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The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:01 pm

While scanning some photos this afternoon, I ran across an odd description in the photo database here.


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"The devil of Delta being towed to north parking."

With airlines succumbing to the superstitions of flyers by sometimes skipping row 13, like hotels sometimes skip the 13th floor, I was surprised to see N666DN for a plane's registration.

Given that airlines usually take blocks of numbers for an incoming new fleet, are there any examples where airlines have skipped from 665 to 667 for their N-numbers?
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:50 pm

When I book a flight, I try to get Row 13 immediately. And it's usually available while all the rows behind it are filled.

I don't understand the superstition: does anyone think that Row 13 is going to crash but Row 31 is going to remain aloft?!
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:57 pm

Most psgrs have no idea what the tail # or Fleet # is on their aircraft ( except for people like us) and yes, these superstitions are silly...UA has a 320 with 4666 as a fleet number and a 767-300 N666UA.
 
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:59 pm

DL also has a 744 with registration N666US:

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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:07 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
DL also has a 744 with registration N666US

That's the one I first thought of. Then I realized he also meant the ship number.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:10 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
DL also has a 744 with registration N666US:

Looking at the photos for this plane, it was ironically the first DL 744 sent to TLV. 666 to the Holy Land. You couldn't make this stuff up.


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Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Thread starter):
I was surprised to see N666DN for a plane's registration.
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
DL also has a 744 with registration N666US:

UA has a 763 registered N666UA. It's also UA fleet number 6666 (the number on the nosegear doors).


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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:58 am

With Astraeus no longer around, one of these birds should leased out to Iron Maiden as the next 'Ed Force One'. N666DN sounds pretty damn metal for a registration!
  
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:41 am

It is just as unlucky as any N777xx is lucky lol.......
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:54 am

I seem to remember, ship #611 was kind of an unlucky a/c when it came to mechanical delays, etc, especially when compared to others in the fleet.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:05 am

I realize this plane had this registration long before 9/11......but now it seems odd to me


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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:19 am

AY operates flight 666 from CPN-HEL
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:54 am

Seriously? Rational people don't care about that hocus-pocus stuff.

However I did work with a religious lady who freaked out when she found out a neighboring town had a 666- phone prefix, when filling out an unaccompanied minor form. She started suddenly tearing around asking who she should call to report it. She was convinced it had to be changed immediately. That was the first time I'd ever heard it was the Sign of the Devil. Who makes up this stuff?
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:22 pm

On the other side, I flew Northwest flight 711 to LAS (not unusual flight # considering the destination) on ship # 711 and the date was July 11th (7/11.)
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:30 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 12):
Rational people don't care about that hocus-pocus stuff.

Unfortunately, there are no laws preventing people who believe in superstitions to become airline passengers.  
 
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:44 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 12):
That was the first time I'd ever heard it was the Sign of the Devil. Who makes up this stuff?

Well, in this case, the number of the beast is in the Bible, although sometimes it is also translated as 616.

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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:53 pm

While its not a reg number, FR operate a flight #666, DUB-BHX afternoon flight.
 
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:15 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 16):
While its not a reg number, FR operate a flight #666, DUB-BHX afternoon flight.

Well i'm pretty sure they got the wrath of MOL on that flight         

I think people shouldn't take chances. 666 and FR? I'm sure thats pretty dicey combination  
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:23 pm

Ohhhh please stop that! I work for 23 years at address number 1666. I flew flight number 1666 and now we have building at the 13th floor. Superstition is not a real life to bad luck number. PLEASE! Get over and think positive forward.

Many people do not fear with 13 or anything. Many cities have 13th Ave, Birthday date Oct 13, , or whatever it gets number 13 or 666 or so go on.


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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:35 pm

Looks like the post got deleted for some reason last night, but someone did come up with an answer to my question.

Atlantic Coast Airlines skipped from N665BR to N667BR in 2001 for their fleet of CRJ-200s. You can see it here in the fleet list on airfleets.net:

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/A...Airlines-history-crj-35-regasc.htm
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 12):
Rational people don't care about that hocus-pocus stuff.

That's the problem. How many people (particularly Americans) are rational and/or smart? It's a minority.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:07 pm

Using the auto-fill function on airfleets.net to search registrations, I found two others:

• America West's A320s go from N665AW to N667AW, without an N666AW
• FedEx's A300s go from N665FE to N667FE, without an N666FE

Southwest registered N665WN and N667SW, but nothing with N666 using either suffix, so close, but not exactly the same.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:55 pm

Long, long ago while listening to ATC as a kid:

"LA Tower, PSA Six SIx Six, base leg for the visual 2-5 Right" (PS 666 operated SJC-LAX)
"PSA, uh, TRIPLE 6, LA Tower, cleared to land 2-5 Right.
Then a perfect impersonation of Flip Wilson's Geraldine came from the PSA cockpit: "Oooooh, The devil made me do it"

Ok, I'm dating myself here, but I will always remember the ATC transmission!

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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting UTAH744 (Reply 13):

On the other side, I flew Northwest flight 711 to LAS (not unusual flight # considering the destination) on ship # 711 and the date was July 11th (7/11.)

IIRC (I think I actually flew on it as recently as a couple of years ago), one of UA's ORD or DEN to LAS flights was 777 on the outbound and 778 on the return. Almost certain that HP's morning BWI-LAS offering was also 777. Definitely no coincidence on that choice of flight number for any Vegas offering.

Based on the numerology, would the B777 then be the "luckiest" aircraft in the sky? Perhaps coincidentally, it just happens to have one of the best-ever safety records for a commercial aircraft.

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Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:19 pm

For what it's worth, I flew N666UA a few years ago LAX-IAD.

Departure was delayed just over 4hr due to a "snowmageddon" storm passing over Washington (aircraft held at gate). Shortly after we finally got airborne, there was the dreaded "Is there a doctor on board" announcement. A short time later, the captain announced we would be making a diversion to DEN to disembark the affected passenger and her family.

We did finally make it to Dulles, albeit 6:24 late.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 10):
I realize this plane had this registration long before 9/11......but now it seems odd to me

I think N911** registrations that were around prior to 9/11 remain until the aircraft are sold/retired (e.g. 2 DL M88s and an M90), but seriously doubt any USA carrier are using or will use it on aircraft delivered since that event. AA skipped 911NN in the 738 fleet, and there is no 911WN. A little more than mere superstition.

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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:12 pm

Six Six Six... The number of the beast.

I'm sad I didn't get to fly on this bird on one of my DL 757 trips... Would be a nice one for the log.
 
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting N776AU (Reply 20):
That's the problem. How many people (particularly Americans) are rational and/or smart? It's a minority.

This could not be any more true.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:46 pm

Hey! I'm an American and I resemble that comment!
 
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:02 pm

Westjet, in fleet numbers, skips numbers ending in 4.

Early in WS's history, many folks came over from PWA. PWA had a couple big crashes with Fin #s ending in 4.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 10):
I realize this plane had this registration long before 9/11......but now it seems odd to me
Quoting OM617 (Reply 24):
I think N911** registrations that were around prior to 9/11 remain until the aircraft are sold/retired (e.g. 2 DL M88s and an M90), but seriously doubt any USA carrier are using or will use it on aircraft delivered since that event. AA skipped 911NN in the 738 fleet, and there is no 911WN. A little more than mere superstition.

Oh I get that.....but I was referring to the "911" AND the 2-letter suffix
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Thread starter):

While scanning some photos this afternoon, I ran across an odd description in the photo database here.


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"The devil of Delta being towed to north parking."

With airlines succumbing to the superstitions of flyers by sometimes skipping row 13, like hotels sometimes skip the 13th floor, I was surprised to see N666DN for a plane's registration.

Given that airlines usually take blocks of numbers for an incoming new fleet, are there any examples where airlines have skipped from 665 to 667 for their N-numbers?

This is all hokum, why in this day in age that we are concerned with numbering; flight numbers, aircraft numbers, floor numbers, other than the Chinese who have an unhealthy fascination with numerology.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:43 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
Looks like the post got deleted for some reason last night, but someone did come up with an answer to my question.

Atlantic Coast Airlines skipped from N665BR to N667BR in 2001 for their fleet of CRJ-200s. You can see it here in the fleet list on airfleets.net:

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/A...Airlines-history-crj-35-regasc.htm

That was my post from last night. I quoted another post which got deleted which in turn caused mine to get zapped. No N666BR at ACA. They still paid the FAA the fee for reserving the number though.
 
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:47 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 30):
This is all hokum

If you'll notice, other than describing the photo's description as a bit odd, I didn't pass any judgment on the superstitions people might hold. This was more of an exercise in solving a brain teaser—working off what could be one anomaly to see if there were other like anomalies. After following a lead in a now-deleted post from last night, I discovered I could answer my initial question on my own by deep-diving in the auto-fill suggestions on airfleets.net.

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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:49 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 30):
This is all hokum, why in this day in age that we are concerned with numbering; flight numbers, aircraft numbers, floor numbers, other than the Chinese who have an unhealthy fascination with numerology.
CO was the only major North American carrier that skipped row 13 on their aircraft. Not sure if that's still the case on ex-CO aircraft now with UA.

It's rare to find a row numbered 13 in many other parts of the world, the UK and Ireland being notable exceptions in Europe.

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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting bohica (Reply 31):
That was my post from last night.

Aha! Thank you. By the time I did some searching based on your post after I read it, it was already gone and I couldn't remember who'd posted it.  
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
CO was the only major North American carrier that skipped row 13 on their aircraft.

TWA was another which regularly skipped row 13.

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Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:25 am

I thought Asians were far more superstitious than Americans are?
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:03 am

Quoting OM617 (Reply 24):
For what it's worth, I flew N666UA a few years ago LAX-IAD.

I flew N666US last month NRT-DTW and everything went off without a hitch.

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Quoting AA94 (Reply 26):
Quoting N776AU (Reply 20):
That's the problem. How many people (particularly Americans) are rational and/or smart? It's a minority.

This could not be any more true.

I have been all around and I find irrational people everywhere. To think that the USA has a monopoly on that is naive. Take one look at the kind of silly movies they make in India and you know the USA isn't alone. When I travel abroad I like to read local newspapers (If there is one in English) and I find plenty of stories about people being stupid.

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I thought Asians were far more superstitious than Americans are?

All the superstitious people in my family were old ladies who were from Ireland.
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:05 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 36):
I thought Asians were far more superstitious than Americans are?

Asians are superstitious of any number containing the number 4 in its digits, since it sounds like the word for death in some Asian languages. Most buildings skip any floor that contains the number 4 in its digits. Some will also skip 13 as most Western countries do, with the 15th floor immediately following the 12th.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:05 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
It's rare to find a row numbered 13 in many other parts of the world, the UK and Ireland being notable exceptions in Europe.


Plenty of Latin American airlines that don't have a row 13 as well.
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:06 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 36):
I thought Asians were far more superstitious than Americans are?

Well I did find a sequence of Chinese registrations that went from B-6665 to B-6667, skipping B-6666, but I'll save searching Asian countries when I get bored again.  
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:21 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
Not sure if that's still the case on ex-CO aircraft now with UA.

Just a few UA aircraft have row 13....744s and 3 cabin 763's. All others skip row 13...
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting OM617 (Reply 24):
I think N911** registrations that were around prior to 9/11 remain until the aircraft are sold/retired (e.g. 2 DL M88s and an M90), but seriously doubt any USA carrier are using or will use it on aircraft delivered since that event. AA skipped 911NN in the 738 fleet, and there is no 911WN. A little more than mere superstition.

I flew N911DL DAB-ATL on 9/11 last year. A little eerie, but in a novel way.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:30 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 38):
Some will also skip 13 as most Western countries do, with the 15th floor immediately following the 12th.

This whole discussion reminds me of the good ol Mitch Hedburg routine...

My hotel doesn't have a 13th floor because of superstition, but come on man, people on the 14th floor, you know what floor you're really on. "What room are you in?" "1401" "No you're not! Jump out the window, you will die earlier!" Because 13 is an unlucky number, right? Well that's what the letter B should be right, because B looks like a scrunched together 13. "Hello, what is your name?" "Bob" "Get the f*ck away!" - Mitch Hedburg
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:41 am

N666DN and N666US fly almost 24 hours a day every day.

Yikes, people. They are just numbers.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:49 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 44):
Yikes, people. They are just numbers.

And like I posted above, the superstition part of it isn't what's interesting. Sorry you don't flex your mind with brain teasers, perhaps then you'd understand.
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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:02 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 41):
Just a few UA aircraft have row 13....744s and 3 cabin 763's. All others skip row 13...

That has to do with UA's effort to standardize the F/C/Y+/Y row enumeration format across the fleet, not "luck." If it were about good fortune, they'd probably have eliminated row 13 on the 744 and 763 as well. Many of the UA-contracted RJs still carry row 13....ooooh, spooky.   

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Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:00 am

I wonder that Chinese carriers skip that, as 66 is actually a good number here (I'm not an expert), but 14 is pretty bad... same pronunciation as “I die” in Chinese.
E.g. in my building we do not have any 13th floor and non with a 4 in it

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Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:08 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 46):
That has to do with UA's effort to standardize the F/C/Y+/Y row enumeration format across the fleet, not "luck." If it were about good fortune, they'd probably have eliminated row 13 on the 744 and 763 as well.

....while changing UA seat numbers to match exCO planes did have to do with standardizing row numbers across the fleet. If you look at the a lot of the seat maps (take the domestic 757 for instance) they go fro row 12 to 14 skipping 13. There is no reason for them to have skipped that number except....luck....as row 20/21 is where they aligned all of the Y class seats.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...ited_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_I.php

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RE: The Devil Of Delta - N666DN

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:28 pm

I did work a trip on 666DN into CVG that turned to the Bengals charter to BWI...the Bengals lost. So it must be an evil plane...right?  
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