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nicholasjet
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:40 pm

Quoting bendewire (Reply 47):
the Titanic .... had there [sic] issues



Understatement of the day!
 
NYC777
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:40 pm

Quoting kazim786 (Reply 46):

I'm sensing a grounding of all 787s in the looming.

Based on what? We don't know what started this fire. It was parked at a remote stand, and (should be) powered down as it was 3- 4 hours away from departing LHR.
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ThomasCook
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:40 pm

The fuselage is charred by the tail left hand side.

See BBC World News now.

[Edited 2013-07-12 09:41:28]

[Edited 2013-07-12 09:41:55]
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:40 pm

This is an interesting shot:

 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:40 pm

Quoting TimRees (Reply 55):
Why is the entire airport shut if the fire was on a stand?

Not enough fire fighters left to cover departures and arrivals if there was a second emergency.
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting mcdu (Reply 52):
Based on previous post about UA troubles with the 787, it must be UA's fault that this plane had a fire. Either the UA pilots or mechanics have to be the cause

Give it a break already. This incident or the others in no way explains why UA has had much inferior dispatch reliability with the 787 than other carriers.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:41 pm

If the aircraft is parked on stand, why are the runways closed?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 56):
Pardon my ignorance, but where are the batteries located?

The main battery is located near the front of the aircraft, while the APU battery is located in the aft cargo compartment.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:41 pm

Hopefully it's not the battery issue again...

Quoting TimRees (Reply 55):
Why is the entire airport shut if the fire was on a stand?

Fire department is occupied with this aircraft, hence not able to respond if another accident occurs.

Edit: AeroWesty beat me to it  Smile

[Edited 2013-07-12 09:42:50]
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:42 pm

IF this fire has been caused because of some part of the aircraft/battery etc. then can airlines jump ship and cancel their 787 orders? I'd feel especially bad for airlines who've been desperately waiting to get their hands on the 787 to phase out their older planes and begin expanding their network.

Hopefully this incident won't be too damaging.
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:42 pm

It's all so bad... OZ 777, ET 787 and French authorities report a TGV crach. Unconfirmed.
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:42 pm

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 63):
If the aircraft is parked on stand, why are the runways closed?

Fire crews in attendance, won't be able to cover another emergency so standard procedures until they return to base and are fully available again.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:42 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 55):
Pardon my ignorance, but where are the batteries located?

Just aft of the right wing for one battery and right under the cockpit for the second.
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Burn Marks

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff468/davidspalton/photo1.jpg
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:43 pm

Local London Fire Brigade units are also in attendance, so hopefully the airport services can stand down shortly and 'normal' operations can resume
?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:44 pm

I dont know if it's connected, but a few police cars have just gone in airside via T5 security gate on blues n twos.
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:44 pm

Quoting e195 (Reply 69):

Burn Marks

That's from the left side, different perspective, looks quite a bit more serious as compared to the previous photos  
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 67):
TGV crach

Good god, is this Final Destination week? Did someone not tell me?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:45 pm

I can not see the charring.

I would be interested to know what that access cover is that the fireman seems to be checking.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 72):
That's from the left side, different perspective, looks quite a bit more serious as compared to the previous photos

Quite so,
wonder if someone left something in the ovens?

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koruman
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:45 pm

The 787 seems fairly safe, except when its on the ground.

Seriously, with the Comet all they had to do was reshape the windows. But with the 787, not only does nobody understand what is causing the fires, the entire airplane is made of a material whose fire-resistance is essentially unknown.

How many weeks did they get back after the last grounding?

I think Airbus needs to be redesigning the 350 as an aluminium tube, yesterday, to get all the orders that the 787 will now lose as an unacceptable risk.

The comparison to Comet is reasonable, but the financial consequences will be like Concorde: an exceptional airplane that airlines can't afford to take the financial risk on.

Very sad. Boeing just took too many risks: an innovative design plus an innovative supply chain which is hard to control, plus self-regulation.

Worryingly, the F-35 has taken similar industrial risks.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting e195 (Reply 69):

Burn Marks

Very blurry, but looks quite substantial?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 56):
And then there's this:

http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...n=rss

That was from July 10th.
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Wouldn't it have been better to use old (proven) technology in regard to batteries, especially as these types of batteries have caused crashes in the past, UPS744 Dubai comes to mind. It seems a bit of a step too far to have used them as part of the systems of a new aircraft. I know OEMs have to evolve when it comes new designs, but with the problems in the recent past...
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Heathrow accepting arrivals again as of 1740 ish. Good job by HAL Fire and ATC.
?
 
nicholasjet
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

where is the battery located?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Aircraft is on stand 592.....
Directly next door to the Fire Station
It's not normally towed back until gone 7pm in the evening..

Must say, it doesn't look too good for the 787 right at this moment...!
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Seems like one of the pix shows the firefighters opening the cargo doors.

Those burn marks look very interesting indeed, given they are in the roof.

Not a good day for transport at all.
 
NYC777
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Looks like it was in the aft part of the cabin. I wonder what's there?
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

That looks bad - for it to burn through the skin like that. Looks like that aircraft isn't going anywhere - how would Boeing repair that area?

Air conditioning perhaps?

Maybe the OP should change the title to ET 787 on fire at Heathrow.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 74):

I can not see the charring.

I would be interested to know what that access cover is that the fireman seems to be checking.


Cargo door lock...
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:48 pm

If there's smoke damage on the top of the aircraft, could it be a different electrical problem?

I'm not saying that's any better considering how reliant this A/C is on electronics.. but, maybe not a battery issue?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting bendewire (Reply 45):
The 787 is at the forefront of aircraft design and like most new technology it will experience problems Apollo 13, the Titanic the A380 all had there issues

Yes, as I recall the Titanic's teething problems involved it sinking two miles to the bottom of the Atlantic
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:49 pm

Just been watching this on BBC News.. looks like some quite bad scorching to the top of the fuselage slightly forward of the tail.

I'm sure this really isn't the kind of publicity that Boeing are enjoying...

Does anyone know anything about the TOM flight that just returned to MAN? I know it's G-TUIC.
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[Edited 2013-07-12 09:49:33]
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:49 pm

Sorry for the 787, but I'm loving the diverted traffic coming past the window into STN. Just seen a Kuwait A343. Glad I'm not at work though!
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Ronaldo747
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:49 pm

What's located there? crew rest?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 83):
Looks like it was in the aft part of the cabin. I wonder what's there?

The APU battery is located in the aft cargo hold, while the burn marks appear to be on the top of the aircraft. Not sure if a battery fire would be able to burn that high up.
 
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Better pic..?

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff468/davidspalton/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20lee%20adamss%20MacBook%20Air/etz.jpg
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Those burn marks look bad.

Just as well that this plane was on the ground.

How close is this to the aft pressure bulkhead.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:50 pm

Would a battery fire cause scorching on the top of the airplane?
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting OllieJolly (Reply 88):
Does anyone know anything about the TOM flight that just returned to MAN? I know it's G-TUIC.
Forgive me if someone has said something and I missed it.

Another thread ongoing on this one
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:50 pm

LHR opened again... Lufthansa was the first to land a couple of minutes ago
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting RJA321 (Reply 66):
IF this fire has been caused because of some part of the aircraft/battery etc. then can airlines jump ship and cancel their 787 orders?

The trouble is that there is very little competition. Airbus can't fill all the orders with A350 variants.

Boeing stock is down 6.6%. Even though the cause is unknown, it seems as if investors already have decided that it is a design issue again and are anticipating another grounding.
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting TimRees (Reply 54):
Anyone know what's going on?

The London Fire service is on route to LHR to assist, this should free up the airport engines so that there is cover again and take off and landings can begin again. Sorry you are suck on a friday night, how about doing a Trip Report for us to pass the time.  
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:52 pm

Quoting e195 (Reply 91):
Better pic..?

Don't know how composites handle burns or skin repairs... looks pretty bad, hopefully not an economical write-off of this shell.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:53 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 64):
It's all so bad... OZ 777, ET 787 and French authorities report a TGV crach. Unconfirmed.

Crash confirmed; Paris to Limoges with 350 on board. Casualties reported but no figures yet.

Not a good week for the world  
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:53 pm

Quoting e195 (Reply 69):
Burn Marks
Quoting e195 (Reply 91):
Better pic..?

Fire in the rear galley?
 
tonystan
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Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:53 pm

A day after I completed my training! Ahwell!!!!


Think ill go book a ticket for Titanic 2, ill have more luck!

[Edited 2013-07-12 09:57:17]
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Well, according to seatguru there is the galley.

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