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Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:56 pm

Recently discovered that Singapore Airlines stops in Munich on it's way to Singapore from Manchester with very cheap fares for this sector. With this in mind, are there any other long haul carriers that do this in Europe or are Singapore Airlines the only ones...?
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:06 pm

LAN operates a MAD-FRA flight. Not sure if this is seasonal, but it's a tag on LA704. So the overall routing is SCL-MAD-FRA-MAD-SCL.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:08 pm

There used to be a lot more of these fifth freedom flights than there are today. EG Pan Am and DL used to have a Euopean hub at FRA - having said that, the connecting flights were largely with short haul aircraft.

Off the top of my head, I think KE, some of the smaller Middle-Eastern airlines (KU, RJ, Saudi Arabian) and some African carriers (Ethiopian) still fly fifth freedom tag on flights with long haul aircraft in Europe.
 
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:09 pm

It's quite common in Japan. Many domestic hops are on widebody airframes, some of which are convertible to long haul standards.

Also many flights from NRT-Korea are on 747s, A380s, and 777s.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:10 pm

KL was at one point flying an A330 AMS-LHR in the early morning - connecting with one of their long haul arrival banks.
 
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:23 pm

Iberia flies the A330 between ORY and MAD.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:27 pm

EI flies A330 between AGP and DUB (and vv)
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 4):
KL was at one point flying an A330 AMS-LHR in the early morning - connecting with one of their long haul arrival banks

And before that it was common to see a few KL 767s in the mix on this same route. The bottom line is it happens way less frequently than it used to, but it does happen today. It seems the trend is dispatching 1 aircraft per city pair, instead of one plane that may stop 3-4 times before it's final destination. Sigh.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:46 pm

IB has a 5 x week A340-600 LHR-MAD.
KU uses the A300-600 4 x week CDG-FCO and 2 x week GVA-FRA, one of the few remaining ways to fly the A300 in Europe.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:49 pm

US flies A330s and 767s from CLT to PHL and MCO, whilst they fly A330s to SJU from PHL.  

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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:53 pm

Emirates and Qatar fly 777-300E's on DXB-DOH. 35-minutes trip and you get a meal.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:56 pm

Not scheduled as such but BA regularly fly longhaul 767 as a sub for a shorthaul on euro and domestic sectors.

As well as this when shorthaul aircraft are tech it's not uncommon to use longhaul aircraft to cover, more so ex LGW when last year it happened a few times getting a 772 on LGW-MAN/EDI/GLA.


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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:57 pm

Quoting abrown532 (Thread starter):
any other long haul carriers that do this in Europe

Air Berlin flies the A330 to Malaga (AGP), and Thomas Cook / Thomson fly the A330/B767 to the Canary Islands too.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:38 pm

ET have a once weekly 787 FCO-LHR [northbound only I believe]
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:04 pm

AC has a daily 763 YYZ-YHZ-YYZ. It's the aircraft that operates YHZ-LHR-YHZ (with a change of flight number at YHZ in each direction).

AC also operates the 763 YYZ-YUL-GVA (both directions).
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:24 am

QF have 767s and A330 regularly are scheduled on MEL - SYD.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:36 am

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 15):
QF have 767s and A330 regularly are scheduled on MEL - SYD.

Isnt there also a QF BNE-SYD on a 744 ? or has that now ended ?


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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:12 am

DL will fly a 777LR ATL-DTW and ATL-LAX and back
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:21 am

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 16):
Isnt there also a QF BNE-SYD on a 744 ? or has that now ended ?

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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:26 am

AA used to fly GRU GIG GRU with a 777.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:30 am

or those infinite amount of 333s 772s and 744s that plow between HKG and TPE everyday ? 1:15 - 1:30 flight but mostly done by widebodies across the carriers.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:32 am

UA does SYD-MEL and vv.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:45 am

AC regularly has 77Ws 77Ls 330 or 767s doing YUL-YYZ or YOW-YYZ (this usually only the 767) in the past they had lots of 340 or 330 action on YVR-YYC.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:52 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 22):

AC regularly has 77Ws 77Ls 330 or 767s doing YUL-YYZ or YOW-YYZ (this usually only the 767) in the past they had lots of 340 or 330 action on YVR-YYC.


They've also had B767, A340s and B747s running between YYC and YEG.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:53 am

DL used to fly a 772 route from CDG-MCO and then continuing to ATL. I flew a lot on the MCO-ATL segment in the early 2000s.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:58 am

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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:03 am

Here in Brazil I know UA flies GIG-GRU with a 772 for the GIG-GRU-IAD flight. I think JJ does use some of the A332/763's on some flights to MAO from GIG and GRU.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:05 am

Emirates also fly an A380 on the SYD-AKL route.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:10 am

Quoting Mark2fly1034 (Reply 17):
DL will fly a 777LR ATL-DTW and ATL-LAX and back

I guess it depends on the definition of "short hop".
ATL-DTW I would say short hop, but ATL-LAX, not so sure.
At AA we have 767's DFW to LAX/SFO/MIA and return. ORD-MIA and return. JFK-MIA and return.
The 777s and 767's we have domestically other than these are transcons. 777's are only on MIA-LAX-MIA 2 frequencies daily.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:20 am

I flew on a Jetstar 330 between OOL to SYD last year as a domestic extension of an international flight from KIX a few months ago. We even had to go through customs both ends.

I didn't mind until we has to pay another $5 for a bus ride back to the domestic terminal.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:24 am

AY is flying an A343 HEL-BRU for the period 6 June till 24 October on Thursday's AY811.
CA operates MUC-ATH as an extension of its PEK-MUC flight CA962, twice weekly on A332.
AB sporadically uses an A332 on AB8722 TXL-BCN, mostly over the summer.

Outside Europe, JQ uses A332 for JQ35 & JQ29 SYD-MEL. BA uses 77E for BA125 BAH-DOH. CX uses A333 for CX104 ADL-MEL and CX146 BNE-CNS, both of which are triangle routes.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:43 am

Philippine Airlines (PAL) would fly 747-400's, A330's, and A340's between Manila and Cebu (1 hour flight), Manila and Davao (1.5 hours), and General Santos City (1.5 hours). Occasionally, Puerto Princesa (1 hour flight) also gets an A330.

Also, if you consider a 1 hour and 45/50 minute flight as a "short hop", then PAL, Cathay Pacific, EVA Air, and China Airlines are guilty of flying 747-400's, A330's, 777's (PR and CX) , and A340's (PR, CX, CI) on the following routes: MNL-HKG vv., MNL-TPE vv.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:45 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 27):
Emirates also fly an A380 on the SYD-AKL route.

And MEL-AKL, with BNE-AKL starting in October.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting Reffado (Reply 26):
I think JJ does use some of the A332/763's on some flights to MAO from GIG and GRU.

JJ will soon deploy the 77W on the GRU-MAO route thrice weekly alongside the A332 service. TAM now deploys both the 77W and A332 on the GRU-SCL route daily. Within South America, LA deploys the 763s on short-haul flights i.e. SCL-EZE, SCL-GRU, SCL-LIM, LIM-CCS, LIM-GYE, etc.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:50 am

Years ago DL used to operate a L1011 BDL-BOS, continuing onto BDA.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:50 am

As for European widebody flights. TK has quite a few, although, some wouldn't consider these flights as all that short, but they are European.

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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:52 am

BUT, not to get off topic as I reminisce,
I worked DC10's:
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DFW-AUS
DFW-SAT
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DFW-DTW
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:57 am

For those who don't remember, DL used to fly lots of 764ERs on ATL-MCO/FLL/TPA, with the occasional ATL-JAX/MIA/PBI. DL lost lots of money flying them on these routes, and I heard rumors that the FAA even threatened to revoke the ETOPS certificates for DL's 764ER fleet. Thus DL decided to move them to international routes.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:09 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 27):
Emirates also fly an A380 on the SYD-AKL route.

And MEL-AKL, with BNE-AKL starting in October.

Not to mention CI 333s (and soon 744) LA 343, NZ 77E/77W/744 trans tasman.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:15 am

I don't know about now (though I don't see why it would have changed); I used to make the hop from Narita to Shanghai Pudong often from 2001 to 2008, and it was quite regularly flown in 747, 767, or 777 depending on airline (Air China, All Nippon, JAL, China Eastern; even Korean once, I think). Also, I've flown 744 (JAL) from Hong Kong to Taipei several times, about 6-8 years ago. That flight was VHHH-RCTP-RJAA. Had one of the closest calls of my life on approach to Taoyuan one day, in that plane...
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:48 am

Don't forget the hops to MVD that UA used to make on a 763 as a tack-on from EZE.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:51 am

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 28):
ATL-DTW I would say short hop, but ATL-LAX, not so sure.

I definitely would. The T7 hasn't even began to stretch its legs on an ATL-LAX run. Wouldn't even classify that one as a transcon.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 37):
and I heard rumors that the FAA even threatened to revoke the ETOPS certificates for DL's 764ER fleet. Thus DL decided to move them to international routes.

That's completely false. Just so you know and don't repeat that  
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:52 am

DL used to fly ATL-SNN-DUB-ATL. I got to do that back in 2002. SNN to DUB is 121sm!
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting Zudnic (Reply 40):
Don't forget the hops to MVD that UA used to make on a 763 as a tack-on from EZE.

AA used to deploy the 763 and 777 between EZE and MVD. Currently AF operates CDG-EZE-MVD with the 777 without Fifth Freedom Rights on the EZE-MVD-EZE sectors.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:16 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 37):

I remember flying the ATL to MCO route on an L1011. Those were the days  
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:45 am

LAN does MIA-PUJ
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:47 am

Quoting xlc (Reply 42):
DL used to fly ATL-SNN-DUB-ATL. I got to do that back in 2002. SNN to DUB is 121sm!

How did they do that? Do they have fifth freedom rights in Ireland?
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:51 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 34):
Years ago DL used to operate a L1011 BDL-BOS, continuing onto BDA

DL used to run L10s & 767s PDX-SEA, As well as BN 747s, EA AB3s & L10s, UA D10s, NW 747s & D10s, TW L10's & 767s, TZ L10s, CO D10s, HA L10s, PA 747s. The 30 minute flight almost always had a drink service and sometimes a snack.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 36):
HNL-OGG (we didn't work, we sat! )

When we lived in HNL, we used to take AA most often to OGG, they had 2 DC-10s a day, UA had a D10, and 2 DL L10's.
And as you said, unlike HA who busts out a POG service on 30 min flights, the big planes did not have beverage services.
IIRC, the r/t fare on AA was $88.00 r/t, but UA and DL had similarly low fares.
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:55 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 45):
LAN does MIA-PUJ

LAN also flies MIA-CUN-SCL without Fifth Freedom Rights between MIA and CUN.
 
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RE: Short Hops On Long Haul Aircraft. Common Or Not?

Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:04 am

DL used to run a flight DFW-FLL-PBI on a 757. That tag from FLL to PBI was one heck of a rocket ride!!

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