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DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:22 pm

A preview (with pics) of DL's 75E cabin mods with 16 BusinessElite flat-beds. Aircraft are used for premium transcons and select international routes.

http://takingoff.delta.com/post/5742...take-a-peek-inside-the-new-757-200
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:31 pm

Seems competitive. Looks good
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:37 pm

Surprised they are keeping only 16 seats on these aircraft, given the more premium-heavy configurations of UA, AA and now B6. If DL puts a 767 on the busier frequencies, they'll be at a cost disadvantage.

Cabin looks slick, though. Can't wait to try it.
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:39 pm

Looks excellent! My first thought was, "woah, that's on a 757?"
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:49 pm

Looks very similar to the sCO BusinessFirst seats. And I think the reason they're not putting more than 16 J seats on it is for the international routes (especially seasonal ones like JFK-AGP) where they can adequately serve the market with a higher total of seats instead of a higher number of premium seats.
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:49 pm

Looks just like UA. And the business class on AA's new A321s.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:54 pm

There are eighteen 75Es to be modded; here's the list for those interested.

Ship 6801 N702TW
Ship 6802 N703TW
Ship 6803 N704X
Ship 6804 N706TW
Ship 6805 N707TW
Ship 6806 N709TW
Ship 6807 N710TW
Ship 6808 N712TW
Ship 6809 N713TW
Ship 6810 N721TW
Ship 6811 N705TW
Ship 6812 N717TW
Ship 6813 N727TW
Ship 6814 N711ZX
Ship 6815 N718TW
Ship 6816 N722TW
Ship 6817 N723TW
Ship 6818 N624AG

Where will the mods be done? Possibly QPG, where the 43 B763ERs (and 15 still to be done) were modded?

[Edited 2013-08-05 08:27:38]
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:06 pm

Looks great hopefully I can find some transcon to fly!

I remember hearing a while back that DL was looking into putting a new type of flatbed into the coach cabin. Can anyone tell me if I am imagining things or if that was a legitimate thing?
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:08 pm

This looks good.

- I like the branding on the bulkhead
- the black trim around the PTV looks much better than the current use of light gray
- the red seat belts
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:18 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 2):

I think the problem is twofold:

1) 16 truly J-sized lie-flat seats are about all you can fit in that forward section between 1L and 2L (if that's important to you -- if not, you can always do a "mini cabin" past 2L). Not the biggest deal, but does make a nice separation and adds to that perceived exclusivity for high fare J pax.

2) Demand is there on JFK-LAX, but maybe not on the international legs DL also uses them on. Unfortunately for them, they don't command (yet) the same level of premium pax UA and AA do that can justify this expenditure on unique planes. So, even if there is demand for say a 24J plane, DL can't necessarily make that work the same way their competitors can.


DL is smart in just deploying their existing int'l planes here. We might even see AA and UA adopt this approach in the future, who knows.
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:02 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 9):
2) Demand is there on JFK-LAX, but maybe not on the international legs DL also uses them on. Unfortunately for them, they don't command (yet) the same level of premium pax UA and AA do that can justify this expenditure on unique planes. So, even if there is demand for say a 24J plane, DL can't necessarily make that work the same way their competitors can.

Uhh, never mind.

[Edited 2013-08-05 09:08:20]
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:39 pm

Looks great! The colors add some character and makes the cabin look less sterile than the current gray/blue scheme on the current aircraft with lie-flat seats. Does anyone know if this look would eventually be retrofitted into the other international aircraft?

Judging from the photos, am I correct to assume that there is no direct aisle access from the window seats?

[Edited 2013-08-05 09:45:06]
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:41 pm

Not much access to the aisle for those in the window seats, is there?
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:44 pm

Great to see US carriers finally picking up some slack. Well done, DL.
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 14):
Great to see US carriers finally picking up some slack. Well done, DL.

FINALLY???? DL has been working on installing flatbeds for at least two years, now and I'm sure the other carriers have, too.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 13):
Not much access to the aisle for those in the window seats, is there?

From experience on CO 757s (and these appear to be virtually identical), no. It's not easy to sneak out from the window seat, especially when the person at the window is fully reclined. It's a bit more doable at the bulkhead row, but still tricky. With that said, however, it's a very comfortable and otherwise well designed seat.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:09 pm

Same seats as UA and AA . Nothing new . Not very original . AA will still continue to lead the pact on the premium transcon market with their 4 class config . 1st , Business , Main Cabin extra , and economy .
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:13 pm

Direct-aisle access would have involved losing probably four seats in what is already a fairly narrow/short cabin. Has any airline put direct-aisle access seats in their B757s in the front cabin?
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:22 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 18):
Direct-aisle access would have involved losing probably four seats in what is already a fairly narrow/short cabin. Has any airline put direct-aisle access seats in their B757s in the front cabin?

No, not that I've seen. The only in-service narrowbody I'm aware of that comes close is BA's (ex BD) A321 Club World configuration, which has staggered seats alternating 1-2 and 2-1 in each row (with seats like DL's 767 flat beds). So 2/3 of pax have direct aisle access as opposed to just 1/2. I was kind of hoping DL might do something like that on the 757s...oh well.

However, AA will have true direct aisle access in F on its A321s, with seats like its 773ERs and DL's 744s. That uses a lot more real estate though--probably wouldn't make sense for business class.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 17):
Same seats as UA and AA . Nothing new . Not very original . AA will still continue to lead the pact on the premium transcon market with their 4 class config . 1st , Business , Main Cabin extra , and economy .

As far as I know, this particular model (B/E Aerospace Diamond) is currently the only flat-bed J seat that will fit 16J on the 757 without going past the 2L/2R doors.

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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:45 pm

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 19):

Here's the seat map for those three BA A321s that have the flat-bed seats. There are three seats per row, so presumably in DL's 75Es they would only be able to squeeze in the same number of similar flat-bed seats per row, keeping in mind that there are only four rows in the 75E front cabin. Thus they would lose four seats compared to the sixteen non direct-aisle access flat-beds that are planned. In a 75E you can't have it both ways!

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri.../British_Airways_Airbus_A321_C.php
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:56 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 6):
Where will the mods be done? Possibly QPG, where the 43 B763ERs (and 15 still to be done) were modded?

That's a veeeery long trip for a 757 to be modded...Obviously will have to make 2/3 stops each way on the way to/from Singapore. Would be nice to spot one in Paya Lebar!
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:59 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 18):
Direct-aisle access would have involved losing probably four seats in what is already a fairly narrow/short cabin. Has any airline put direct-aisle access seats in their B757s in the front cabin?

I applaud DL's efforts to offer direct-aisle access on their flat-beds. They've successfully reached this goal with all other fleet types, but I haven't see any seats or configurations that allow for direct-aisle access in a 757 while still maintaining enough seats (16 in the premium cabin).
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:01 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):

As far as I know, this particular model (B/E Aerospace Diamond) is currently the only flat-bed J seat that will fit 16J on the 757 without going past the 2L/2R doors.

Makes sense. The slight angle squeezes a little bit of extra room.

Quoting audidudi (Reply 21):
Thus they would lose four seats compared to the sixteen non direct-aisle access flat-beds that are planned. In a 75E you can't have it both ways!

Yep, agreed.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 21):
Here's the seat map for those three BA A321s that have the flat-bed seats

Just a minor correction but there are 7 A321s in this configuration.
G-MEDF/G/J/L/M/N/U
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:23 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 17):
AA will still continue to lead the pact on the premium transcon market with their 4 class config . 1st , Business , Main Cabin extra , and economy .

Apart from having a true F class, I don't see how AA will be leading in all other classes. IN fact they'll be at parity based on UA and DLs plans (all offer an economy plus, flat-bed in J and IFE in Y).

The soft-product will be a differentiator and Delta has done a lot on pushing up the soft-product through Chef partnerships, Westin In-flight Bedding, etc.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:02 pm

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 26):
Apart from having a true F class, I don't see how AA will be leading in all other classes. IN fact they'll be at parity based on UA and DLs plans (all offer an economy plus, flat-bed in J and IFE in Y).

The soft-product will be a differentiator and Delta has done a lot on pushing up the soft-product through Chef partnerships, Westin In-flight Bedding, etc.

True F class is not enough to differentiate the product, but "chef partnerships" are. OK?
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:24 pm

I'm surprised (but of course pleased) that this not just going to be a case of replacing the existing seats with flat beds, but actually refurbishing the entire aircraft.

The lack of flat beds notwithstanding, these are already pretty nice airplanes. Nothing special, but they have modern seats and IFE and such. They're far from being in dire need of refurbishment. But I guess DL really wants to show its best side here, which as someone who pretty regularly flies from JFK to the west coast, is fine with me.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:27 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 18):
Has any airline put direct-aisle access seats in their B757s in the front cabin?

Good ole Eos Airlines. RIP
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:40 pm

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 30):
Good ole Eos Airlines. RIP

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Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 28):
True F class is not enough to differentiate the product, but "chef partnerships" are. OK?

F class is a differentiator. Yes, for consumers who purchase F.

For everyone else, how is AA leading the pack? Lie-Flat J, Main Cabin Extra and Main Cabin are parity to the other legacies on this route.

Given the parity on hard product, Airlines will need to compete on soft product, FF offering and service.

I have yet to see what efforts AA is making on these attributes, so therefore, outside of F, their product isn't currently differentiated.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:48 pm

There is nothing spectacular here it is the same product that AA will have and UA is installing in their business class cabins on JFK-LAX/SFO routes. I thought with all the flack UA took when they announced this same type of seating plan DL would have went in a different direction. In fact many people thought DL would go in a different direction by offering premium customers direct access to the aisle on these routes. But anyway this is more good news for passengers on these transcon routes and as I said in another thread JFK-LAX/SFO is getting all the love right now from all airlines.

Hopefully the rest of the country will see some upgrades in service as well but I won't hold my breath.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:12 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 33):
Hopefully the rest of the country will see some upgrades in service as well but I won't hold my breath.



From an economy paseenger's perspective, JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA is about as much you'll see on any US airline baring what AA offers out of MIA? to LAX.

Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

From a Delta fleet perspective, then entire fleet will finally get its refresh with the 32Ss being added to the list.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 30):

How many seats did Eos fit between 1L/R and 2L/R? 12 or 16? I was unable to find a seatmap.
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:29 pm

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 26):
Apart from having a true F class, I don't see how AA will be leading in all other classes. IN fact they'll be at parity based on UA and DLs plans (all offer an economy plus, flat-bed in J and IFE in Y).

The soft-product will be a differentiator and Delta has done a lot on pushing up the soft-product through Chef partnerships, Westin In-flight Bedding, etc.

I generally tend to agree. Delta has gotten very creative lately with differentiating their product in innovative ways. They have been out in front with truly elevating the onboard experience in the premium transcon markets. They also took a very novel approach to the LAX-SFO market, one in which they have until recently been a small and/or nonexistent player. We'll see how it works. Given what United is rolling out and especially what will soon be offered by AA, I think it's fair to assess that Delta's arguable lead in the premium transcon markets is set to largely disappear in the near future. Nonetheless, I think some of the other airlines could stand to take cues from Delta in this regard.

As for the specific markets in question - JFK-LAX/SFO and to some extent JFK-SEA - I think this is great news. Delta stepped up their emphasis in these markets, which is leading to a definite response from AA and United, which is in turn leading to improvements again from Delta. This is precisely the type of differentiation - based on something other than just price - that is finally now possible in an industry that isn't uneconomically fragmented and chronically loss-making as a result. I look forward to more of this.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:34 pm

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 30):
Quoting audidudi (Reply 18):
Has any airline put direct-aisle access seats in their B757s in the front cabin?

Good ole Eos Airlines. RIP

Only 6 of the 20 J seats on OpenSkies 757s lack direct aisle access, with the forward/backward-facing seats as on BA widebodies. And climbing over the adjacent passenger's legs from those 6 seats is easier than with the DL seats.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ope...es/OpenSkies_Boeing_757-200_V3.php
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:39 pm

Interestingly, it mentions the aircraft will be getting new lavatories with touchless flush. However, I wonder if they will still have that smelly blue recirculating liquid, or will they have a vacuum flush system. Hopefully they have the latter.
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:01 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 36):
I generally tend to agree. Delta has gotten very creative lately with differentiating their product in innovative ways. They have been out in front with truly elevating the onboard experience in the premium transcon markets.

We finally agree on something. That creativity has been paying off, both in terms of DL's perception and in rev.

I think the next game on transcon is differentiating the PremEcon experience. I know on some transcon flights, DL gives Y+ passengers a complimentary snack (I think they got a bagel, cream cheese and banana on my recent LAX-JFK morning flight, I was up front...). Not sure if the others do, but that might be the next area to play ball in. Upping amenities for Y+ to lessen the blow for Uber-Elites who miss the upgrade (given those are dwindling ever so fastly) as well as giving a noticeable difference for people to pay for - extra room, extra recline, early boarding, now a snack...

Quoting commavia (Reply 36):
They also took a very novel approach to the LAX-SFO market, one in which they have until recently been a small and/or nonexistent player. We'll see how it works.

This is one I'm interested in seeing. While DL's made inroads in the ex-LAX market, the LAX-SFO market is hugely saturated and DLs the late player.

Quoting commavia (Reply 36):
As for the specific markets in question - JFK-LAX/SFO and to some extent JFK-SEA - I think this is great news. Delta stepped up their emphasis in these markets, which is leading to a definite response from AA and United, which is in turn leading to improvements again from Delta. This is precisely the type of differentiation - based on something other than just price - that is finally now possible in an industry that isn't uneconomically fragmented and chronically loss-making as a result. I look forward to more of this.

The next few years will be interesting, especially as airlines gain pricing power. Time to compete on service like back in the day versus the continual race to the bottom.
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:07 am

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 32):
Given the parity on hard product, Airlines will need to compete on soft product, FF offering and service.

I have yet to see what efforts AA is making on these attributes, so therefore, outside of F, their product isn't currently differentiated.

How does the customer tell the difference between one soft product and the other? It's food and linens. When UA introduced PS Service, it offered the best food service on this route, but it didn't last long in part because very few passengers valued the difference between the food service on UA PS and its competitors.

Same with service, both on the ground and in the air.

So, that leaves FF program. (Delta's food better be good. LOL.)

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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:26 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
Only 6 of the 20 J seats on OpenSkies 757s lack direct aisle access, with the forward/backward-facing seats as on BA widebodies. And climbing over the adjacent passenger's legs from those 6 seats is easier than with the DL seats

I was referencing the defunct Eos Airlines. They operated 757s with 48 seats from JFK to Stansted.

Quoting questions (Reply 35):
How many seats did Eos fit between 1L/R and 2L/R? 12 or 16? I was unable to find a seatmap.

Eos had 12 between the first two doors. http://www.airlineexpert.com/_Eos_757_200.html

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Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:27 am

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 39):
I think the next game on transcon is differentiating the PremEcon experience. I know on some transcon flights, DL gives Y+ passengers a complimentary snack (I think they got a bagel, cream cheese and banana on my recent LAX-JFK morning flight, I was up front...). Not sure if the others do, but that might be the next area to play ball in. Upping amenities for Y+ to lessen the blow for Uber-Elites who miss the upgrade (given those are dwindling ever so fastly) as well as giving a noticeable difference for people to pay for - extra room, extra recline, early boarding, now a snack...

I understand what you are saying and to a point I agree but at the same time I find myself saying why stop there why not upgrade the entire inflight experience for all passengers on what the airlines consider to be premium routes. Delta has been out front leading the US airline industry for a few years now. If Delta would truly take the lead and upgrade the entire passenger experience for all passenger on their premium routes (JFK-LAX/SFO) AA and UA would be forced to follow suit. It is pass time that the legacies start thinking about their non premium passengers as well. A free bagel, cream cheese and a banana is a good start but I really feel like passengers who sit in coach are tired of being an after thought on legacy carriers.
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 38):
Interestingly, it mentions the aircraft will be getting new lavatories with touchless flush. However, I wonder if they will still have that smelly blue recirculating liquid, or will they have a vacuum flush system. Hopefully they have the latter.

Doubtful. Modifying the aircraft to add vacuum toilets would be an enormous undertaking.I have seen nothing to indicate this would happen.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:30 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
Only 6 of the 20 J seats on OpenSkies 757s lack direct aisle access, with the forward/backward-facing seats as on BA widebodies. And climbing over the adjacent passenger's legs from those 6 seats is easier than with the DL seats.

True, and agreed--I love the BA seats--but again, only 12 fit between doors 1 and 2. I suspect DL needed 16J in that cabin in order to make this work. Besides, the transcons are generally only 6 hours at most (eastbound can be quite a bit less--sometimes just 4 1/2 hours), so I think aisle access is somewhat less important on those routes. Would have been nice for DL's transatlantic 757 flights, but they're still on par with UA's 757s and slightly better than AA's in those markets.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:47 am

DL's onboard product is advancing on the Transcon market and it's beginning to mirror the short-haul international market. BE is essentially the same and EconComf is comp'd b/w/liq, free headsets for all and a snack/water for EC as well (that's in "addition" to regular service).

I'm wondering how difficult the vacu-lav system would be to retro. Any Boeing design folks on here? How much work is it? For the right price...
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:39 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 40):

Except time and time again economy passengers prove that the number 1 thing they are worried about when purchasing a ticket is ticket price
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:31 am

Quoting wdleiser (Reply 45):
Except time and time again economy passengers prove that the number 1 thing they are worried about when purchasing a ticket is ticket price

And time and time again the airlines have proven that they can not differentiate their product while in a race to the bottom so why would anyone in their right mind pay more for a commoditized product? An interesting element is the power of FF programs and how they have let the airlines mask the real problems of product/service differentiation for so long. If the FF programs did not exist the airlines would have had to reacted a lot differently a few years ago.
 
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:57 am

Quoting questions (Reply 46):

And time and time again the airlines have proven that they can not differentiate their product while in a race to the bottom so why would anyone in their right mind pay more for a commoditized product?

And how do you keep coming up with this "race to the bottom" when the airlines are spending billions on new a/c and refurbishing old a/c, just for the customers? Doesn't make sense. Also billions spent on facilities, etc.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:41 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
Interestingly, it mentions the aircraft will be getting new lavatories with touchless flush. However, I wonder if they will still have that smelly blue recirculating liquid, or will they have a vacuum flush system. Hopefully they have the latter.
Quoting B727FA (Reply 44):
I'm wondering how difficult the vacu-lav system would be to retro. Any Boeing design folks on here? How much work is it? For the right price...

Remember, on vacuum assist a/c, there is one tank, on non vacuum assist a/c there is a cespool for every lav. Pipping, duct work, the vacuum system itself. I've had the pleasure of seeing one broken down due to something being stuck in the system and it's not pretty.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:50 am

Although when you look at JetBlue and AA operating brand spanking new machines with what I think looks to be better hard products, the 757 and DL just doesn't seem so attractive.
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RE: DL 75E Flat-bed Preview (pics)

Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:05 pm

I love how the seats are angled towards the windows; it seems in so many new premium models, the seat is angled away from the window or the view is obstructed!

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