MAN News 50.. SV Restarting Ops

David_itl · Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:12 pm

You read right. SV have stated that in this article

"We have new destinations like Toronto and Los Angeles and we will operate to Manchester in Britain next year."

otherwise not a lot happening with steady rise in passenger numbers, and the airport's formal respose to the Davis Commission includes plan for a "proper" taxiway for 23R/05L, going from 99 stands to 145 stands and more than doubling passengers to 55 million passengers per year.

lisbonbearuk · Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:34 pm

There's been no EZY expansion recently...have they got nowhere else to go from MAN?

Luftymatt · Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:54 pm

Good news about SV. I wonder if it'll be with the A330? Possibly an aircraft better suited to the MAN route.

David_itl · Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:59 pm

I believe U2 are at the expected level of based aircraft they envisaged 3 years ago. Still plenty of scope for expansion which may well be allied to T3 being expanded.

oly720man · Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:06 pm

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):
23R/05

23L/5R

Sections 5.26 to 5.29 on p54 in this document cover the new taxiway, apron (rip AVP) and terminal expansion plans.

http://www.magworld.co.uk/magweb.nsf...ile/Long+Term+Capacity+Options.pdf

Mattuk · Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:17 pm

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...g-haul+to+mirror+condor+model.html

Interesting article about TCX planning to use MAN as a hub from summer 2014.

David_itl · Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:33 pm

MAN has also set a very ambitious target of 25 million passengers in 3 years

They state they'll be disappointed if there's no China link announced in the next 9 to 12 months.

behramjee · Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:13 am

SV would be better off operating JED-MAN-YYZ 3 weekly rather than JED-YYZ nonstop 3 weekly which would be very difficult for them to fill up even in peak season !

sk736 · Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:26 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 4):
Sections 5.26 to 5.29 on p54 in this document cover the new taxiway, apron (rip AVP) and terminal expansion plans.

It will be s shame if the AVP goes, but MAN will rightly use the land for whatever will make it the most money.

Boeing74741R · Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting sk736 (Reply 8):
It will be s shame if the AVP goes, but MAN will rightly use the land for whatever will make it the most money.

Agreed. At the end of the day, MAN has been very accommodating towards enthusiasts with the presence of the AVP and grasping the tourism potential of it, but if it feels it can make more money from using it as terminal/apron space then that's the way it should go.

Noting that the priority for expansion is Terminal 3, then 1 and then 2, as well as a parallel taxiway to 05R/23L, I suspect that any redevelopment of the land the AVP is on is quite a long way off when other expansion opportunities currently exist and can deliver easier and quicker benefits.

David_itl · Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:15 am

EK expected to upgrade EK19/20 to an A380 from 21st Sept to 30th Sept.

Cipango · Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:35 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 10):
EK expected to upgrade EK19/20 to an A380 from 21st Sept to 30th Sept.

Any idea why? I thought Hajj wasn't until October?

Luftymatt · Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:48 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 11):
Any idea why?

The flight is frequently overbooked, so it makes sense.

acelanzarote · Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:44 am

Since Concorde is at the AVP, is this area really going to disappear..thought they had made a big visitor attraction there...? I can remember years ago with the AVP was on the South side instead...the second runway saw it moved to its present location so sure if its in the way it will be moved again but this time a few planes/bits to also consider...

goosebayguy · Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:58 am

I think moving the AVP to the South Side would be a great idea. Especially for when taking photographs. Perhaps then a more permanent site would encourage the building of a proper air museum too with real buildings housing Concorde etc? It would make a great location and attraction.

David_itl · Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:29 pm

EK had over 64,000 passengers in July. 2,000 per day!!! This means that in 2 days EK gets more traffic than it did in the 1st 2 months of operations here in 1990.

[Edited 2013-08-17 13:36:17]

Danfearn77 · Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:53 am

That is phenomenal. Considering June, July and August are usually the quieter months due to the extreme heat in the Middle East that's very impressive. Assuming the morning and evening flights are operated by 364 seat configured aircraft and the midday flight by a 517 seat A380 I make that 2,400 available seats which means a load factor of 86%. It probably evens itself out as sometime they send a 2 class 428 seat 77W but the lower 489 seat A380. EK are quite regularly arriving and departing with a load factor in the mid to high 90's over these past few weeks so I'm sure August will prove to be the same.

Last year due to the lull around May and June the EK 21/22 was non op several days and whilst the A380 was having its wing crack issues the EK 17/18 was downgraded some days too, even to an A330 on several occasions.

Hurry up and get that A380'on the EK 19/20!

by738 · Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:46 am

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 2):

777 loaded so far. Quite a lot of seats to fill initially, but I don't think anything else much smaller in their fleet has the range

[Edited 2013-08-18 05:22:47]

Boeing74741R · Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:30 pm

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 13):
Since Concorde is at the AVP, is this area really going to disappear..thought they had made a big visitor attraction there...?

Nothing has been confirmed as such. The report purely lists options available to MAN if growth requires expansion to a level necessary to accommodate that. And if I'm honest, I think it will be about 20-30 years or so and other capacity expansion options available to MAN before it gets to the point where redeveloping the land the AVP sits on is required.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 14):
I think moving the AVP to the South Side would be a great idea. Especially for when taking photographs. Perhaps then a more permanent site would encourage the building of a proper air museum too with real buildings housing Concorde etc? It would make a great location and attraction.

Agreed. There would be lots of room to build a facility that could be bigger and better than what's there already, as well as for photographs as you say. It can be a challenge taking photographs facing the sun at the AVP.

ferengi80 · Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:04 pm

The only problem with the south side is that some of the land is owned by the National Trust, so not sure if they would be able to build there. Would certainly be a better location for the AVP though.

DIJKKIJK · Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:24 pm

SV have been recently offering real deal fares from the Indian Subcontinent/SE Asia to the UK and US, via RUH. They should add more destinations in the West and develop RUH as a functional hub to compete better with their Gulf cousins.

LH121GLA · Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:46 pm

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 16):
Hurry up and get that A380'on the EK 19/20!

Looks like it is happening from 21-30 September!

EK021 DXB0300 – 0740MAN 77W
EK017 DXB0715 – 1145MAN 388
EK019 DXB1435 – 1915MAN 388

EK022 MAN1000 – 2000DXB 77W
EK018 MAN1410 – 0015+1DXB 388
EK020 MAN2100 – 0705+1DXB 388

Luftymatt · Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 20):
They should add more destinations in the West and develop RUH as a functional hub to compete better with their Gulf cousins.

It's not going to happen, they're just not interested in doing that. Same goes for KU.

David_itl · Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:26 pm

2.2 million passengers in July which is the busiest for 5 years. Certainly perking up at the moment but they now need to go into "Gil Thompson" mode and start the terminal improvement and expansion phase now so that there'll be no buliding works when the airport is full.

David_itl · Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:17 pm

Brought into the open today that Expedia states "Direct flights to Dubai are only available from London airports (Heathrow and Gatwick) " for the UK traveller. The London überalles mindset helping to propagate the myth that you can only do long-haul by trekking to London?

rutankrd · Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 24):

Brought into the open today that Expedia states "Direct flights to Dubai are only available from London airports (Heathrow and Gatwick) " for the UK traveller. The London überalles mindset helping to propagate the myth that you can only do long-haul by trekking to London?

Daft yet try to book to Singapore with them and guess what they route you through DXB and EK before about nine rows down offering the SQ327 !

mainMAN · Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:46 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 23):
Certainly perking up at the moment but they now need to go into "Gil Thompson" mode and start the terminal improvement and expansion phase now so that there'll be no buliding works when the airport is full.

This always gets me thinking about the replacement of Terminal 1, which in my opinion is no longer really fit for purpose. It's functional, but the landside bits of check in and arrivals are horrible and claustrophobic. The first thing you notice as you arrive in the arrivals hall of T1 is a bank of slot machines; what a horrible first impression of Manchester they give people. Increasing capacity may be a challenge, but not if the whole facility was pulled back towards the station, giving more apron space and stands in the process. Doing so could also potentially ease taxiway access to Terminal 2.

The time to do this is now, when the other 2 terminals might feasibly handle any displaced traffic.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 24):
The London überalles mindset helping to propagate the myth that you can only do long-haul by trekking to London?

Many national newspaper travel supplements are also guilty of this.

col · Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:23 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 25):
Daft yet try to book to Singapore with them and guess what they route you through DXB and EK before about nine rows down offering the SQ327 !

Their pricing for SQ leaves a lot to be desired too. Always check the SQ web site, never trust expedia, I only use them and e-long for travel in China.

mainMAN · Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:54 pm

http://www.ringwaypublications.com/airline-operators/

Stupendous find, which I've copied from the other site.

I've wondered for years which airlines I used as a child..... Jersey in 1974, Toronto in 1977, Isle of Man in 1982 (people didn't fly quite as often in those days). The information is all here!

MAN2SIN2BKK · Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:56 am

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 28):
Stupendous find, which I've copied from the other site

Wow............. some memories here!

David_itl · Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:16 pm

Some sporting dates to put in your diaries for "special visitors".

Tue 17 Sep Man Utd V Bayer Leverkusen
Wed 02 Oct Man City V Bayern Munich
Thu 03 Oct Wigan v NK Maribor
Tue 08 Oct NBA Basketball
Thu 10 Oct Sale Sharks v Biarritz
Wed 23 Oct Man Utd V Real Sociedad
Thu 24 Oct Wigan v FC Rubin Kazan
Tue 05 Nov Man City V CSKA Moscow
Wed 27 Nov Man City V Plzen
Thu 28 Nov Wigan v SV Zulte Waregem
Tue 10 Dec Man Utd V Shakhtar Donetsk
Fri 13 Dec Sale Sharks v Oyannax (from France, prob use Geneva)

For the football at least, the teams need to be here 24 hours before the match.

also of interest is the extended dual runway opening hours:
A3014/13 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QMRAH/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5321N00217W005
A) EGCC B) 1308310158 C) 1310181900
E) CHANGE TO PUBLISHED OPR HOURS. RWY 23L/05R OPEN 0530-0930 AND
1200-1900 MON-FRI. WEEKEND OPR HOURS REMAIN UNCHANGED.
CREATED: 31 Aug 2013 02:01:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

David_itl · Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:59 pm

Nice visitor planned for 14th September: military serial PA474... the BoBMF Lancaster. Think the last time it visited MAN may well have been back in 1988.

Then on the 15th EY21 should see the F1 liveried A340 arriving then do a flypast over Dublin before back to it's nornal duties.

David_itl · Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:00 pm

Further to the Lancaster, 14th September is to be a day of celebration

"At intervals throughout the day there will be fly pasts and displays of vintage aircraft including the legendary Lancaster Bomber, Hornet Moth, Dragon and Morane Sauline.

The Blades, former RAF Red Arrows pilots who excel at formations and aerobatics, will also perform. Parachute group The Ravens’ seven man crew, will plunge from 5,000ft right into the Runway Visitor Park, armed with birthday messages, flags and smoke."

David_itl · Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:06 pm

Further to the MAN anniversary event next Saturday , this is what is scheduled between 1300 and 1800:

"The event activity will comprise visits by five historic aircraft and two aerial displays involving aircraft which will not land at Manchester."

"Two aerial displays are to take place overhead the airfield, both of which will require a suspension of runway operations on both runways for a 15 minute period. All times Local.
1615-1630 Aerobatic formation display
1725-1740 Parachute jump onto airfield"

2 arrivals and 2 departures currently scheduled for the 1st display
2 arrivals and 5 departures currently scheduled for the 2nd display

Not really affecting ops too greatly if everything runs according to plan.

Will be mostly offline for the next month so no updates from me for a while.

ferengi80 · Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:32 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 33):
1615-1630 Aerobatic formation display

Is this going to be the Red Arrows by any chance???

GT4EZY · Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:27 pm

A bit of a random post but I came across this pic of LHR's new T2....

https://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/2318751/L/

The geography of the area, the horizon, the ramp and general position of things made me think how this could be the new MAN T1 if it ever happened.

gkirk · Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:49 pm

There was also a visit from an LH A380 on a med divert this mornign D-AIMG IIRC operating IAH-FRA

oly720man · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:36 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 36):

There was also a visit from an LH A380 on a med divert this mornign D-AIMG IIRC operating IAH-FRA

enough to warrant a new banner photo for Manchester's spotting site

http://www.tasmanchester.com/Home.html

David_itl · Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:53 pm

Sir Gil Thompson has passed away at the age of 82. CEO of MAN from 1981 to 1993 which saw the airport broaden it's horizons and laid down a marker as a leading European regional gateway.

sk736 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 38):
Sir Gil Thompson has passed away at the age of 82.

What sad news. I worked for Manchester Airport during his time as Chief Executive and he was a real gentleman. No matter how junior you were, he always had time for a chat and showed a genuine interest in his staff.

gkirk · Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:11 am

bmi regional dropping Lyon from 11th November

flyhi · Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:54 am

ZB showing flights bookable on their site next summer from MAN to AGA, NBE and NAP

Mattuk · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:05 am

Quoting flyhi (Reply 41):
ZB showing flights bookable on their site next summer from MAN to AGA, NBE and NAP

Plus HRG on a ZB flight number, it's only ever been served under an MON charter code.

http://www.monarch.co.uk/offers/flig...s/new-destinations-summer-fourteen

David_itl · Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:51 pm

767 N767MW due into MAN around 2250 today (5.10.13) bringing in US basketball teams for a match on Tuesday. Arriving on an Atlas Air callsign.. GTI8502

BlueShamu330s · Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:05 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 38):
Sir Gil Thompson has passed away at the age of 82.

I find it absolutely appalling that the TAS website has not even acknowledged Sir Gill's passing; disgraceful.

rutankrd · Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 44):
I find it absolutely appalling that the TAS website has not even acknowledged Sir Gill's passing; disgraceful.

Agreed pretty poor

David_itl · Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:13 am

Little Red performance

Seems to be very inflated number of pax on MAN-LHR as at 4 sectors per day for 6 months, it would virtually mean 100% loads which does not tally with the anecdotal evidence.

RyanairGuru · Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:30 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 46):
Seems to be very inflated number of pax on MAN-LHR as at 4 sectors per day for 6 months, it would virtually mean 100% loads which does not tally with the anecdotal evidence

I agree, in fact it seems almost possible. 250,000 would be almost exactly 100% load on every flight!

8*30*6=1440
250000/1440=173.6 (out of 174)

davies2911 · Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:30 pm

Is it not likely that the acrticle has stated it wrong and 250k is across the board for all of Little Red and not just the MAN route?

David_itl · Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:02 pm

Some new routes for Jet2 next summer from their online timetabe

Jersey 3 weekly
Bergerac 2 weekly
Vienna 3 weekly

[Edited 2013-10-07 12:03:07]

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