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Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:37 pm

It's been some time since EK, QF, KE and BA have had service to DFW. Always seeing full flights when I go to BNE or LHR is good to see, but is simply demand higher than what the 744 can handle? I remember at one point that BA had twice daily 772 service and then started 1x daily 744. As well as Qantas holding off on their next 2 A380 orders, probably to wait for the longer range models to come out. Could we see possibly one of the two airlines have A380 service in the future? I can also predict that KE could sometimes use their A380s since the Dallas area having a thriving Korean population. If anyone knows of any clues or facts about this, let me know! I'd love to one day watch a super jumbo land at DFW  
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:50 pm

I think that QF has already stated that when they get IGW A380s, they would be deployed to DFW.
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:45 am

Quoting KenanC (Thread starter):
I remember at one point that BA had twice daily 772 service and then started 1x daily 744.

Sorry, BA has never had two daily scheduled flights to DFW. It was one 772 for ages, and now a daily 744 for the past two years or so.

Quoting KenanC (Thread starter):
I can also predict that KE could sometimes use their A380s since the Dallas area having a thriving Korean population.

I'ld like to see it, but with two daily flights between KE and AA, I would imagine that is more than enough life for now. If AA was to drop off, then maybe KE would go back up to a 744, which they have used from time to time on ICN-DFW.
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:53 pm

What about EK??? maybe when they get the IGW planes we can see them flying to DFW.
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:18 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):

I think IAH will get to see those first.
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:40 pm

I actually flew on the first BA 777 flight to DFW back in 1998. The registration was G-VIIK and was in the "Animals and Trees" scheme of the world tails. The flight to LGW the week before was on a DC-10-30ER, "Sherwood Forest."
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:48 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
What about EK??? maybe when they get the IGW planes we can see them flying to DFW.
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):
I think IAH will get to see those first.

Slightly off topic but when is IAH getting the IGW EK A380? LAX seems to be starting early Dec 2013.
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:26 pm

I would like to see DFW get the QF 380 and IAH get the EK 380.




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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:33 pm

We have to think about this stuff logically and not go overboard. I refuse to let any DFW thread turn into mindless drivel and clueless predictions like all the IAH threads do. That said, lets look at potential candidates based on the foreign carriers that currently fly here:

LH: No. This one doesnt even require me to give a reason.

KL: See LH.

EK: No. I do think DFW-Gulf needs more capacity than what it currently has, but I think it will come in the form of QR not a EK 380.

Korean: Nothing has made me happier than to see KE succeed in DFW. They defied all odds, went up against AA, stood their ground, and found their niche. While the Dallas area does have a good sized Korean community with two Koreatowns (one in NW Dallas and the other in Carrollton), that isnt going to bring the 380 here. All this said, KE isnt going to bring the 380 to Dallas. Their daily 777 along with AA's daily 777 is quite enough capacity in the market. It doesnt really need to go higher than that.

BA: Im going with no on this one as well. DFW-LHR is a very lucrative market and one of the most important city pairs to the BA/AA joint venture, however this market requires frequency, not bulk. This market runs 3-5x daily depending on the time of year. Thats also where I see the future of this route. I do not see the BA 380 here, however I would not be surprised to see a BA 747 or 77W here in place of one of the other AA flights.

QF: This is the best shot for DFW. At some point, I think QF is going to want to connect SYD and DFW nonstop both directions. The problem is the current configuration is not a good fit for the route. If they come out with a less premium configuration, I would think DFW would be a good candidate for a QF 380, but dont look for it soon.

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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:26 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
I refuse to let any DFW thread turn into mindless drivel and clueless predictions like all the IAH threads do.

Come on B! Lighten up a bit   It's only AvensaB727 and his puerile replies.

On a side note, has the A380 visited DFW or has the LH flight to IAH made a diversion to DFW?

Also, does DFW have a gate(s) ready for the A380?
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:48 am

I think there are plans for 2 A380 gates in Term D at DFW, but I have no idea
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:50 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 9):
Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 10):

No, DFW does not have A380 equipped gates, I think it is too early for the airport to consider that as this is only in the works. But runways can handle takeoff and landing lengths. They probably will do stairs and bus pax to the terminal just like they do now with QF 747.
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:09 am

KenanC,

Passengers on the QF 747 use a gate, not stairs and buses.

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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:37 am

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 12):

Whenever I pass by, I notice that it always is swarmed by a bunch of baggage carts and stairs not near a gate? Do they just disembark the pax and push back to that area?
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:05 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
If they come out with a less premium configuration, I would think DFW would be a good candidate for a QF 380, but dont look for it soon.

This is very possible PROVIDED QF actually take the deferred 8 A380s, which will be the IGW version and I believe will be 3 class cabins, on current plans.

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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:16 am

A good summary by LAXdude. I always enjoy your DFW posts.

I too am a hard core DFW supporter, but a realistic one as well. It took a long time for DFW to get any 747 service like QF and BA, so jumping the gun to a A380 is a bit much. Also, it took a long time to get where we are with regards to KL and EK. Heck, I am still smarting from the very brief AF service to CDG in the early 2000's and Sabena to Brussels. That's how far I go back.

I am worried about LH. It has been a long time player, but with the Indian population doing EK and BA now obviously LHR instead of LGW, their demand obviously has lessened.
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:37 pm

Related comment agreeing with KE at DFW, very surprised it's held. Another fact that I thought would doom it was removal of DL hub in 2005 (? Or 2006?). But they've kept it with a 777, Daily. Props to KE!
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:45 pm

I think because the Dallas-Fort Worth area is not the center of the oil industry like Houston is, don't expect anyone to fly the A380-800 there anytime soon. EK may just end up flying maybe two 777-300ER and (eventually) two A350XWB-1000 flights per day between DXB and DFW.
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:24 pm

KenanC,

Correct, after disembarking, the push it back and will service it there before pulling it back to the gate before departure. It arrives around 1-2 pm and departs around 10:30 pm.
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:56 pm

DFW, no. Wish the 380 would be here, but don't see it.

I do think we have QR to look forward to in the next year or two. Alliances have changed the game the last few years which would cause one to think BA or QF might some day, but as mentioned above, DFW has no 380 gates. Also, LHR is about frequency (same as ORD), so there will me more flights on smaller planes than fewer flights on the 380 (and AA seems to want this and is happy to let BA have their single 744 a day). And just think, a few years ago DFW-London went to Gatwick, BA struggled, and AA flew it waiting for LHR to open up.
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:24 pm

I agree with others that the chances of DFW seeing the A380 at any time in the near future are quite low, as the market simply doesn't need a plane that big. I also do concur that at some point, if there is to be scheduled A380 service to DFW, QF nonstop both directions to/from SYD is the most likely route. Frequency is too important to LHR for that route to make sense, and I definitely don't see LH or KE bringing it in from FRA or ICN, respectively, given that capacity (together with AA) is already sufficient - or possibly too large - on both routes.

On another note, though, it appears as if CX is examining the possibility of sending a 77W on DFW-HKG. I continue to believe that this would be a winner for whichever carrier - AA or CX - started it. Not only would this provide ample connectivity between the second largest hub in North America and one of the largest and most centrally-located hubs in East Asia, but it would also provide one of only two nonstop links between China and the southern U.S. I think that market is large enough for another contender, and I think AA or CX on DFW-HKG is the right fit.
 
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:14 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
QF: This is the best shot for DFW. At some point, I think QF is going to want to connect SYD and DFW nonstop both directions. The problem is the current configuration is not a good fit for the route. If they come out with a less premium configuration, I would think DFW would be a good candidate for a QF 380, but dont look for it soon.



As LAXdude1023 points out, unlike the other carriers mentioned QF don't really have an appropriate platform to do SYD-DFW at this point in time. It is pushing the boundaries for the 744 which often has to make a tech stop to refuel and payload limits apply (such as leaving pax luggage behind). In contrast - LH, KL, EK, KE and BA are all operating aircraft that are (to my knowledge) well within their capabilities to reach DFW with a reasonable payload.

QF do not operate the 772ER, the 77L or the 77W   so the 744 is the best fit they have at this point in time - and its not a particularly good fit. There is a compelling case to replace the 744 sooner rather than later. The only long haul platforms QF have on order is the 789 and the 380 so it has to be one of them and the 380IGW is the most likely candidate.


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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:41 pm

StickShaker,

Just a little bit of a correction. While they occasionally need to make a tech stop, the QF 744ER does not have to do it very often.

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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:19 am

This may have already been discussed on another thread, but could QF's current A380s do SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD? If it could, what would be some barriers that QF would put to not upguage the route in late 2014/early 2015 or so?
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:26 am

Hasn't QF said that they want to fly the A380 to DFW as soon as they get the lighter version? I can also see BA flying it being a Oneworld hub.

I'm not a fanboy of Dallas in the slightest but I can guarantee you they will see the whalejet sooner or later. It's the next biggest US city lacking the service.  
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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:56 am

I seem to be one of the few optimistic on an A380 to DFW. But, a route that is going to wait for the wing twist A380s and probably a MTOW increase to make the routes economics.

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 6):
Slightly off topic but when is IAH getting the IGW EK A380? LAX seems to be starting early Dec 2013.

That is with the delivery of EK's first wing twist A380 that also has a few other weight reduction improvements. Give EK enough time to receive another 3 or so A380s with the wing twist and the crew rest and I see IAH being their next North American destination.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
EK: No. I do think DFW-Gulf needs more capacity than what it currently has, but I think it will come in the form of QR not a EK 380.

Upgauging is a cheap way to add the capacity... I'm will respectfully disagree with you on this point.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Korean:

No one expected KE to do as well as they have. I see potential for an A380 here, but not for 3 to 5 years.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
QF: This is the best shot for DFW.

This we can agree on. ULH at less than daily frequency will be all about improving margins.

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RE: Will DFW Ever See The A380?

Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:27 am

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 22):
StickShaker,

Just a little bit of a correction. While they occasionally need to make a tech stop, the QF 744ER does not have to do it very often.

Thanks for that. QF received quite a bit of bad publicity when they commenced the route so it may have been overplayed somewhat. However, QF have openly admitted that they are operating the 744 at its limits and prefer to do so rather than operating a small sub-fleet of 77L's or 77W's.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 23):
This may have already been discussed on another thread, but could QF's current A380s do SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD? If it could, what would be some barriers that QF would put to not upguage the route in late 2014/early 2015 or so?

I would think that all of their existing 380 frames are fully committed and that QF are waiting for the more capable versions available soon as detailed by lightsaber.


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