tonystan
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BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:35 am

BA have confirmed the earlier than reported introduction of the A380 into scheduled service.

It may come as a massive disappointment and indeed anger to anyone who booked a "First flight" ticket for the A380 to LAX and HKG.

The LAX service is now due to commence on September 24th and the HKG on October 22nd.

Unfortunately I don't have information regarding its short haul sectors in August.

B787 services to YYZ commence on Sep 1st with a number if ARN arrives to be operated mid to late August.
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:34 pm

BA made it clear in earlier press releases that the 15 Oct and 15 Nov dates were provisional and were not guaranteed to be the first long haul flights.

I understand that anyone who has booked these dates hoping to be on the first long haul service can rebook to the new dates free of charge.

I would argue that the decision to be cautious with dates is completely fair considering the number of delays and uncertainties the new types have had so far.
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:58 pm

And what will the A380 do between now and Sept 24th? any news on those ¨supposedly¨ European Training flights?

Will they be revenue services? Destinations?

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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:02 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 4):

CDG and FRA I think would be high on the list.
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:17 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 4):
And what will the A380 do between now and Sept 24th? any news on those ¨supposedly¨ European Training flights?

ARN and FRA
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:22 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
CDG and FRA I think would be high on the list.

Reading the other BA A380 threads, they mention FRA and some domestic UK operated jointly by both the A380 and 787...

Now, there´s a link to an article saying BA will sell those flights to customers but will not unveal the actual plane flying the route in order to ¨surprise¨ the passengers turning up to the gate expecting an A320 and be greeted by an A380 or 787.

Come on BA... just tell us where and which flight numbers the A380/787 will operate and I´m sure we a.nutters will crash the BA.com site in seconds 

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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:27 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
CDG and FRA I think would be high on the list.
Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 6):
ARN and FRA

The A380 will operate to FRA. The 787 will operate to ARN. These flights will not be announced beforehand.
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:17 pm

The first flights were always provisional and this was quite clearly stated.
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:28 pm

Sadly that's life in the aviation industry. Just like when AF did the LHR A380 flights and a B777 turned up. Your never guaranteed but hopefully BA will try to accommodate on the new date subject to availability.
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:31 pm

It is unfortunate that some of the Flyer websites whipped people up into a frenzy and those provisional starting dates somehow became accepted as confirmed start dates. That was never the case.

Regrettably, some who snapped up restricted fares will find that there will be a charge to ammend their reservation, if indeed it is possible at all.

By the fact British Airways did not market those initial dates as launch dates makes if pretty obvious that no final decision had been made.

Frustrating, annoying, I am sure, but British Airways have not done anything to deceive or mislead in this instance.

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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:32 pm

Video from Airbus about the BA A380 delivery ceremony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9nq2QCU18E
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
CDG and FRA I think would be high on the list.

BA have announced he 380 will operate to FRA. They have specifically said that the CDG hop is too short to carry out the necessary training.

Initially the 380 CDG flights will be unannounced substitutions for 320 scheduled flights. However if all igoes well some pre-announced 360 FRA flights might be announced. See the quote here:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/ba-confirms-...tm_campaign=latestnews-articleleft
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:41 pm

It would be great if BA gave us a heads up on any of these routes!!
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:48 am

I'm on the YYZ-LHR 767 Flight Aug 9 returning Aug 18 LHR - YYZ, any hope for me?
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:28 am

no chance morrison. none whatsoever
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:36 am

I have booked a flight to Hong Kong but I could not choose a seat on the upper deck. Is that normal?
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:21 am

Quoting tonystan (Thread starter):
The LAX service is now due to commence on September 24th and the HKG on October 22nd.

Nearly 3 months for crew familiarization? Isn't that too much? I don't remember other airlines taking that long.
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:40 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 16):

BA have a habit of cocking up new things!!!! This is possibly a way to prevent that. Also with two new aircraft types entering service at the same time the training teams are stretched to the limits and only so many crew/ground staff etc can be offlined at the busy summer period in order to complete the training!
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:44 am

I wouldn't be surprised if the 787 or 380 pops up at AMS once or twice, since AMS is regularly used by BA as alternate airport.
For crew trainings, I'm sure the flight is to short....I bet they don't even retract the landing gears on flights between LHR & AMS  
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:07 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 17):
BA have a habit of cocking up new things

They don't have to be new things......
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:23 pm

Quoting charliecossie (Reply 19):

Hahaha, yes you're right!!!!!!
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:51 pm

This article (in German) says they will initially operate two daily and later four daily flights to FRA (out of seven). That would mean a pretty high likelihood.
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:27 am

Quoting tonystan (Reply 17):
BA have a habit of cocking up new things!!!!

Compared to who?
T5 - Well that was largely the fault of BAA, not BA.
(But where BA people did fall down on the job there they left the company).

How are the possible strains of taking two new types BA's fault, remember, we were supposed to get our first 787 in 2010. Boeing's fault there.

At least we've taken the A380 unlike the the other prospective UK operator. Remember all Branson's bragging about how he'd be first with the type in UK service. How it would make him the 'flag carrier'. What happened there Dicky? Ego bigger than your airline?
2018 now for them? Don't hold your breath.

(The times I've had people ask about what happened to the more outlandish features that the A380's cabin was to have - you have to tell them, that wasn't claims by Airbus, it was Branson, so as is often the case, BS).

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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:38 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 22):

Not to stray off topic too much bit it was BA staff who had not been trained on how to get from A to B in T5 on day one, it was BA loaders who could not operate the baggage system on day one, it was BA staff who where unfamiliar with the allocation system on day one......

....I was there, in the thick of it....."the buck stops with me" was the quite of the BA CEO!!!!! Sounds like an admission of guilt and not from the BAA!
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:16 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 23):
Not to stray off topic too much bit it was BA staff who had not been trained on how to get from A to B in T5 on day one, it was BA loaders who could not operate the baggage system on day one, it was BA staff who where unfamiliar with the allocation system on day one......

....I was there, in the thick of it....."the buck stops with me" was the quite of the BA CEO!!!!! Sounds like an admission of guilt and not from the BAA!

That's how it seemed at first, Walsh had to show contrition in the media frenzy, it was his customers being affected after all. Then we found out about the flaws in the baggage system and that was largely a BAA responsibility. BA's too, in part, but not ALL BA, far from it. That's not the media narrative however.
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LHR T5 is far from the only major airport project to run into serious problems at first. Something else that was lost in the story, context.
But look what happened once T5 settled down, BA's punctuality improved hugely.
(Causing BMI to drop their marketing boasts about it's punctuality out of LHR).
So before, BA's poor and declining punctuality HAD been due to the conditions of operating out of the overcrowded T4. Not that many BA critics ever accepted it at the time.
But it is the fate of airlines to have to take the rap for problems with an airport, as well as ones that are their fault.

Back to A380's, we knew something was up with VS when the A380 development aircraft made the type's first landing at LHR in 2006 I think.
A certain high profile airline CEO was not there for the media coverage, most out of character for him.
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:22 am

I can see why they want to do it this way. If anything goes wrong then they'll only have 200 or so passengers to deal with and they can quickly sub in an A320, rather than having to deal with 400 disappointed aviation enthusiasts that will be grumbling about how they paid for an A380 and got ripped off. They can sort out all of the technical issues in their own time and do whatever they need to do on the ground, and whenever they are ready to fly they can just sub it in.
 
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RE: BA A380 First Flights Brought Forward

Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:46 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 16):
Nearly 3 months for crew familiarization? Isn't that too much? I don't remember other airlines taking that long.

It is also a matter of taking delivery of enough frames of each type in order to be able to operate the routes that are being promoted. And don't forget the other operators were in a competitive frenzy to get up and running quickly for publicity reasons, whereas BA now has the luxury of being able to take its time and making absolutely sure that they are ready.

I've read that the B.787 will be used on the daily B.767 ARN flight through the last three weeks of August, and the A.380 likewise to FRA. Can that be substantiated? You can work out the actual flight numbers from that, if it's true...

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