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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:08 pm

Just looked at a 787 cut-away drawing on the Web and it definitely looked like the area affected is right above the crew rest.

Still can't guess if the fire would be in the crew rest area. But my best guess is the fire would be in the area between the crew rest and the roof. Thus, any heat generated would be trapped thus more likely damage the crown. If the fire was in the crew rest, then the crew rest composite panel would be sufficient to contain the fire (trash fire).

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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:09 pm

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 48):
Thompson

That's just a diversion like other 787 carries are facing in the beginning, nothing wrong here.
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:09 pm

I offer a really wild guess....Please,no flaming. Did anybody notice the plane is "The Queen of Sheba"? OMG the drama...the drama ......But seriously....Who noticed the fire first? Was there access to the aircraft, ie open or unlocked door and a set of steps.? Could a MTX guy have come aboard, turned on systems,to run down write ups? OR someone or someones doing some hanky panky when they couldn't be caught. And it got out of hand........Just another thought?        
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Assuming that the Aircraft is not a write off, where at LHR do we thnk the repairs will take place to at least make her airworthy again assuming final repairs etc are carried out elsewhere?

Would this be at the BA Base or the Virgin Hanger - I cant think of anywhere else at the airport
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 48):

I don't understand something... why these battery / electrical wire issue things never appear during their flight test?

This month is a bad month for transportation business... Asiana, ET, Thompson, Train Crash, Train Explode... all withing few days apart...


They where quite a number of reported smoke/fire incidents during the flight test programme!!!!
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:12 pm

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 48):
why these battery / electrical wire issue things never appear during their flight test?

Boeing in fact faced electrical issues during testing. There was an in-flight fire, and another one started smoking while being parked on the tarmac. I believe this was in 2010.
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:15 pm

Nice photo of the crew rest area:
http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos/view/...04b5595e25827767f2254-IMG_3448.JPG
Only electric installation you see there is the lighting? Probably those must be powered even when the aircraft is powered down?
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:16 pm

Quoting ollyhuk (Reply 54):
Assuming that the Aircraft is not a write off, where at LHR do we thnk the repairs will take place to at least make her airworthy again assuming final repairs etc are carried out elsewhere?

Would this be at the BA Base or the Virgin Hanger - I cant think of anywhere else at the airport


BA cathedral hangar most likely.
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:18 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 19):
If that's what happened here, the 787 must really consider itself one of the most unlucky aircraft in the world!  

That would be something, considering the '8' in 787 was put there to signify just the opposite. (IIRC).
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:18 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 56):
Boeing in fact faced electrical issues during testing. There was an in-flight fire, and another one started smoking while being parked on the tarmac. I believe this was in 2010.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 56):
They where quite a number of reported smoke/fire incidents during the flight test programme!!!!

Did they manage to fix it during their test flight period? I can't believe they put this plane on the air now with all the trouble. I fear it's going to take a very long time to figure all this out. I never try 787 before but probably never until they get it fixed 100%.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:20 pm

Please don't hammer me for an obvious question: As some airlines still allow smoking, I assume that the crew rest cabin was specifically designed to allow tobacco ventilation & fire retardance for a dropped cigarette? Just because the mattress may be fire retardant doesn't mean that a crew member's favorite blanket or pillow from home is.

[Edited 2013-07-12 12:22:09]
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:21 pm

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 60):
Did they manage to fix it during their test flight period?

Yes, Boeing even re-designed a part of the electrical system which had delayed the EIS by 6 months.
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:23 pm

Ethiopian doesnt have crew rest on the 787
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:26 pm

Quoting o0OOO0oChris (Reply 57):
Only electric installation you see there is the lighting? Probably those must be powered even when the aircraft is powered down?

Powered off when it's turned OFF or the airplane is powered down.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:27 pm

13 (2013) is definately unlucky for the 787. Fingers crossed this is unrelated teething problem that can be resolved but not good news for a new plane.

I think the 787 is going to cause this Anet forum to combust if we have much more bad news on the dreamliner.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:27 pm

Quoting dkny (Reply 63):
Ethiopian doesnt have crew rest on the 787

Also not in the front section of the plane?
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:28 pm

Quoting asetiadi (Reply 48):
Thompson

...what is the answer to the question "what is the most often misspelled name of any airline"

Quoting CO953 (Reply 61):
As some airlines still allow smoking

news to me. They may have ash trays but that is because the only thing worse than people smoking on aircraft is not having a place to put the butt after they are done.

tortugamon

[Edited 2013-07-12 12:53:18]
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 66):

Nope ET has no crew rest area on the 787. Dont know why as the plane does long haul flights
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 55):
They where quite a number of reported smoke/fire incidents during the flight test programme!!!!

There was only one. The P100 panel issue.
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:33 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 67):
"what is the most often misspelled name of any airline"

Tied with Qantas...
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:34 pm

Quoting dkny (Reply 67):
Nope ET has no crew rest area on the 787

Ok, thanks.

Quoting dkny (Reply 67):
Dont know why as the plane does long haul flights

Yes that's pretty odd for a long-haul airplane. I would love to know why this is.

[Edited 2013-07-12 12:35:16]
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:38 pm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...9/history/20130712/1835Z/KDEN/RJAA

Well, the daily UA 787 (UA 139) to Tokyo just departed DEN about 20 minutes ago, so it seems some 787 ops are unaffected for now.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:38 pm

It seems that there's nothing but one problem after another with 787!

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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 46):
The NTSB should have its best brains assist with this. After all is said and done, the 777 is a proven aircraft and I don't think anyone seriously thinks it is the aircraft itself that caused Asiana 214 to hit the seawall. The 787 on the other hand really needs to be better studied and understood, the risks are much higher.

The risks of pilot error and malformed interaction between humans and aircraft systems are, and always have been, the greatest risks in aviation. And those just happen to be the focus of inquiry in the Asiana accident right now. The Asiana accident also had a massive emergency response that needs to be studied.

Studying and understanding the 787 is really the FAA's job pre-certification. The NTSB's job is to study and understand major incidents and accidents in order to prevent recurrences in the future. They will assist with this investigation because it's a US-built plane and they will need to know if any recommendations need to be made to the FAA. But the FAA's the agency that certified the plane and it's not up to the NTSB to go over the 787 with a fine tooth comb now in order to make sure it's safe - that was supposed to be done already.
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 69):
Tied with Qantas...

such a hard name for an airline....   

I believe there is more than just 2...
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:41 pm

Oh ghad... I come out of a bad meeting and go onto a.net to relax and then this!  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
Fire is never good.

   And I'm a combustion engineer! Fire in the combustor and really only the 'dome' area and a bit after the 'jets.' No where else should it be...

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 7):
The batteries contain a finite amount of chemical potential energy that can be calculated with precision.

   I would be surprised if it was a battery. But that does not exonerate Boeing by any means...

Quoting DUSdude (Reply 14):
And not to forget: it's not like maintenance and cleaning crews have not in the past set fire to pefectly safe and functional aircraft before.

   That would suck..

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
Deborah already responded:

   Great line...

Quoting tonystan (Reply 39):
Looks more like several holes have burnt through the skin!!!! That's not mere paint peeling back!
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 42):
Paint burning indicates temperatures in excess of 250*F, no?

The holes indicate good old 451F was broken. That was some amount of energy...

Heathrow reopened:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/12/world/...-heathrow-airplane-fire/?hpt=tr_c2

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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:45 pm

Lets hope the 787 doesn't get grounded again, that would be sad.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:46 pm

Quoting dkny (Reply 67):
Nope ET has no crew rest area on the 787. Dont know why as the plane does long haul flights

Well that throws all the "crew personal electronics" started the fire then... So what is this area of the 787 can cause fire or heat enough for this to happen?
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:48 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 77):
Well that throws all the "crew personal electronics" started the fire then... So what is this area of the 787 can cause fire or heat enough for this to happen?

The galley?
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:48 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 77):
Well that throws all the "crew personal electronics" started the fire then... So what is this area of the 787 can cause fire or heat enough for this to happen?

Maybe just wiring underneath the roof?

[Edited 2013-07-12 12:50:27]
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:49 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 66):
Quoting CO953 (Reply 61):
As some airlines still allow smoking

news to me. They may have ash trays but that is because the only thing worse then people smoking on aircraft is not having to put the butt after they are done smoking.

tortugamon

I'm sorry I had thought there were still a couple "smoking" airlines.... I remember how bad the smoke was on Thai in '96 flying into Dhaka - but I should have checked first before posting.

My greater point is that sometimes people/cabin cleaners, etc. will smoke on planes on the ground - rules or not - and so given the tempting haven of a crew rest module, with mattresses, etc., I guess and hope that Boeing designed the crew-rest area specifically to protect against a dropped cigarette setting fire to a non-fire-retardant blanket brought from home. As well, some brands of cigarettes still are not the prevailing newer type which extinguish themselves after a bit. We used to play pranks with fireworks when I was younger using Marlboros as fuses.

But if it's true that Ethiopian doesnt have an aft crew module, then I suppose it's moot.

[Edited 2013-07-12 12:51:07]

[Edited 2013-07-12 12:51:54]
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting CO953 (Reply 80):
But if it's true that Ethiopian doesnt have an aft crew module, them I suppose it's moot.

And you also should consider the fact that this aircraft already sat there for 8 hours.
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:54 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 78):
The galley?

The galley seems to be intact in the photos, or at least the part one can see through the open door.


If it is a wiring fault, would not that be a more serious issue?
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:55 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 82):
If it is a wiring fault, would not that be a more serious issue?

Oh yes!
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:56 pm

Hi all,
No time to read the whole thing so apologies if anything I post has been posted already.
A close relative of mine was first on scene as he is a firefighter at LHR.
So far all I have got out of him is that the fire was in the roof of the plane.
I just txt'd him for more details. Soon as I know I'll let you know.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:57 pm

Four hours now, any word on when a press conference might be held to review what happened to the plane to put speculation to rest?
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:58 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 81):
And you also should consider the fact that this aircraft already sat there for 8 hours.

Yes, true... I just thought that during that 8 hours someone may have decided to take a nap or chill out upstairs. Even without the rest module, it will be interesting to see surveillance vid as to the last time anyone was seen entering or exiting the aircraft, and what systems were drawing voltage.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:58 pm

What about the IFE system? Perhaps there could be part of the IFE equipment up there.

[Edited 2013-07-12 13:01:34]
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:59 pm

Quoting bcal dc10 (Reply 84):
So far all I have got out of him is that the fire was in the roof of the plane.

If this is true, the 787 will be grounded again!
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:59 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 82):
If it is a wiring fault, would not that be a more serious issue?

Looking at the diagram in Reply 30, it seems two other possible sources of problems are close to that area -- the remote power distribution units (which seem to be located exactly in the region that is burnt) and the APU starter generators (a little further back).

The remote power distribution units will likely be one of the first things that are examined as part of the investigation.

Not a good thing at all, because in pretty much every scenario it suggests a new unknown unknown.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting bcal dc10 (Reply 84):
So far all I have got out of him is that the fire was in the roof of the plane.

Wiring is located just underneath the roof.

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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting o0OOO0oChris (Reply 56):

Nice photo of the crew rest area:
http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos/view/...04b5595e25827767f2254-IMG_3448.JPG
Only electric installation you see there is the lighting? Probably those must be powered even when the aircraft is powered down?

That is the Flight Crew Compartment, not the Flight Attendant Rest Compartment, no? It's in the front of the AC?
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:03 pm

I've scanned the 2 threads, but does anyone know who reported the fire in the first place, or was it just that someone in the fire station next door glanced out the window and saw smoke where there shouldn't be smoke?
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:03 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 79):
Maybe just wiring underneath the roof?

Maybe, and if the aircraft insulation is not fiberglass, but rather polyester, then the insulation could have caught fire caused by arcing wire.

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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:04 pm

If ET has no Crew Rest Area, then what IS there instead?.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:04 pm

At this rate the 797 will be redesigned to use pulleys and cables to operate all moving parts, A/C units will be replaced by handheld fans, the APU will be a family of hamsters in series, the cabin crew will be using cardboard megaphones, and communications will be by semaphore.

I wish the Boeing guys and gals well & hope it's a one-off.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:06 pm

Poor Boeing. Whatever the cause, the 787 is looking like a lane duck...

aside from the cause of thus, is there any reason why they didn't change the battery type? Yes weight is an issue, but so are burning planes...
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:08 pm

Quoting liquidair (Reply 96):
is there any reason why they didn't change the battery type?

AFAIK they can't, because of the different electrical architecture in the 787. The normal batteries are not strong enough.

[Edited 2013-07-12 13:11:02]
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:09 pm

What does this newest incident tells me just as a potential 787 passenger, apart from the cause? The 787 is a scary and uncertain design, made of plastic, catching fire. It gives me an unreliable, unpredictable feeling. When I book a flight I want to have 100% guarantee not flying with a 787. Book me on a 777 which design proofed to be very strong after seeing the Asiana-mishap landing video.
 
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RE: ET 787 On Fire At Heathrow Part 2

Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting liquidair (Reply 96):
aside from the cause of thus, is there any reason why they didn't change the battery type? Yes weight is an issue, but so are burning planes...

And how do you know this incident is related to the batteries?
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