WN Nose Gear Collapse At LGA

pit · Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:57 pm

Anyone else hear about Southwest Nose Gear Collapse at LGA?

SWALUV · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:04 pm

Bosses are on a flight next to it, they are saying the plane broke apart. Don't know how credible they are but that's all I've heard... Media isn't reporting anything.

[Edited 2013-07-22 15:05:19]

SavannahMark · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:04 pm

Just came up on Twitter.

SWALUV · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:07 pm

I'm assuming the flight was coming in from BWI?

alberchico · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:07 pm

oh boy this is gonna really create massive delays this evening

Okie · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:07 pm

Landed with a known malfunction before landing, botched landing or failure on roll out?
Anyone know

Okie

pit · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:10 pm

Looks like WN345 BNA-LGA

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...5/history/20130722/1855Z/KBNA/KLGA

AeroWesty · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:11 pm

CNN confirming the flight was BNA-LGA, and are saying that LGA is closed to landings at the moment.

kith · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:13 pm

From a friend who just landed at LGA, I think he's stuck; https://www.airliners.net/ufview.file?id=7840&filename=phpeAooKb.png

[Edited 2013-07-22 15:17:15]

RL757PVD · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:15 pm

Seeing that it didn't circle at all, I am guessing this was not an anticipated event (I.e all 3 were in the green)...

SavannahMark · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting AA757200 (Reply 8):

Imagine the coverage this would be getting if it were a 787. I'm just sayin....

You're just saying but you and I both know how true it would be!

tortugamon · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:17 pm

Quoting kith (Reply 9):

https://www.airliners.net/ufview.file?id=7840&filename=phpeAooKb.png

this might work

tortugamon

bennett123 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:20 pm

The image with reply 2 seems to indicate limited damage.

IMO, this did not happen at high speed.

SWALUV · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:20 pm

Is the tail number N763SW? That's what I could make out...

ytib · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:21 pm

Aircraft is N753SW.

http://pic.twitter.com/mmuIvanH75

[Edited 2013-07-22 15:21:51]

RL757PVD · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:21 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 12):
this might work

Hard to tell but based on the signage it looks to be near the runway/runway intersection, which will effectively keep LGA closed until they remove it...

Take that back, upon review of the airport diagram, it was an angled exit showing the signage, and is south enough that 13-31 should be unaffected

[Edited 2013-07-22 15:34:17]

philipkk · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:21 pm

There's a live video/traffic cam
http://www.trafficland.com/city/NYC/camera/16503/index.html?eml=true

SWALUV · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:24 pm

Was it raining around the time the plane landed?

airliner371 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:27 pm

More live coverage at 7online.com.

usflyguy · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting SWALUV (Reply 3):
I'm assuming the flight was coming in from BWI?

Why? WN doesn't fly LGA-BWI...

aklrno · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:28 pm

Does anyone know if the nose gear collapsed on the runway and the plane skidded off, or if the plane departed the runway/taxiway and the nose gear collapsed in the grass/mud?

SavannahMark · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:28 pm

NY/Cleveland/Atlanta Centers are probably getting hammered right now, wow!

jreuschl · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:31 pm

https://twitter.com/mattjfriedman/status/359436883073302528/photo/1 Close photo

GentFromAlaska · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:37 pm

The NBC News affiliate in Nashville is reporting no injuries to the pax or crew.

tortugamon · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:37 pm

It does not look like the front gear collapsed. The bay door looks like it is still closed.

tortugamon

SWALUV · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:38 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 20):

Whoops, thought that was a route! Sorry about that!

YWG747 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:40 pm

Yeah some pictures sure look like the gear never came out.
Good too hear that no one was hurt

RL757PVD · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:40 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 25):

It does not look like the front gear collapsed. The bay door looks like it is still closed.

Might be hard to tell from the soft/wet ground. Looking at flight aware there was no fly by or circling, you would expect with a known problem they would have attempted to rectify it.

shengzhurou · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:44 pm

good to hear no one got hurt, a bad month for boeing airplanes.

MesaFlyGuy · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:45 pm

Quoting SWALUV (Reply 3):

WN hasn't flown BWI-LGA for almost a year now. Why would it automatically be coming from BWI?

rfields5421 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:45 pm

Quoting SavannahMark (Reply 11):
You're just saying but you and I both know how true it would be!

It was 8 minutes into the ABC National News before it was mentioned.

I doubt that anything short of an Air Force 1 crash could have bumped the new royal baby off the top of the news, at least in the US.

-------------------------

WFAA TV channel 8 in Dallas is reporting that the FAA is keeping the passengers on the plane until the situation is evaluated.

I find that hard to believe.

EDIT - a twitter photo link above shows there WAS an evacuation.

[Edited 2013-07-22 15:47:21]

GentFromAlaska · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:46 pm

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 24):
The NBC News affiliate in Nashville is reporting no injuries to the pax or crew.

The NBC mother ship is reporting a few bumps and bruises. To be expected I suppose.

PSAjet17 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 31):
WFAA TV channel 8 in Dallas is reporting that the FAA is keeping the passengers on the plane until the situation is evaluated.

I find that hard to believe, though the slide deployment might not have been an evacuation.

Check out this photo link that was posted earlier. Sure looks like passengers leaving the aircraft through 2R.
http://pic.twitter.com/mmuIvanH75

TUGMASTER · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:51 pm

Why the shutes....?

Aircraft looks in good shape...(ie no fire etc)

Usually more injury's occur using them , than not...

Would have thought the Capt. would have had a constant update from the tower with regard his situation,,?

Tugger · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:53 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 34):
Why the shutes....?

It's the safest way to quickly exit the aircraft.

Tugg

Okie · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 31):

WFAA TV channel 8 in Dallas is reporting that the FAA is keeping the passengers on the plane until the situation is evaluated.

I find that hard to believe

I am with you, I suspect that would be the captains decision.

Pavement looks dry in the video.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 25):
It does not look like the front gear collapsed. The bay door looks like it is still closed.

If the gear was down and the doors open I would suspect they would have been removed by pavement rash well up the runway. Hard to tell.

Okie

tortugamon · Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:57 pm

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 33):

You cannot see 2R from that photo. Its over the wing I believe.

tortugamon

YXwatcherMKE · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:04 pm

Wouldn't the doors get jammed up into the gear bay when the nose gear collapsed? that was my first thought when the subject was suggested. Or am I wrong?

Okie · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:04 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 37):
You cannot see 2R from that photo. Its over the wing I believe

Try the photo link on reply 9, 2R is open.

Okie

rfields5421 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 34):
Would have thought the Capt. would have had a constant update from the tower with regard his situation,,?

Quoting okie (Reply 36):
I suspect that would be the captains decision.

It does not look like it was an immeidate emergency evac.

The fact that a uniformed police officer, not a fireman, is near the bottom of the slide and wing tip directing the passengers coming down the chute to another location - indicates it is a decision to use the chute(s) to clear the aircraft.

Quoting tugger (Reply 35):
It's the safest way to quickly exit the aircraft.

In that nose down position, and slow, carefully controlled use of chutes is a very safe exit method.

atcsundevil · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:06 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 31):
I doubt that anything short of an Air Force 1 crash could have bumped the new royal baby off the top of the news, at least in the US.

Believe it or not, this WN incident was the lead story on the NBC affiliate in Phoenix. I would have gone with your logic too!

rfields5421 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:08 pm

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 38):
Wouldn't the doors get jammed up into the gear bay when the nose gear collapsed?

Depends upon the exact application of the force when the gear collapsed. Was there any sideways force? A hard letdown, a soft letdown, etc. Too many possibilities to answer the question without pictures.

Anything from shoving them up, to breaking them off, to bending them outward could happen.

flymia · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:09 pm

I am also surprised they evacuated using the shutes but its the captains call and it is not easy to tell the passengers to wait. Also with the recent OZ 214 crash I don't blame them for ordering the evacuation.

Also I'm fairly confident there was no prior warning and it was just a classic nose gear collapse. Makes no sense to go to LGA. Also the spoilers deployed. If they had nose gear issues why arm the spoilers? Right?

[Edited 2013-07-22 16:11:19]

airtechy · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:13 pm

Actually judging by the pic, it would seem 1R would have been a better choice to use as it is much lower to the ground.

AT

SuseJ772 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:15 pm

Supports the things happen in 3 theory. Asiana SFO. KEF. Now WN. Glad everyone is ok especially if it is was a nose gear collapse. That's got to be surprising to the pilots.

MesaFlyGuy · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:19 pm

I heard they knew before they landed that they were having problems with the gear. But if that was thecass I would've thought they would divert to JFK, with ts MUCH longer runways.

adriaticus · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:19 pm

Any fellow a.nutters' educated guess as to why the front doors chutes weren't deployed for evacuation?
(Re: the twitter.released photos above).
Cheers to no one getting hurt...

And what a day fore undercarriage-failure related accidents! (Re: The SSJ-100 incident in KEF this morning)

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airtechy · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:20 pm

CNN is reporting....yes I know.

"The Boeing 737 reported potential landing gear problems before touching down on Runway 4 and coming safely to a stop at about 5:45 p.m. ET, the FAA said in a statement."

AT

rfields5421 · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:25 pm

Quoting suseJ772 (Reply 45):
Supports the things happen in 3 theory. Asiana SFO. KEF. Now WN.

The day after the Asiana crash - there were 10 people killed in a commercial aircraft crash in Alaska.

The day after the Asiana crash there were two additional fatal aircraft crashes in the state of California.

The WN accident is about the x teenth after the Asiana crash.

Tugger · Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:27 pm

Quoting adriaticus (Reply 47):
Any fellow a.nutters' educated guess as to why the front doors chutes weren't deployed for evacuation?

The pic linked in reply 9 shows the front chute deployed and in use. The twitpic must have been taken earlier.

Tugg

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