EY Announces A380 Routes

Miami · Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:49 pm

Etihad Airways has announced it's first A380 routes, they will fly the A380 to Sydney & Melbourne in 2014.

Etihad Airways has 10 Airbus A380s on order with first deliveries due in late 2014.

Source: http://gulfbusiness.com/2013/08/etih...dey-melbourne-routes/#.UgK_p23YFeM

Wow. Etihad's A380 looks stunning.

-Miami

[Edited 2013-08-07 14:51:43]

KarelXWB · Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:59 pm

Construction of their first A380 has already started.

hooverman · Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:10 pm

And then LHR you may assume...?

L0VE2FLY · Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Wow. Etihad's A380 looks stunning.

I don't know about stunning! Their base color and cheatline are nice but their English title is absolutely hideous, I can't believe they hired a designer to come up with this ugliness!

NZ107 · Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:22 pm

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 2):

LHR and JFK as well.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/etihad-to-fl...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

SKAirbus · Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:20 am

So in 2014 LHR will have A380s from:

SQ EK QR BA EY MH and QF .... And possibly TG and KE?

Lufthansa · Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:30 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 5):
So in 2014 LHR will have A380s from:

Well it was the airport the A380 was designed in mind for. A slot restricted airport who's demand is growing but isn't going to get any new runways. And it's no surprise. the UAE can't add to many more flights to Australia so upgaging capacity is a MUST and Etihad have grown many times more popular thanks to the tie up with Virgin Australia. It's worked really well for them. This is the only way forward under the current bilaterals.

Danfearn77 · Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:59 am

I would have thought MAN will be quite high on their list....

Azure · Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:59 am

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 6):
Well it was the airport the A380 was designed in mind for

No ! The A380 was certainly not designed for just one airport, but to connect the world's "megacities". Of course London fits into this category all the more with the constraints at its main airport.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 6):
the UAE can't add to many more flights to Australia so upgaging capacity is a MUST

I believe the UAE / Australia bilateral agreement can be re-negotiated. The trouble is that the traffic rights are shared between EK and EY and this latter does not want to "catch up but to be a winner", per the wording of its CEO.

KLAXAirport · Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:07 am

YYZ would be good for Etihad. There could be great compatition with Emirates.

Gingersnap · Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:27 am

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 7):
I would have thought MAN will be quite high on their list....

Doubtful. MAN last time I checked received regular A332 service for the most part. If there was a capacity increase needed, then I'm sure we would have seen an upgrade to 77W or something by now. I'd say EK has the capacity for that area of the world covered for now.

[Edited 2013-08-08 03:30:41]

esdex · Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:01 am

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 7):

Completely agree. The most sensible post on topic by far. What fate QF international west of Singapore in 5 years.

EK413 · Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:09 am

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 3):
Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Wow. Etihad's A380 looks stunning.

I don't know about stunning! Their base color and cheatline are nice but their English title is absolutely hideous, I can't believe they hired a designer to come up with this ugliness!

What planet are from? It's by far one of the most classy schemes out there.

Looks stunning and looking forward to seeing this big bird amongst the crowds at SYD

EK8413

skipness1E · Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:26 pm

Do the loads on LHR really warrant an A380 for Qatar and Etihad or is this just a vanity trophy in a way that Emirates isn't. We still see A330s on both and they're not exactly packed out IMHO.

Quoting esdex (Reply 11):
What fate QF international west of Singapore in 5 years.

London for political reasons, it gives Emirates a virtua two more A380s on LHR-DXB and gives QANTAS a fig leaf of diginity. I'm not criticising QF mind, any port in a storm.

MEA-707 · Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:30 pm

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 3):
I don't know about stunning!

Love the sand/gold colours, logo is good but I think that bird on the tail is too militaristic and stuffy.

AA777 · Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:17 pm

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 3):

I don't know about stunning! Their base color and cheatline are nice but their English title is absolutely hideous, I can't believe they hired a designer to come up with this ugliness!

I disagree - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It looks unique and is uniform with the stylization of the Arabic and fits well with the rest of the livery.

-AA777

Flightsimboy · Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:46 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Etihad's A380 looks stunning.

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 3):
I don't know about stunning! Their base color and cheatline are nice but their English title is absolutely hideous, I can't believe they hired a designer to come up with this ugliness!

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
What planet are from? It's by far one of the most classy schemes out there.

Looks stunning and looking forward to seeing this big bird amongst the crowds at SYD

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
Love the sand/gold colours, logo is good but I think that bird on the tail is too militaristic and stuffy.

Quoting AA777 (Reply 15):
I disagree - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It looks unique and is uniform with the stylization of the Arabic and fits well with the rest of the livery.

The Etihad English Font is so classic!! I am not sure what you find so ugly about it LOVE2FLY? lol...I total agree with the rest of the comments. I absolutely love everything about Etihad the colour on the fuselage, the cabin colours and above all the FA uniforms!

Yes the bird on the tail is a bit out of place, but it is the UAE coat of arms I believe. And Etihad is the official carrier of the UAE

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 9):
YYZ would be good for Etihad. There could be great compatition with Emirates.

She would look so majestic coming in to land in the afternoon sunlight....will almost make Emirates bland white colours almost forgettable!!

solnabo · Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:14 pm

Wooow, my favourite livery hands down

Can´t wait to see her fly

//Mike

EddieDude · Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:46 pm

Very cool livery! Love it!

Do you think CDG will eventually become an A380 station?

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 3):
their English title is absolutely hideous

You mean the Western alphabet title?

boeingrulz · Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:48 pm

Quote:
You mean the Western alphabet title?

To be correct, the letters are in the Latin script.

L0VE2FLY · Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:25 pm

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 9):
YYZ would be good for Etihad. There could be great compatition with Emirates.

It would be good for them due to the traffic restrictions in Canada.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):

Quoting AA777 (Reply 15):

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 16):
The Etihad English Font is so classic!! I am not sure what you find so ugly about it LOVE2FLY? lol...I total agree with the rest of the comments. I absolutely love everything about Etihad the colour on the fuselage, the cabin colours and above all the FA uniforms!

The photo provided by the OP is small and doesn't show the ugliness of their English title, especially the E & A, this one does...

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
I think that bird on the tail is too militaristic and stuffy.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 16):
Yes the bird on the tail is a bit out of place, but it is the UAE coat of arms I believe. And Etihad is the official carrier of the UAE

An oversized country's coat of arms belongs to a presidential or government aircraft not an airline's fleet.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
You mean the Western alphabet title?

Yes.

Viscount724 · Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 16):
And Etihad is the official carrier of the UAE

All carriers based in the UAE are "official carriers". EY uses that reference only because AUH is the UAE's capital.

EY is no more the single "official carrier" of the UAE than any U.S. carrier is the official carrier of the U.S.

EK413 · Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:46 am

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 20):
The photo provided by the OP is small and doesn't show the ugliness of their English title, especially the E & A, this one does...

& once again have no idea what your carrying on about??? The livery / titles look great!

EK8413

SKAirbus · Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 20):
An oversized country's coat of arms belongs to a presidential or government aircraft not an airline's fleet.

May explain why Air Serbia aircraft are going to have the country's coat of arms on the tail.

MadameConcorde · Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:22 am

Much respect for Etihad competing with their giant neighbour airline Emirates.

I will be happy to see their first A380 up in the skies!

frigatebird · Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:34 am

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Wow. Etihad's A380 looks stunning.

Yes it does. Much better than EK's, for example.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 13):
Do the loads on LHR really warrant an A380 for Qatar and Etihad or is this just a vanity trophy in a way that Emirates isn't. We still see A330s on both and they're not exactly packed out IMHO.

A couple of weeks ago a walked past a LHR gate where passengers just started boarding an EY A346. I don't think it was much more than 100-120 people.

cedarjet · Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:10 am

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Wow. Etihad's A380 looks stunning.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
It's by far one of the most classy schemes out there.

You cannot be serious. The logo on the tail is so ugly and awful, it's the kind of thing you'd see on the uniforms of riot police in a fictitious dictatorship in a TV movie. How anyone thought it was a good idea to put on the tail of a commercial airline is utterly beyond me. Yes the colours on the fuselage are nice and the airline have a great product onboard but the tail is a shocker. When will it go the way of their extremely confusing coral / emerald / pearl class designations?

behramjee · Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:19 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 25):
A couple of weeks ago a walked past a LHR gate where passengers just started boarding an EY A346. I don't think it was much more than 100-120 people.

Was it the afternoon EY 020 dep LHR 1445 service? As this is their weakest flight in terms of S/F out of LHR due to no onward connections to India/PAK/BKK/DAC/KTM/CMB/China/ICN/NRT etc.

frigatebird · Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:32 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 27):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 25): A couple of weeks ago a walked past a LHR gate where passengers just started boarding an EY A346. I don't think it was much more than 100-120 people.

Was it the afternoon EY 020 dep LHR 1445 service? As this is their weakest flight in terms of S/F out of LHR due to no onward connections to India/PAK/BKK/DAC/KTM/CMB/China/ICN/NRT etc.

I believe so, yes.

L0VE2FLY · Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:21 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 22):
& once again have no idea what your carrying on about??? The livery / titles look great!

EK8413

To each his own, I think it looks unprofessional and needs a major redesign, except for the base color and cheatline.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 23):
May explain why Air Serbia aircraft are going to have the country's coat of arms on the tail.

Are you telling me that this...

Looks like this!

...

.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 26):
You cannot be serious. The logo on the tail is so ugly and awful, it's the kind of thing you'd see on the uniforms of riot police in a fictitious dictatorship in a TV movie. How anyone thought it was a good idea to put on the tail of a commercial airline is utterly beyond me.

Good one cedarjet.

Danfearn77 · Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:57 pm

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 10):

MAN receives double daily A330 operations and in July the average LF was running into the mid 90's i believe. When taking the MEB3 into account, MAN is one of the highest in Europe for frequency to the middle east. I believe it was second behind LHR but that was while QR was at 2 daily. (Now 10 weekly)

EY may well put a 3rd daily at MAN before the A380, but it wont take long to show. Especially as EK are rumoured to be close to going 2 x A380 from MAN.

ytz · Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:08 pm

Why do they make the Arabic writing less prominent than the English writing?

kl911 · Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:06 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 26):
When will it go the way of their extremely confusing coral / emerald / pearl class designations?

What's confusing about that?

Viscount724 · Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:13 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 32):
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 26):When will it go the way of their extremely confusing coral / emerald / pearl class designations?What's confusing about that?

It's no more confusing that Oneworld's status tiers - Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald.

David_itl · Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:45 pm

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 30):
EY may well put a 3rd daily at MAN before the A380, but it wont take long to show. Especially as EK are rumoured to be close to going 2 x A380 from MAN.

This December 2011 article contains this:

"As chief executive James Hogan meets Business Week, there is yet more good news, with the Australian signalling his intention to introduce up to two more daily flights within the next five years, as well as doubling the size of the call centre."

So, no A380 but we just need to wait for the next frequency announcement (to be followed swiftly by QR and EK doing likewise). Or any variation of that as what 1 airline reveals, the other 2 do similar.

lightsaber · Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Etihad's A380 looks stunning.

I do not know what it is... It is a fine livery.

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 7):

I would have thought MAN will be quite high on their list....

Not for 2014. LHR, JFK, JED, MEL, SYD, BKK, CDG, and NRT/HND should be higher on EY's list. MAN will happen, just give it time.

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 30):
EY may well put a 3rd daily at MAN before the A380, but it wont take long to show. Especially as EK are rumoured to be close to going 2 x A380 from MAN.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 17):
Wooow, my favourite livery hands down

KE's 'Pepsi light' livery is my favorite. But to each their own.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 32):
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 26):
When will it go the way of their extremely confusing coral / emerald / pearl class designations?

What's confusing about that?

Having their own terminology means one has to stop and think. Different cultures value different precious stones differently. So now one has a get past one's own cultural filter to remember if emerald or pearl is a higher class. It depends on which culture one is from on which is supposedly worth more.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
It's no more confusing that Oneworld's status tiers - Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald.

I swear someone was drunk or stoned (probably a bit of both) when that was arrived at.

Lightsaber

TheRedBaron · Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:57 pm

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 20):
The photo provided by the OP is small and doesn't show the ugliness of their English title, especially the E & A, this one does...

Looks like a Rock band Logo (and a Bad one)

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35):
KE's 'Pepsi light' livery is my favorite. But to each their own.

Ah ah ah!! you made me laugh, I landed on Lax last monday and my son saw the KE A380 and told me surprised, WOW Pepsi cola has a Huge Plane!!! LOL

TRB

Danfearn77 · Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:51 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35):

Completely agree. The airports you list are much more likely to see the A380 before MAN. But, Whilst it isn't going to happen immediately, MAN will happen at some point In the short to medium term as opposed to the longer term. A rumour I'd heard around work a while ago now was MAN was to see one of the earliest frames but that obviously isn't the case. As David says, once capacity is ramped up by one carrier the other usually bites. And having 2 EK A380's per day might just push EY in changing their plans and bringing MAN forward 6-12 months, who knows. As we know, frequency is king but one of their established departures now could justify the increased capacity. I wouldn't mind having one of their 77W's back. Before MAN went 2 daily we had one daily 777 and it has to be the best looking aircraft in the skies!

behramjee · Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:50 am

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 30):
EY may well put a 3rd daily at MAN before the A380, but it wont take long to show. Especially as EK are rumoured to be close to going 2 x A380 from MAN.

EY will fail if a 3rd daily service to MAN or any other currently operated double daily EU point is increased because they have not yet adequately built up a proper 3rd departure hub wave bank at AUH airport for the 0200-0330 time frame bound to Asia. Currently, its 1445 departure from LHR (the 3rd daily flight) is the weakest amongst the 3 because it can only feed GCC, KUL and MNL. They need to first build their Indian Subcontinent network to double daily frequencies at least before deciding to do the same with double daily USA and 3rd daily EU flights.

Currently their mainland EU double daily flights to CDG MAN FRA connect nicely in both directions via AUH to all the key markets and they are flown by A332s/A333s. Before going to 3 daily, it would be wiser to upgrade to B77Ws first.

brightcedars · Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:36 am

Well, talking about their names, Etihad is really the United version in the UAE while Emirates can be assimilated to American in terms of naming. I don't think either has any kind of flag carrier status though.

skipness1E · Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:29 am

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 37):
As David says, once capacity is ramped up by one carrier the other usually bites. And having 2 EK A380's per day might just push EY in changing their plans and bringing MAN forward 6-12 months, who knows.

There's a slight difference in this case, we call it a "willy waving competition". Emirates are a commercial success, QATAR and ETIHAD less so, indeed I personally see Etihad as a vanity project. It's not run on a commercial basis, so whether they follow EK and send their A388s to MAN will be more political than commercially driven. Capacity dumping into an emerging market grows market share and visibility for future traffic, however doing the same in a maturing market still drives yields down with little upside. The growth of Emirates at MAN is not predicated on stealing existing traffic from BA/KL/AF/LH anymore, they're now engaged in a war with EY/QR. Remember QR blinked and cut capacity, Etihad are talking about deploying the A380. Only one of these decisions I would say makes any sense commercially.

EY sponsor Manchester City as they are desperate to raise their visibility on the world stage, and also of Abi Dhabi. Much of this is politics on stilts.

Danfearn77 · Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:01 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 40):

There may very well be a case of 'mines bigger than yours' going on. But both EY and EK see opportunities at MAN so surely you try to offer the same or a better product than your competitors to entice passengers? A lot of people flying east would prefer to fly on an A380 as opposed to an A330. I would. And if EY know that they may try to stop that shifting of passengers by putting The A380 on one of their two rotations.

As someone mentioned, they lack that third wave at AUH to successfully add a third flight from MAN, even though the airline has said that's in their plans. So upping capacity is the way to go at the moment. It would certainly be justified based on performance. Both flights arrived and departed with mid to high 90'% LF's yesterday, and that's been a story of the summer. Whether that's with an A380, A340 or a 77W who knows.

FCAFLYBOY · Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:35 am

Etihad is actually the national airline of the UAE not Emirates. I much prefer them to EK livery and flying wise, just that little bit more subdued and classier than EK who need to shout about everything -much like BA/VS I suppose.

Cannot believe some of the comments on their livery - they have what is considered to be one of the nicest and most stylish in the industry. I love it.

Danfearn77 · Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:36 am

Agreed about the livery. On their 77W's I don't think there is a better looking aircraft!

skipness1E · Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 43):
Agreed about the livery. On their 77W's I don't think there is a better looking aircraft!

Absolutely ruined for me by the enormous advertising banner down the back, the same as Gulf Air. Beautiful scheme whos lines are destroyed by "FORMULA 1!" advertising.

skipness1E · Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 42):
Etihad is actually the national airline of the UAE not Emirates. I much prefer them to EK livery and flying wise, just that little bit more subdued and classier than EK who need to shout about everything -much like BA/VS I suppose.

Emirate have a semi-commercial existence where they are required to make money, Etihad are the (un-needed) flag carrier of the UAE. Spot the difference and see why one can afford to be more relaxed.

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