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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 48): Dreadful for the consumer or the airline's bean counters? |
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 49): EK would hardly be making these proposals if they haven't run the numbers, considered their strategy and decided they'd make money on the routes. |
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 49): EK would most likely look to cities with a strong demand for UK service that were also candidates for double dailies such as LAX, SFO and possibly IAH or DFW. |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 51): Why is everybody so scared of EK? |
Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 50): can we see a JFK crew base in the future of EK? |
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 52): When it comes to AUSTRALIA, EK has reshaped the marketplace. It's created tremendous new competition and given folks all over Australia options they've not had before in terms of convenience and frequency. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 53): Same could be said for most awful ideas in airline history |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 51): Why is everybody so scared of EK? |
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 55): They've gone from a two bit regional airline with a handful of narrow bodies to a world-wide juggernaut that beat QF senseless |
Quoting jayunited (Reply 44): EK feels like they can make (lets just say) JFK-GLA and/or JFK-MAN work year around with either a 773er or an A380. S |
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 49): EK would hardly be making these proposals if they haven't run the numbers, considered their strategy and decided they'd make money on the routes. Its doubtful they'd run via JFK or EWR given slot restrictions. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 53): That's even worse--what on earth would be on a IAHMAN 330? Let alone anything bigger? |
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 60): EK GLA - IAH or EDI - IAH (Scottish airports runway-lenght permitted) might. There's some kind of demand trigger by oil-business on both ends of the route, not really sure if it's really that big - passengers + cargo - to make EK move to or add PIK in order to fly non-stop between Glasgow and IAH |
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 55): I'd like to hear what terrible business decisions the management team at EK has made over that last several years during their massive growth phase. |
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 60): EK GLA - IAH or EDI - IAH (Scottish airports runway-lenght permitted) might. |
Quoting WAC (Reply 61): It would have to ABZ |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 62): Not very many since most of their additions have been to their hub--have you seen very many long haul tags work at any carrier recently? |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 62): Who would be on a GLA/EDI/ABZ IAH plane? It would be completely empty without a partner on either end. You might get some of the ABZ high yield market onboard, ops issues aside, but even if you got all of them it would only be about a dozen pax. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 62): Who would be on a GLA/EDI/ABZ IAH plane? It would be completely empty without a partner on either end. You might get some of the ABZ high yield market onboard, ops issues aside, but even if you got all of them it would only be about a dozen pax |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 51): But it's brought the best product we've ever had to the marketplace. |
Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 56): What access are US/EU companies getting to Emirati markets in return ? |
Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 56): It would be interesting to see the reaction in the Emirates if for example the 'Oneworld' carriers got together and applied to set up a new JV airline at DXB; ('Oneworld-DXB'). I'm not saying for a moment this is likely to happen, but it sure would be interesting to see their reaction. |
Quoting luckyone (Reply 59): Or they've begun to run out of points to connect through Dubai either through the limitations of the facility, or simply places that can sustain service with their high capacity aircraft, and are having to be more creative with their future strategies. |
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 63): Not many. EK has one or two and a handful of carriers have one but not on any great scale. |
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 64): There is more traffic on the IAH-ABZ sectors than PDEW numbers might show but most of it is flying in the oil companies' own fleet of aircraft. |
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 67): Sure, but little, if any of that, is going to switch to EK, if even in the remotest of possibilities, a nonstop is offered. |
Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 65): The AC website has an entire webpage calling Australia's aviation policy a failure, though some of its claims appear to be intellectually dishonest, insofar as it tries to attribute the exit of some financially weak carriers, such as AZ, solely to EK, without even factoring in the effect that the likes of SQ, TG, MH etc have had on the Kangaroo route. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 69): Did EK destroy these carriers flying to Australia? No. Maybe it was the final nail in the coffin, but the coffin was already closed by that point. Of topic of course, but sometimes I do feel that the hysteria surrounding EK is removed from the facts. |
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Quoting 1400mph (Reply 71): We now have two U.K registered full service scheduled carriers flying from the U.K to Australia |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 71): Ironically considering your posts via SIN and HKG |
Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 20): The only reason the likes of US, UA, AA and DL make MAN work is that they can feed traffic through their respected hubs! Even UA's MAN-EWR route is heavily reliant on connecting traffic and there is not enough O&D traffic just for the NYC region. Also this route, only seems to be able to support a 757. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 69): LHR is an anomaly because of strong historical and corporate traffic. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): Their success is built upon the success of the people they transport and the country of origin through nothing more than a geographical advantage. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): All other successful airlines have built up their business through decades of hard work and reliable efficient quality service. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): There is no skill involved in what EK does. Any wealthy government in the world could start an airline and throw enough money at it to eventually devour the competition and make an operating profit. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): That is why countries like Canada view EK as parasitic. Their success is built upon the success of the people they transport and the country of origin through nothing more than a geographical advantage. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): All other successful airlines have built up their business through decades of hard work and reliable efficient quality service. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): There is no skill involved in what EK does. Any wealthy government in the world could start an airline and throw enough money at it to eventually devour the competition and make an operating profit. |
Quoting scbriml (Reply 76): Only if there were a grain of truth in your statement. But I'm afraid there isn't. |
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Quoting 1400mph (Reply 82): being pumped full of steroids by his beneficiaries. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 82): Not really worthy of any respect |
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Quoting 1400mph (Reply 84): They are state owned. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 84): That's it and all about it. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): You cannot justify an 'anomaly'. If you can it is not an anomaly |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): LHR or more accurately the United Kingdom supports the route 'because' of strong historical and corporate traffic |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): All other successful airlines have built up their business through decades of hard work and reliable efficient quality service |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): There is no skill involved in what EK does. Any wealthy government in the world could start an airline and throw enough money at it to eventually devour the competition and make an operating profit. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 78): Of course it's true |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): That is why countries like Canada view EK as parasitic |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 70): That coffin started to be closed in 1972, when Singapore Airlines was born, and decided it would take on the then BOAC and QF with 707s for service between Australia and the UK. BOAC and QF complained that SIA was taking "their passengers" |
Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 77): what do Canadian consumers (who do make up the vast majority of Canadian citizens, mind) owe any of these EU carriers? Not a whole lot, I don't think. Other than some misguided sense of loyalty to 'western' airlines. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 84): EK is a public sector company competing in a private sector industry. |
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7): Call me crazy, but I think that this is also about building the value proposition of Emirates (and Skywards Frequent Flyer) to draw in more traffic. Take MAN, where EK have a pretty loyal following due to little in the way of non-stop competition. My mothers' employer is a Manchester based company with significant operations in HK and PRC. Guess which airline the executives buzz around on? In paid F to boot. If they were to launch MAN-JFK then that could help to cement them as the go-to longhaul airline in the region: one-stop to the World via DXB, plus they can also get you to the global financial hub, and beyond to the entire United States with B6. |
Quoting a380787 (Reply 88): So these executives would take a quick 7.5 hour hop in EK paid F to JFK then ensure jetBlue transcon out to SFO/LAX ? |
Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 56): It would be interesting to see the reaction in the Emirates if for example the 'Oneworld' carriers got together and applied to set up a new JV airline at DXB; ('Oneworld-DXB'). I'm not saying for a moment this is likely to happen, but it sure would be interesting to see their reaction. |
Quoting 1400mph (Reply 75): That is why countries like Canada view EK as parasitic. Their success is built upon the success of the people they transport and the country of origin through nothing more than a geographical advantage. |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 89): Obviously not. but if they were in MAN and they were going to maybe BOS or Washington or upstate New York, hell why not? If they're used to flying european carriers for short hops they don't get a real business class in terms of a wider seat anyway. |
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 85): And besides, Lufthansa is partly state-owned |
Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 45): the EU carriers would have trounced US carriers by now . |
Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 45): Think you're underestimating brand loyalty in the US. |
Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 45): Given a.net's aviation obsession, there is a tendency to believe that the airline is the be all and end all, and whats good for the airline must be good for the country. But is that the always the case? |
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 51): Why is everybody so scared of EK? |
Quoting avek00 (Reply 94): Everyone ought to be scared of an airline that utterly mocks key principles upon which international civil aviation operates, such as the notion that air carriers are to be primarily engaged in the transport of people to and from their home countries, with third-country/fifth freedom traffic to be of a peripheral nature. |
Quoting avek00 (Reply 94): From its inception, international civil aviation has been governed primarily by protectionist, not free-market, forces. Air carriers provide a service in the national interest of their home countries, and therefore there is often a close alignment between what's good for a country's air carriers in international flying and what's good for the country itself. |
Quoting avek00 (Reply 94): Emirates would be a trifling player in the EU-US market because it can't or won't offer a diverse spread of transatlantic flights (which would need to include LHR access to even be worthy of a serious talking point). |
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 95): There are many carriers where 6th freedom traffic is their dominant market. KLM is one example, plus many other large carriers based in countries with small populations. I would be interested to know what percentage of SQ's traffic, for example, is 6th freedom. I would guess it's a large number. The same for CX/LX/OS/AY, among others. |
Quoting avek00 (Reply 97): dditionally, neither airline is especially parasitic in its behavior, at least towards the USA and/or EU. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 86): Why LH (a non-Canadian corporation) was entitled to Canadian business over EK (a non-Canadian corporation). |
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 37): If the Brits and Americans accept this, they should first make the Emir of Dubai their head of state and accept their role as rightless slaves in a brutal medieval tyranny. |