|Quoting RDH3E (Reply 78):|
From a purely pragmatic standpoint, do you believe that given your second point, people are getting the value for their dues? If you assume that a ramper pays ~600 a year in dues (random figure), given 5% interest rate, a 20 year man will have given up about $22,500. The question is, did the union get you that much value? Would you have been better off using that money to pay for your kid (yourself) to go to college?
um yes. United has made it clear what they want. If they didn't have the IAM they would just revisit the Delta plan in the 90s. Farm it all out. Delta saw it fail at a hub and stopped, United's management is clearly stupid enough not to care.
Now, we will have to see if the IAM gets its head out of its ass and gets a good contract. (I generally hate that union so I would be the one going for an In-house)
|Quoting RDH3E (Reply 78):|
That's my question, regardless of the good/evil debate, do you believe the dues are worth it?
Yes. In almost every work group that is union they have SCOPE. Delta is building that pretty hangar in Mexico, my job could be gone tomorrow. They say they won't, but they said overhauls wouldn't go, Dallas had amazing numbers and tampa was safe now that dallas is gone.
they did all that within a year. Sadly I have to many coworkers who, apparently enjoy getting laid off and keep believe its the old Delta and because Anderson sits at Mr Woolman's desk he cares about his employees like Mr. Woolmen did.
And my problem isn't the company. They are out to make money, its labor's job to protect itself. Delta mainline ramp employees are doing a great job hurting themselves, they constantly allow ex mainline stations to be worked by a Delta company.
But UNION DUES OMGGGG I would be more than happy to go the route of United's mechanics, more money(IIRC its about 250 bucks a month AFTER dues), lower health care and more paid time off. They make more than a Delta mechanic before and after Union dues. (they do however allow way too much outsourcing but that is part of the way they look at things, long and drawn out, way OT
....I'd be happy to explain more in a PM
if you wish)
|Quoting T5towbar (Reply 77):|
From what I understand, OO ground employees are getting squeezed and having to take paycuts to match DGS and Eagle. Pretty soon, they will be the two biggest (domestically), and a new "race to the bottom" begins by who can do it the cheapest.
probably. Everytime you see a Delta mainline ramp employee make sure you thank them.
|Quoting mercure1 (Reply 79):|
Then shame on the airlines for not managing their vendors.
|Quoting nwaesc (Reply 91):|
AW employees are DL... No clue who handles the ramp...
I mean below. 9 times out of ten its done outside and by DGS
Ask your company. they gladly sent it to DGS when it was a hub. It took the merger to bring it back to mainline. sad
again, ask Delta. It has been done. They have generally been going the opposite, ATL
are all mainline, as is LAX
(no idea on JFK
) are however still infected by DGS
They did however send Dallas to DGS. The plan was for the other three hubs to follow then slowly pick apart the network, kind of like cutting the head of a snake, but backed off. Could have been the fear of a union vote or could have been a complete failure.
|Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 112):|
And the people who are (or aspire) to be in the upper echelons often look down upon the "masses" with disdain and contempt, as we have seen in this thread.
|Quoting T5towbar (Reply 113):|
My beef (and still is) is AA & DL indirectly working UA flights. No animus towards you in any way. You're just trying to make a living like me.
not part of DGS. Trust me, I'm with your brother. I'm pulling for yall but i have little faith in your Union
same for your maintenance side of the house.
|Quoting LAXintl (Reply 110):|
At the end, life is like a pyramid. Lots of masses to do the work on the bottom, and fewer and fewer qualified as you go up the structure.
I'm qualified to be a lot higher than I am, but why would I want a job that will end up making me piss on the people below me. Thankfully I was rasied better. I wish more of y'all had parents that were worth a crap.
|Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 116):|
Let's not forget that UA is allowing this as well. They're paying DGS/AE (thus DL/AA).
Again its the employees and the government faults. We need more APAs and Eastern IAM and NWAMFAs and less ALPA, IAM, TWU and IBTs.
But the government has to let people walk. (but they don't care about the middle class, they have made it painfully clear.)
|Quoting m11stephen (Reply 120):|
Um... Nobody is making $10k/year in a full time job... If you worked 40 hours a week at minimum wage you'd gross $15,080 a year.