Y). Once the equipment changes, the schedule also change to a much shorter turnaround at BKK. I guess it would also use less valuable slots at LHR

Current schedule for Summer
BA9 LHR 22:05 BKK 15:20
BA10 BKK 00:20 LHR 06:25

New schedule for Winter
BA9 LHR 15:05 BKK 09:20
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:14 am

5th and 6th frames should run SYD and KIX on daily basis instead of LHR.

LHR to stay 2 daily 747-400 (74N) with open suite and new seats in all classes.

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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:30 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 8):
Thai are using recently refurbished 744 frames on the LHR service that have had a new First product installed.

Up to last winter these frames were flown on the Scandinavian leisure routes without a first product.

Those routes now see the use of 77Ws I believe.

ARN at least is definitely still 744. Not sure if that is due to change though.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:52 am

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 16):
ARN at least is definitely still 744. Not sure if that is due to change though.

It is right now but from the 16th of july the daily TG 960/961 BKK-ARN-BKK will operate with Boeing 777-300ER
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:41 am

Quoting Navigator (Reply 17):
It is right now but from the 16th of july the daily TG 960/961 BKK-ARN-BKK will operate with Boeing 777-300ER

Oh ok, thanks for the info. I didn't realise that was in the works. Will make for an opportunity for me to snap it next time im there then  
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting nethkt (Reply 15):
5th and 6th frames should run SYD and KIX on daily basis instead of LHR.

That's what I have read too.

Delivery of HS-TUE and HS-TUF are slated for October and November respectively.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:52 am

Quoting AF185 (Reply 11):
If confirmed, how could BA sustain with such a premium offer while airlines like AF and SAS have been slashing frequencies and offering higher density a/c to cope with low yields?

It was part of the JV to Australia until recently, it died on it's a*** when that ended. BA009 / 010 is now a BKK terminator. The flight is moving to daylight which is better for those in non premium IMHO.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:12 am

Well the news has just broken that Thai has delayed the A380 LHR route introduction from December 2013 to end October 2014.

The official reason given is because of technical reasons. But as others have noted, it could be that the A380 will be used on the routes to KIX and SYD. Who knows ?


http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...thai-postpones-a380-london-service
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:43 am

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 21):
Well the news has just broken that Thai has delayed the A380 LHR route introduction from December 2013 to end October 2014.

Thanks for sharing. So the reason is duo to "important technical modifications". I now understand what this means I think; their first 4 frames will undergo wing repair after they have taken delivery of HS-TUE and HS-TUF so Thai will be short of airframes to support the LHR route.

This is just a guess of course, but it would make sense.

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Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:04 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
Thanks for sharing. So the reason is duo to "important technical modifications". I now understand what this means I think; their first 4 frames will undergo wing repair after they have taken delivery of HS-TUE and HS-TUF so Thai will be short of airframes to support the LHR route.

Can you please advise where did you get this information?
I'd like to see a reference.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:10 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 9):
Can anybody confirm BA is a 3-class 777 LHR-BKK?

Woof BA must really be reeling from the termination of the QF JV re: BKK flights. Given that 9&10 is now a terminator, the airline is right to downgrade to a 3 class 772 given that the premium demand is simply not there, and with the ME3 undercutting in all cabins it is a prudent move on BA's part. I mean look at the likes of AF that send their Carib leisure configured 773 over to BKK. I wonder what TG's Europe yields look like in general? I know they used to send their old config 744's to Scandinavia and sell their old Biz as Premium Economy and their old F as Biz to try to boost yields on the routes. I wonder if it worked.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 14):
BA9/10 is still a 744. In late October BA switches to a 3-class 777 (J/W/Y). Once the equipment changes, the schedule also change to a much shorter turnaround at BKK. I guess it would also use less valuable slots at LHR

Current schedule for Summer
BA9 LHR 22:05 BKK 15:20
BA10 BKK 00:20 LHR 06:25

New schedule for Winter
BA9 LHR 15:05 BKK 09:20
BA10 BKK 10:55 LHR 16:55

Yeah BKK is now a full on leisure flight. No sense in wasting those valuable slots for such a premium weak discount heavy flight.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:29 pm

QR, EK, EY and to a lesser extent WY: they've all "killed the yields" on the Europe-Thailand routes.

Even LH cannot support a BKK terminator. TG's presence in UK can only be explained by the UK-Oz/NZ traffic.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:18 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 25):
TG's presence in UK can only be explained by the UK-Oz/NZ traffic.

Besides Oz-NZ there are travellers who wish to fly beyond BKK to domestic points in Thailand and also cities in SE Asia. Although here the Gulf airlines are moving into this market too.

Quoting AF185 (Reply 11):
how could BA sustain with such a premium offer while airlines like AF and SAS have been slashing frequencies and offering higher density a/c to cope with low yields?

LHR-BKK with BA is a good route on which to redeem Avios miles. Availability is better than on busier services like LHR-SIN or LHR-HKG. So canny travellers use Avios miles for BKK and then continure elsewhere in the region with a separate, paid-for, ticket.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:37 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 25):
Even LH cannot support a BKK terminator

Where does LH continue on to? Some years ago the flight used to continue to Manila, then it became non stop from FRA on the 744 then it switched oddly to CAN then PUS then dropped all together. LH seemed to have lost the plot with their MNL ops which rather rare for the airline which is known for its shrewd business sense.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 26):
Besides Oz-NZ there are travellers who wish to fly beyond BKK to domestic points in Thailand and also cities in SE Asia. Although here the Gulf airlines are moving into this market too.

TG offers excellent connections and pricing options to Indo-China, East Asia, South East Asia and even to South Asia (despite the backtracking) in addition to Australia and NZ.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 26):
LHR-BKK with BA is a good route on which to redeem Avios miles. Availability is better than on busier services like LHR-SIN or LHR-HKG. So canny travellers use Avios miles for BKK and then continure elsewhere in the region with a separate, paid-for, ticket.

Hardly a sound business argument for BA then, right   I kid, so I suppose BKK to BA is starting to look like Hawaii to AA/UA/DL in that its good for keeping your FF base happy, loading up the F/J cabins with redemptions and filling the back up with the cheapo fares?
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:01 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 27):
Hardly a sound business argument for BA then, right   I kid, so I suppose BKK to BA is starting to look like Hawaii to AA/UA/DL in that its good for keeping your FF base happy, loading up the F/J cabins with redemptions and filling the back up with the cheapo fares?

Many BA Exec Club members complain about problems redeeming Avios miles. For Australia, to take one example, you may have to book one year ahead for an award seat. So you are right in that BKK helps keep Exec Club members happy especially as BKK is such a good gateway to the region.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:29 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 10):
Indeed I needed one of them ! They do seem to be mxing the rest of the B744 fleet in quite nicely. Stand 340 is also A380 capable I am told so the evening rush could accomodate SQ x 2, EK x 2, TG and QF x 2 A380s with some juggling at T3.

The SQ318/319 is now a 77W in the evening. The SQ306/305 is now operated by an A388.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 27):
Where does LH continue on to?

KUL and SGN.


THAI is back to Vienna this winter. http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/01/tg-w13update4/
I think they are playing the non-stop Europe to BKK game to compete with Arabian carriers.

After started OSLO some years ago then they are back to BRU.
And now VIE. (don't talk about AMS due to some situations back in the days)

Will THAI serve the most non-stop European destinations from East Asia during W13?
Helsinki and/or back to Amsterdam (after all those issues)? Dare to dream?
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:49 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 23):
Can you please advise where did you get this information?
I'd like to see a reference

I have no direct evidence but we know that all first 120 A380s in service will must undergo wing repair. EK, LH, CZ and maybe some more airlines already have a few frames out of service for wing repair. Now TG must cancel the LHR route duo to "important technical modifications", which sounds like their first frames will undergo wing repair too.

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Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:46 pm

Well that's just changed since last week (!)

[Edited 2013-07-02 11:49:41]
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:49 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 30):
Will THAI serve the most non-stop European destinations from East Asia during W13?
Helsinki and/or back to Amsterdam (after all those issues)? Dare to dream?

TG did fly to Helsinki in the 80s, along with Dusseldorf and Amsterdam. Barcelona in the 90s. Geneva, Istanbul, and Athens also! Imagine if these detinations are still online, TG would have served more than 20 European cities.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:17 am

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 24):
Yeah BKK is now a full on leisure flight. No sense in wasting those valuable slots for such a premium weak discount heavy flight.

I wonder how long until BKK moves to LGW with the other bucket-and-spade routes?

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 27):
TG offers excellent connections and pricing options to Indo-China, East Asia, South East Asia and even to South Asia (despite the backtracking) in addition to Australia and NZ.

I've flown SYD-LHR both this year and last year, and every time I searched for flights, TG offered poorly priced options. It was undercut by nearly everyone - EK/QF/BA/SQ/CX/VS/CZ. Of course this is only my experience but the fact that two years in a row they weren't competitive on price is pretty telling.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 34):
I've flown SYD-LHR both this year and last year, and every time I searched for flights, TG offered poorly priced options. It was undercut by nearly everyone - EK/QF/BA/SQ/CX/VS/CZ. Of course this is only my experience but the fact that two years in a row they weren't competitive on price is pretty telling.

Their target market ex-Australia is Australia-Thailand O&D - both ethnic VFR and the Phuket/Koh Samui crowd. Europe is therefore a bit of an afterthought for them, and they barely market this route.

In comparison, ex-UK/Europe they are VERY competitive on the Kangaroo Route, with some pretty impressive fares.

I'm not sure why they are so much more competitive one way than the other, but I guess they've figured that Thailand traffic makes more money for them from Australia than Europe does (which is almost certainly true). And they're certainly not the only airline that is cheaper in on direction on the route. For example, EK is almost always cheaper LHR-SYD-LHR than SYD-LHR-SYD, whereas BA practically give away SYD-LHR-SYD like candy but hold some decent yields LHR-SYD-LHR.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:05 pm

Galileo have now changed the TG 910/911 to a 744 and kept the 916/917 as an A346.
How disappointing not to have the 380 to LHR for another year almost.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:22 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
Thanks for sharing. So the reason is duo to "important technical modifications". I now understand what this means I think; their first 4 frames will undergo wing repair after they have taken delivery of HS-TUE and HS-TUF so Thai will be short of airframes to support the LHR route.

This is just a guess of course, but it would make sense.
Quoting nethkt (Reply 23):
Can you please advise where did you get this information?
I'd like to see a reference.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
I have no direct evidence but we know that all first 120 A380s in service will must undergo wing repair. EK, LH, CZ and maybe some more airlines already have a few frames out of service for wing repair. Now TG must cancel the LHR route duo to "important technical modifications", which sounds like their first frames will undergo wing repair too.

The wing repair is now confirmed:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...a380-plan-for-london-route-388018/
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:16 pm

Thai may be ordering more A380's? And Doric may be providing them:

As carriers including Malaysian Airline System Bhd. (MAS) and Thai Airways International Pcl (THAI) consider boosting their A380 fleets, Doric may take jets in 2015 and lease them to operators, Paul Kent, the Dublin-based aircraft lessor’s chief commercial officer said today in London.
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:21 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 38):
Thai may be ordering more A380's?

But that is unrelated to the cancellation of the LHR service.
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 39):
But that is unrelated to the cancellation of the LHR service.

It supports the rationale presented above that the reason for dropping the route is technical and/or LHR specific while reflecting that it is not A380 model specific as they evidently still want/need more. I thought people would put two and two together.

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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting nethkt (Reply 30):
THAI is back to Vienna this winter. http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/01/tg-w13update4/
I think they are playing the non-stop Europe to BKK game to compete with Arabian carriers.

It would be fantastic if THAI operated from Vienna!   

Austrian is expensive and although EVA just joined Star Alliance (now making them an option for me), my wife and I really like Thai and if given the option would fly them as our first choice out of the three airlines flying VIE-BKK.

I'd be grateful if someone could explain to me why it is not possible to book Vienna to Bangkok on Thai currently. On their website they only show the cities they fly to for ticket sales (and VIE is not there). You'd think that they would offer short haul flights to Zurich, Munich, Frankfurt, etc., so that people who want to fly on Thai metal would be able to. They don't even sell VIE-BKK on their website (on the Austrian flight). Doesn't seem like a very smart strategy to ignore points in Europe where they don't fly to.

Another glitch I noted on the Thai website is if you try to book Europe to Pakistan, via Bangkok, they don't show you any fare options. E.g. I tried to book FRA-BKK-ISB and I got an error message. Since there are not a lot of international carriers flying to Pakistan, other than the ME3, THAI is a nice option (widebody service). I have to go there for work and it would be nice to have a holiday in Thailand before coming back from Pakistan.

Aaargh, Thai really need some help to fix these annoying issues. They are losing customers, unnecessarily, in my opinion.   

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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 25):
Even LH cannot support a BKK terminator.

I thought LH's BKK-KUL/SGN service is more for downtime utilization and less for lack filling the plane. How would LH have trouble filling that route when TG is sending 380s to FRA and 744s to MUC (without a JV) ?
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:18 pm

Latest route news from Thai is that it will deploy an A380 on BKK-KIX-BKK for flights TG622 and TG623. The move is effective from October 27.

Flight details with the A380 are now posted on Thai's website

Will these flights be operated by one of the last A380s which Thai is taking delivery of later this year ?

If so then it would seem that commercial reasons are partly behind the decision not to operate the A380 on the LHR route.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:04 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 43):
If so then it would seem that commercial reasons are partly behind the decision not to operate the A380 on the LHR route.

I wondered that too when I read the news on airlineroute.net - but then I thought the flying time to Osaka from BKK is about half that to LHR so maybe its more to do with utilising the A380s more effectively than LHR not being commercially viable with an A380.

Sadly of course whatever the reason it will be disappointing not to see the Thai A380 at LHR for a good while yet.
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:59 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 43):

If so then it would seem that commercial reasons are partly behind the decision not to operate the A380 on the LHR route.

I'm rather confused, why are we talking about commercial reasons and Thai? In the same sentence I mean? They're the Air India of the region  
 
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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:29 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 40):
It supports the rationale presented above that the reason for dropping the route is technical and/or LHR specific while reflecting that it is not A380 model specific as they evidently still want/need more. I thought people would put two and two together.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Thai has enough A380s to start the LHR service, but will have to wait until H2 2014 because their first 4 A380s will be out of service duo to wing repair. It takes 2 months per frame to repair the wings. They will re-launch the LHR service after the repairs have been completed in 2014, long before they will even take new A380s in 2015 or 2016.

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RE: Thai To Postpone A380 Service For London?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:41 pm

Latest news from Thai is that according to its website it will now operate a second A380 service on the BKK-NRT route effective December 1.

The new A380 rostered flights are TG640 and TG641. The existing A380 flights (TG677 + TG676) continue to be flown by an A380 as they do right now.

Will this new A380 service be operated by one of the new A380s joining the Thai fleet ?

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