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Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:45 am

Will VS ever take delivery of the A380? They have delayed it for a few times. What are the proposed routes? LHR-HKG-SYD? LHR-JFK? LHR-LAX? LHR-MIA? LHR-JNB?
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:48 am

I harbor my doubts that they will do so...
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:50 am

They didn't cancel them though.

If BA has it VS will find itself hard to compete without the A380
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:55 am

I suspect input from the DL team and airline economics will cause VS to delay further or cancel the A380s. It's a different world.
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:09 am

I do believe they will indeed take delivery of the A380. When is the question?

I do believe it was suppose to be in 2015 but I check Wikipedia and it says 2018 on "A380 orders and deliveries". But on the page for VS on Wikipedia it says 2015. So a bit confusing..  

"We currently operate Boeing 747 and Airbus A340 aircraft. We have also ordered six Airbus A380 aircraft, due to be delivered from 2015." from VirginAtlantic.com ( http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb/allaboutus/ourfleet/index.jsp )

LHR-JFK, LHR-LAX, and LHR-MIA are my guesses for the US.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A380_orders_and_deliveries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Atlantic_Airways#Fleet

Looks nice..
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:13 am

I believe they will. I can see among others LHR - SFO, LAX, Hong Kong as viable routes.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:35 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 4):
Looks nice..

As a Airbus fan the 380 in VS livery looks bloody awful  

the cherryred colour is awesome but the big letters......  no 

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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:36 am

2018 now? Just the 10 year delay then - if you account for the delayed service entry for the A380. I think 2006 was the original date.

So no, I don't think they will.

One part of me regrets that a second UK operator is not likely to ever fly the type, another remembers all the BS Branson spouted when he ordered the A380 in 2001. Usual stuff, wild exaggerations about the cabin facilities they'd have, usual sneers at BA, who did not order until 2007.
Who has the sneering rights now?

We knew something was up when Airbus flew the A380 into LHR for the first time in 2006, quite an event but guess who was not there for the PR?
So not even linked with Delta.

I suggested to the guy who was organising the BA delivery event that Branson be put on the invite list, a possible newspaper ad too, 'British Airways - the UK's virgin A380 airline.'
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:03 am

I don't think they will take the A380's. I think we will see them convert the deposits for A350-1000's.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:22 am

Guess 4 engines 4 long haul wont apply to VS in a few years. Maybe something for BA to use?  
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:07 am

I'd put my money on Airbus allowing VS cancellation of A380 order in exchange for purchase of A350-1000s to replace their 747s and A340-600s. If VS survives, of course...
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:19 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 10):
If VS survives, of course...

And why wouldn't they? They have a decent enough cash balance and neither of the 2 share holders are short of cash.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:44 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
They didn't cancel them though.

Canceling is not easy because they will lose their deposits, but they could swap it for another aircraft type maybe.
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:58 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
If BA has it VS will find itself hard to compete without the A380

SERIOUSLY? Even BA is only taking a handful. Virgin have already downsized from the A346 to the smaller A333 at LHR and sold a LGW B744, the Carribean routes are suffering from APD and the focus on Africa has not worked out.

The JV with Delta means a pooling of resources and a balanced A333 / B764 product to major US cities, quite how many A380s you would need for that is a good question. Frequency is king for JFK so for the sake of taking out a LAX frequency, that's not a business case for a massively expensive sub fleet of giant aircraft. There are only five B744s based at LHR and HKG remains an A346 route. So even if all LHR based B744s were replaced on a one for one basis, you'd have a huge exepnse of having a small fleet of new enormous aircraft. Virgin have to survivie comercially, they're not like Malaysia, Thai or Korean Air.

There's no way they'd be neede at Gatwick outside the school holidays either IMHO.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 5):
Hong Kong as viable routes.

Against Cathay at five a day on the B77W and BA at twice daily on the B744 / A380, Virgin would be capacity dumping if they put the A388 onto that route.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:18 am

Virgin are literally bricking it over the very real possibility of Norwegian setting up a long haul operation out of Gatwick for 2014.

Virgin simply will not have the cost base to compete should Norwegian decide the Caribbean is one of the markets they want to go for.

No matter that Delta is now a significant stakeholder, Virgin is currently being pinched on every front.

With that in mind, it really does sadden me to say I can not now envisage Virgin ever taking the A380.

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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:19 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 13):

Against Cathay at five a day on the B77W and BA at twice daily on the B744 / A380, Virgin would be capacity dumping if they put the A388 onto that route.

I'm not sure I would call it capacity dumping if VS put the A380 into HKG, they have 1 daily flight that continues to SYD, still alot less capacity than BA considering again VS continues to SYD. Sure they don't even run their current largest aircraft in the 744 to HKG, but thats the nature of the beast, I'd of thought a few more seats to SYD would be good and allow more for LHR-HKG to, but what would I know?

Having said all that I have my doubts that VS will ever take delivery.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:45 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 13):
Against Cathay at five a day on the B77W and BA at twice daily on the B744 / A380, Virgin would be capacity dumping if they put the A388 onto that route.



All VS's LHR routes are (by no coincidence) potential A380 routes to a casual observer.

Bring BA's firepower at LHR into the mix and that their A380's are being prepared and delivered as we speak.......

Any future route for the VS A380 will be capacity dumping on that logic skipness ?
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 15):
I'd of thought a few more seats to SYD would be good and allow more for LHR-HKG to, but what would I know?

VS could have easily done this by not recently decommissioning a 744. So if an existing 744 was not suitable would VS operate a new 380 LHR-HKG-SYD? The leap from a 346 to a 380 is quite large when there was a 744 option.

As far as the future of VS and the 380 is concerned two things have changed recently. There is the prospect of the DL/VS JV. And Craig Kreeger moved out of AA to become the VS CEO. I think that this new, more than strong American influence will diminish the chances of VS operating the 380.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:03 pm

I think if Richard Branson is smart, he should negotiate a deal to sell the production slots for the A380 to Emirates or Qatar Airways in exchange for a fairly large A350XWB-1000 order, which will allow VS to phase out the 747-400. In short, maybe by 2020 VS will be flying A35J's to the US West Coast from LHR?
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 13):
Against Cathay at five a day on the B77W and BA at twice daily on the B744 / A380, Virgin would be capacity dumping if they put the A388 onto that route.

Not really, Cathay is quality, but VS beats BA hands down on comfort and service, so if anyone has to it will be BA who will be capacity dumping
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:22 pm

Knowing when the leases of the LHR based 744's is up would be a good clue as to delivery time of the 380's. 2016 is the latest I heard, once the 789's have been sucessfully introduced. Not sure VS has the resources to bring in 2 major new types at the same time either.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:23 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 20):
but VS beats BA hands down on comfort and service, so if anyone has to it will be BA who will be capacity dumping

Well if that's the case it's just a shame that there is not a penny in profit or an A380 in sight.

Bizarre.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:00 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 11):
And why wouldn't they? They have a decent enough cash balance and neither of the 2 share holders are short of cash

Provisional results for 2012/13 is £135 million loss (pre tax) I cannot see the A380 ever in Virgin colours, they have tried to be all things to all men, which as a fairly recent addition to global air transport, Virgin need to find a niche and command that sector. They are competing with some very powerful and profitable airlines.
The UK shuttle service that has been born this year will hemorrage money and I will give it no more than 12 months before Virgin pull the plug, over 40+ years airlines have tried to make regional flying into Heathrow a success, but alas they all failed, BA are reasonably successful owing to their strength at Heathrow.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:05 pm

Makes me smile that a VS thread always attracts the same crowd!

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will VS ever take delivery of the A380?

I doubt it and that's backed up my sources of which I can't name.

Quoting GDB (Reply 7):
We knew something was up when Airbus flew the A380 into LHR for the first time in 2006, quite an event but guess who was not there for the PR?

I can assure you that VS were present for that. But since Richard didn't pitch up with pretty ladies to dance on the wing, the media weren't really interested.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Guess 4 engines 4 long haul wont apply to VS in a few years

I agree! But there's nothing wrong with an airline growing up / evolving to match the times! Remember that twin engine aeroplanes weren't as capable when their four engines monsters were signed to join the fleet.

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 14):
Virgin are literally bricking it over the very real possibility of Norwegian setting up a long haul operation out of Gatwick for 2014.

Interested to know your reasoning behind this or is it just an opinion? Don't forget, VS and DY are training partners for the 787 and work very closely together. There might be a non-compete in such a contract - although that's speculation based on business sense.

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 16):
All VS's LHR routes are (by no coincidence) potential A380 routes to a casual observer.

Although I know you're not exactly pro-VS, I do agree with you on this one!   Because of big marketing, Joe Public believe VS is up there with the big boys like BA etc... Little to they know that it really is a microscopic airline with a mere 40 odd aeroplanes.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 18):
I think if Richard Branson is smart...

Understand that Richard, although a 51% owner, really has nothing to do with VS. These days, I think he's ore of a figure head.

[Edited 2013-07-13 11:10:09]
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:09 pm

I can assure you, there is no revenue or route cartel between Norwegian and Virgin.

If Norwegian want to start NYC, LAS, MCO and the Caribbean, Virgin will have no way of preventing them; their cost structure will make Virgin Gatwick seem neanderthal by comparison. The two are no closer than the 787 connection.

I'm pleased VS threads make you smile; it's the contributions of employees past and present, who actually do have a grasp of the situation, which makes such threads so interesting.

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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:16 pm

Heaven help us if we ever succumb to that sort of nonsense.

Quoting phunc (Reply 23):
I can assure you that VS were present for that. But since Richard didn't pitch up with pretty ladies to dance on the wing, the media weren't really interested.

Yes, he does tend to do that, a lot, hence him not doing that day was noticed.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:34 pm

VS tweeted they are due for delivery of the A380 in 2015/2016

https://twitter.com/VirginAtlantic/status/355968871359979520
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:36 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 26):
VS tweeted they are due for delivery of the A380 in 2015/2016

As far as I know, 2018 was never confirmed by the company.
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 26):
VS tweeted they are due for delivery of the A380 in 2015/2016

Well from friends that work at VS... they mentioned they have known about 787 working groups for the past few years.. no such groups exist for the A380... read into that what you will, but I can pretty much say that rules out a within 2-3 year EIS.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:50 pm

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 24):
If Norwegian want to start NYC, LAS, MCO and the Caribbean, Virgin will have no way of preventing them; their cost structure will make Virgin Gatwick seem neanderthal by comparison. The two are no closer than the 787 connection

That would also be true for the BA LGW Carribbean routes in that case..
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:56 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 28):
Well from friends that work at VS... they mentioned they have known about 787 working groups for the past few years.. no such groups exist for the A380... read into that what you will, but I can pretty much say that rules out a within 2-3 year EIS.

Indeed, even BA needed 3 years for preparations.

There is a lot of conflicting information on the internet, VS still says 2015, the ATDB says 2017 and other rumors says 2018.
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:57 pm

I completely agree, though I would argue that British Airways would not take such a hit, proportional to overall turnover, as Virgin would.

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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:38 pm

Here is an article from October last year:

Quote:
Virgin Atlantic has pushed back its Airbus A380 deliveries to 2017 and says that the eventual operation of the superjumbo will depend on the prevailing market conditions near the time.

Speaking in a wide-ranging interview in Flightglobal's Airline Business magazine interview, Virgin Atlantic chief executive Steve Ridgway - who leaves the airline next spring - said that plans for the A380 introduction were on the backburner for the moment.

"We don't need to make a decision about [our six A380 orders] now, it very much depends on the state of the global economy and the oil price," he says.

"It's a lovely quiet aircraft but it's very big and you need to operate it on some very big trunks and you need to have a big enough fleet - we always knew we'd have a small fleet and is that fleet too small? And that is a challenge for Virgin Atlantic but it's not something we need to worry about right now."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...nomy-and-oil-price-ridgway-378103/
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting phunc (Reply 23):
Understand that Richard, although a 51% owner, really has nothing to do with VS. These days, I think he's ore of a figure head.

Mmm. This is a tricky one as depending on where Virgin Atlantic is domiciled, for argument's sake in England & Wales, and if RB is a director of the firm, he will have responsibilities under the Companies Act regarding the stewardship of the firm.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:38 am

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 16):
All VS's LHR routes are (by no coincidence) potential A380 routes to a casual observer.

Actually some demand frequency and BOS and ORD certainly don't need an A380. That's why casual observers aren't best placed for fleet planning.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 19):
but VS beats BA hands down on comfort and service

Very subjective and oddly Virgin aren't exactly doing well on LHR-HKG givven they never brought back the second daily service, don't offer a First product and half the capacity is bound for Australia. They have half an A346 versus BA's 2 B744s (soon to be A380) and Cathay's four B77W and one B744. Again, like Chicago, Virgin failed to grow the market beyond their initial foray.

As for Norwegian entering LGW long haul, VS are more vulnerable as their product is geared much more to economy than BA who still offer a full Club and on some routes First product as well as Avios redemption, none of which Norwegian would offer. We shall see....
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:34 am

Personally I believe they will take delivery of the A380. Maybe some options even. My 2 cents.

VS is posting a loss. What's wrong with them? Should they just join an alliance? Star Alliance maybe?
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:38 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 34):
Very subjective and oddly Virgin aren't exactly doing well on LHR-HKG givven they never brought back the second daily service, don't offer a First product and half the capacity is bound for Australia. They have half an A346 versus BA's 2 B744s (soon to be A380) and Cathay's four B77W and one B744.

I thought CX flies 2-3 B 747-400s to LHR!

Perhaps VS should bring back the second daily flight or place the B747-400 on the LHR-HKG run so that they can sell more seats for LHR-HKG only passengers?
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:55 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
Here is an article from October last year:

Glad someone finally posted this, instead of all the "friend of a friend" stuff.

Seems pretty clear that VS are fence-sitting at the moment

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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:43 am

Quoting phunc (Reply 23):
Although I know you're not exactly pro-VS, I do agree with you on this one! Because of big marketing, Joe Public believe VS is up there with the big boys like BA etc... Little to they know that it really is a microscopic airline with a mere 40 odd aeroplanes.

I wouldn't go as far as 'microscopic'.

If I thought for a second VS were in any danger of going out of business I wouldn't jibe them like I do. It's just all part of the fun. I'm sure the VS supporters here know that. I'm still looking forward to the outcome of the 'knee in the nuts' saga !
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:01 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 36):
Perhaps VS should bring back the second daily flight or place the B747-400 on the LHR-HKG run so that they can sell more seats for LHR-HKG only passengers?

IIRC the second HKG flight was using a slot pair leased from UA, that was returned to UA in 2010-ish. VS hasn't really spent on slots for many years but that is still open to it, evening departures being somewhat cheaper than prime a.m. slots.

I'm with posters above, I expect these to be converted to A350-1000s to replace 747s and 346s, so over time the Heathrow fleet will be B787s and A350s. That will make VS very efficient, modern and give a little flexibility in size to cope with seasonal variations.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:25 am

As of today (Northern summer 2013) where does VS fly its B 747-400s to?

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 39):
IIRC the second HKG flight was using a slot pair leased from UA, that was returned to UA in 2010-ish. VS hasn't really spent on slots for many years but that is still open to it, evening departures being somewhat cheaper than prime a.m. slots.

Oh you mean UA has the right to fly HKG-LHR nonstop???? If that's the case why doesn't UA start this flight?

VS should apply for its own rights.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:16 am

I could see the usefulness of a A388 fleet especially since LHR is so slot restrictive.

I think potential routes would be LAX, SFO, HKG (but maybe not the onwards SYD leg... if it continues) and JFK (maybe consolidating x2 A330/A340 flights and freeing up a slot pair for another frequency eles where.

However the game change is changing at VS especially with DL into the mix. Frequency isn't always an option in a slot restrictive airport like LHR... so capacity increase is the other solution.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 40):
Oh you mean UA has the right to fly HKG-LHR nonstop???? If that's the case why doesn't UA start this flight?

No he means the take off and landing slots from LHR were leased from UA.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 36):

Perhaps VS should bring back the second daily flight or place the B747-400 on the LHR-HKG run so that they can sell more seats for LHR-HKG only passengers?

I believe we only see the A340 on Asian routes as it is able to carry a better cargo payload. This also helps the SYD-HKG tags profitability.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 40):
As of today (Northern summer 2013) where does VS fly its B 747-400s to?

From LHR it is SFO, LAX (VS7), MIA (on weekends), VS1 EWR, VS45 JFK. I do believe that the early LAX flight is now on the Airbus as a 747 is in FRA or about to go for MX.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 40):

Oh you mean UA has the right to fly HKG-LHR nonstop????

Slots and route rights are different things. My understanding was the HKG flights were not really timed well... O&D pax on the route prefer the later night departure.

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 41):

However the game change is changing at VS especially with DL into the mix.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out. I expect VS to be carrying alot more ex US customers than they currently do now.
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:44 pm

I have to ask this question: what aircraft meet the Quota Count 2 certification for 24-hour operations out of LHR? I believe the A380-800 and 787-8 are certified; is the 777-200ER and 777-300ER also QC2 certified?

The reason why I ask this question is one way VS could get more capacity is to instead of flying the A388, they fly the A350XWB-1000 (A35J) on a more frequent basis out of LHR, if the A35J can be easily made QC2-compliant (given how quiet the A350XWB-900 prototype was when it did it flypast at the Paris Air Show, that shouldn't be hard to achieve).
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:08 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 43):

Quoting United Airline (Reply 40):
As of today (Northern summer 2013) where does VS fly its B 747-400s to?

From LHR it is SFO, LAX (VS7), MIA (on weekends), VS1 EWR, VS45 JFK. I do believe that the early LAX flight is now on the Airbus as a 747 is in FRA or about to go for MX.

They also fly it to MCO from both LGW and MAN. frequency and days vary but MCO's flight schedule shows 3 different flight numbers assigned the 744 (one of them can be an A330 depending on the day).

I had wondered what could replace the 744 to MCO. I've heard (nothing to back it up) that it has pretty high LF even though I"m sure its mostly low yield. I imagine the cargo is not high. Has VS indicated any interest in the 777x? it would seem that a 777-9x would be the closest replacement for the 744s on this route, especially if LF are high and they could easily fill the extra seats vs an A35J. VS does have 787s on order, don't they? I guess the 78J would work well on this route if they ever went for that although it would seem to be more of a replacement for the A330s than the 744s (I would imagine that's what BA will replace the 772's with on the LGW-MCO route).

I guess a related question to this is what role DL will have in VS's fleet planning and acquisition. If they will be in charge, I would think that it favors the 777x as it has been speculated elsewhere that that is a plane that will fit DL's fleet well and Boeing might give a better deal if the purchase was for both carriers. Plus DL is not a huge fan of the A380. I remember this quote from Richard Anderson when they announced the VS acquisition:

“I know for sure it is a lot better return than buying an A380.”

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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 45):

They also fly it to MCO from both LGW and MAN. frequency and days vary but MCO's flight schedule shows 3 different flight numbers assigned the 744 (one of them can be an A330 depending on the day).

I said LHR... I didnt include LGW as I dont believe the 380 was ever planned to go to LGW.

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 45):
I had wondered what could replace the 744 to MCO. I've heard (nothing to back it up) that it has pretty high LF even though I"m sure its mostly low yield

Given that MCO has been seeing a daily 744 and 330 from LGW recently, wouldnt be too much drop in capacity if it were to go 2 x daily A350-1000 would it?
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:33 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 44):
I have to ask this question: what aircraft meet the Quota Count 2 certification for 24-hour operations out of LHR? I believe the A380-800 and 787-8 are certified; is the 777-200ER and 777-300ER also QC2 certified?

Oh I didn't know that LHR is 24 hours!
 
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:16 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 44):

I have to ask this question: what aircraft meet the Quota Count 2 certification for 24-hour operations out of LHR? I believe the A380-800 and 787-8 are certified; is the 777-200ER and 777-300ER also QC2 certified?

The reason why I ask this question is one way VS could get more capacity is to instead of flying the A388, they fly the A350XWB-1000 (A35J) on a more frequent basis out of LHR, if the A35J can be easily made QC2-compliant (given how quiet the A350XWB-900 prototype was when it did it flypast at the Paris Air Show, that shouldn't be hard to achieve).


From the Airbus website:

> A350-800: QC1 for departure, QC0.5 for arrival
> A350-900: QC1 for departure, QC0.5 for arrival
> A350-1000: QC2 for departure, QC1 for arrival
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RE: Will VS Ever Take Delivery Of The A380?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:32 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 47):
Oh I didn't know that LHR is 24 hours!

There's a severly limited number of movements allowed between 11pm and 6am, just have a look on the flight arrivals web page.
http://www.heathrowairport.com/flight-information/live-flight-arrivals

Of those arrivals, some are BA B747-400s....possibly the noisiest aircraft at Heathrow !

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