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https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw
 
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From doors 3 forward the fuselage looks to have been decimated by fire. Seems like L4 has been ripped off and the left and right engines have sheared off. The tail seems to have broken away around the area of the aft pressure bulkhead.
 
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Could that really have flipped/cartwheeled? nose is undamaged, and initial photos show the roofline mostly intact (later photos show fire damage through the roof)...
 
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How often to tail strikes occur on landing? Tail strikes on take off seem far more common. Hope everyone is OK - completely shocking.
 
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Quoting nycdave (Reply 103):
Could that really have flipped/cartwheeled? nose is undamaged, and initial photos show the roofline mostly intact (later photos show fire damage through the roof)...

It did not flip.
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Hi guys,

I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

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Photo © Sergey Rimsha



Here's the most recent pic on a.net.

Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?
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Quoting RayChuang (Reply 92):
Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.

Surely if it flipped and ended up back on its belly, then the wings would be detacted and more fuselarge brackages.
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http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg7KARCIAALbJS.jpg:large

Wow, it almost completely burned down.
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:41 pm

Amazing that we are seeing these images so quickly due to the immense power of media, social media and mobile phones. Damage looks worse in the later pictures, but maybe lots of pax off before fire became intense.
 
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Sorry if it has already been posted but live feed from over head. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...n-francisco-airport?lite&gt1=43001

Prayers to all involved and that everyone survived!
 
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Second hull loss of a B777 - but this is secondary to the injured and possibly fatally injured.

Seems to me that:

- The plane obviously suffered a severely hard landing or lost control after a normal landing (maybe it bounced?)
- The tail and tail section is seperated from the main fuselage, presumably it is still on or near the runway
- The fuselage appears to be intact from nose to tail, except for missing tail cone section and rear empennage
- Fire was the big problem after landing

Hopefully everybody escaped similar to the AF Airbus A343 crash at YYZ in 2005. That's the main hope now.
Let's hope nobody was injured to the point that they could not get off the plane and that there was enough time before the fire and smoke enveloped the fuselage.

God Bless all passengers and crew, especially those sitting toward the very rear.
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:42 pm

I won't pretend to know much about the construction of the 777, but just looking at the pictures I'm astounded how cleanly the tail section broke off.
 
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It's amazing to me the things that CNN is reporting. They're reporting that it "cartwheeled", the "wings broke off". All of this while they are showing the wings intact on Live TV... reporting FAIL. They'd be better off quoting a.net.

What I would like to know is WTF happened to the tail section?!
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:42 pm

Looking at the SkyNews broadcast, and the video footage.... it looks like a wheel caught the sea wall at the start of the runway/stopway/clearway area.
 
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Tail is just before the threshold.
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Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 86):
The last door is open as well, so that looks like people got off all the way to the back. Let's hope they were all that lucky.

Good thing that the aft section did not break. That would have been worse.
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:43 pm

From the debris it looks like it landed short of the threshold, as did the BA B772 a few years ago.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:49:08]
 
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Looks like the aircraft hit the end of the runway by the water. Landed well short!
 
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Quoting RayChuang (Reply 92):
given the fact the plane did flip over

Do we know it flipped?

Not a physicist or engineer, but I can't figure out how it could "flip" and then end up right side up. The wings appear to be still attached so it wasn't a "rolling pin" fuselage situation.

Looking at where the aircraft ended up, it is far left of the runway and there is a substantial debris field before the displaced threshold of 28L. Looks like it landed tail first before the threshold and skidded leftward.

Listening to the LiveATC archive right now. Scary as hell. Major A+ to the ATC controller on duty - deserves a pat on the back for that one.
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:43 pm

From video being shown now on KTVU, looks like tail may have struck seawall at beginning of runway. Debris is scattered along threshold. looks like horizontal stabilizers are laying on the threshold.
Look, it's been swell, but the swelling's gone down.
 
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They just showed the "impact point" at the runway threshhold. The horizontal stabilizers and the vertical stabilizer are on the runway with a trail of debris leading to the current resting place of the fuselage.........looks like a very hard landing that snapped the tail off........
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):
Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?

Asiana does not have any B777-200(LR)s. This is a B777-28E(ER), delivered to Asiana on March 3, 2006. One out of twelve they have in their fleet.

Maybe he got confused by the schedule displays which show "77L" in GDSs for some Asiana flights as they use this for one type of cabin configuration. They are all B777-200(ER)s though.
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Looks as though the landing gear clipped the edge of the runway that mets the water. Image just from CNN.
 
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The picture they just showed on ABC news looks like the tail hit the sea wall short of the threshold. The stabilizers are sitting on the runway still on the arrows. Lots of debris at the threshold.
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Viewing TV, looks like the aircraft struck the sea wall before the runway, landed short? Why?
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):

Dont know but as far as I know Asiana dosent have -200LR right?

amazing people took there time to take out their stuff from the overhead bins!

Hope everyone is ok.
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Debris well before the piano keys. Looks like it landed short.
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Looks like heavy bounce and slide damage to me
 
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Looking at pics on CNN, debris started way before the threshold right on the edge of the water before runway started. Speculation of course but that says a lot about what might have caused it.
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This plane did not cartwheel.... People need to stop reporting that .... My guess is that everyone got out of this airplane with just minor injuries ... crossed fingers ...
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:45 pm

Looking at the live footage on CNN after the crash, it looks like the aircraft hit the ground right where the edge of the airport property meets the water which would suggest that the tail sheered off there. Looks like it just barely even made it to the airport threshold.
 
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Quoting NDiesel (Reply 108):

Hi guys,

I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:45 pm

The picture of the plane on Wikipedia has 'Extended Range' painted on the rear fuselage, just aft of L4 door. So, is it a LR or ER?
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:46 pm

Fox News has dug up some former NTSB investigator that sounds like he last worked a crash about 30 years ago and isn't anywhere near a TV or computer.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 93):
Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.

The initial reports of the a/c flipping over seem to be incorrect since the plane ended up on its' belly and not on its' back. Eyewitness reports are also confirming that it did not flip over as early reports stated.
 
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WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better posting a job on a.net than using the fools who have taken up position behind a camera and microphone to report on this accident.
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Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):

ER
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I've always wondered: how is customs and immigration handled after a crash like this? Will the passengers be brought to immigration from the crash site and then clear and then be brought to hospitals? Sounds like a stupid question, but actually, if something goes wrong and you end up in a hospital without clearing immigration first, you'll probably get problems on future visits to the USA, including being ineligible to ever use the Visa Waiver program again.

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Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):
So, is it a LR or ER?

(ER).
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:47 pm

Anyone else think he got slow and just had an abnormal sink rate. It looks like the debris field starts way short of the normal touchdown zone. Hits the tail and rips it off?
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:47 pm

Reminds me of BA38 a few years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38
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It looks like only two slides deployed...what's the evacuation rate/door for a 772?
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I don't think it was the tail that hit the sea wall, the damage is off the centre line, it would have been the starboard nacelle, gear or trailing edge flap....
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:47 pm

Quoting freeze3192 (Reply 53):
LiveATC SFO:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 57):
Picture of the crash landing itself:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg1QPuCE...large

From the Live ATC audio and other information, it appears that the UA 744 in the picture is UA885 waiting for 28R. It appears they witnessed it and even spotted some people on 28L.

Looking at flight aware, it appears that Ua885 actually took off and left minutes afterwards. I'm surprised the aircraft wasn't taken back to the gate to be inspected for any damage...
 
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The video of the seawall and the debris is very telling. That runway will be closed for a while as they analyze the debris field. This appears to be the crux of the investigation.

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