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psa1011
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 48):
Here is the proposed schedule.

Effective June 11, 2014.

Mon/Wed/Sat
UA8 SFO-CTU 1335-1850+1

Mon/Wed/Fri
UA7 CTU-SFO 1000-0850

I thought there was no more gate space for United around mid-day, but I guess I was wrong.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:16 pm

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 50):
I thought there was no more gate space for United around mid-day, but I guess I was wrong.

Concourse E should be open by then and UA can shuffle some domestic flights around to make space.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:56 pm

Does UA still have the SFO>CAN rights? I would have bet that this new route was to CAN. I wonder if this is driven by the corporate contract clients request? It's certainly a new approach for UA to launch a non-daily route. I imagine this will prove future route approaches with Wuhan, CAN, etc.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:01 pm

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 51):
Concourse E should be open by then and UA can shuffle some domestic flights around to make space.

I didn't realize that the opening date was that soon....they are making progress clearly then.

You are quite right thought UA can very easily tow the aircraft over to F for departures...3 or 4 of the gates should be able to handle the 787. They used to operate quite a few 747 flights out of that concourse years ago.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 52):
Does UA still have the SFO>CAN rights?

No they let the authority lapse but there are plenty of unused US-China frequencies available right now so it would be easy enough to pick CAN rights up if they wanted.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 53):
No they let the authority lapse

Do all route authorities lapse or can some be dusted off and used again? ie. ORD-ICN, LAX-GRU
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:23 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 54):
Do all route authorities lapse or can some be dusted off and used again? ie. ORD-ICN, LAX-GRU

Authorities have a dormancy period. Basically use them or lose them.

However something like ORD-ICN could start tomorrow as S. Korea has openskies agreement with the US.
LAX-GRU however would not be possible due to limited available authorities and fact that AA just received the route.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:26 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 15):


It's slightly different as NZ withdrew from LAX-SYD and LAX-HNL, while UA withdrew from LAX-AKL. To my knowledge the full text of the codeshare agreement has never been released

NZ couldn't carry local traffic LAX-HNL under any circumstances as that is a U.S. domestic route. And NZ may still have 1-2x weekly AKL-HNL (which UA canceled years ago). Stranger things have happened.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:28 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 55):
LAX-GRU however would not be possible due to limited available authorities

Oh well, Open Skies with Brazil will solve that problem in a couple years. How packed is GRU airport?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:31 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 57):
Oh well, Open Skies with Brazil will solve that problem in a couple years. How packed is GRU airport?

I hear it's packed at various times of day. I think if UA were to restart GRU from the west coast, though, it would be from SFO.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 56):
And NZ may still have 1-2x weekly AKL-HNL (which UA canceled years ago). Stranger things have happened.

NZ runs HNL/AKL on MWF. Great daily loop to close by UA and only needing one extra plane (763) as new metal arrives. Would give *A daily service. HNL has non-stops from every UA hub except for CLE and would be a great place for a cnx compared to LAX. Two 9-hour flights are better than a 4 and a 14.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:12 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 57):
How packed is GRU airport?

Currently it is really packed. No gates available on peak times, and no parking spots for new aircraft spend the day.

By 2Q14 the new terminal should be ready, and new gates/parking spots available.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:24 pm

In spite of all the recent rumors, I really didn't expect this to happen. Then again, I don't think any UA announcement will ever shock me as much as KWI did!

The 787 really is an amazing tool for UA, which previously was limited to very premium-heavy sUA 747s and 777s and a limited number of equally large sCO 777s (22). I certainly expected the 787 to assume secondary transpacific routes (i.e. LAX-PVG, SEA-NRT, SFO-KIX, perhaps also IAD-PEK) and "connect the dots" (i.e. DEN-NRT nonstop, perhaps resume SFO-NGO, LAX-MEL nonstops, etc.), but I really didn't expect them to overfly partner hubs at ICN, NRT, and PEK to serve CTU with their own metal. In terms of new routes, I would have expected SFO-CAN, SFO-FUK, or even SFO-MNL before this. In any case, I'm sure UA has done its homework and will do well.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:45 pm

SFO-CTU will be a great addition to the UA trans-Pacific network. Another big missing route that UA should considor re-starting is LAX-HKG. LAX-HKG has a large local market and is only served non-stop by CX.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:46 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 52):
I wonder if this is driven by the corporate contract clients request?

...hint hint.... Apple
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:52 pm

Quoting TWA85 (Reply 62):
Another big missing route that UA should considor re-starting is LAX-HKG.

UAL1 was a -400 LAX/HKG for years. Not sure why is got scrapped if it was such a good market.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting justinlee (Reply 41):

But this makes sense for European and ME carriers, as CTU is much closer than PEK/PVG/HKG, requires less fuel, and significantly less backtracking for anyone going to Sichuan, Guangdong, etc. It actually makes perfect sense to me that European and ME carriers would want to try the bigger western cities on the rise (AY just opened XIY this summer too, and I think that the Shaanxi region is up and coming in a big way).

I'm hoping that UA can make this work, and obviously this it the "promise" of the 787 that we all want and hope for, but I do remain a bit skeptical.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:55 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 64):
Not sure why is got scrapped if it was such a good market.

Loads were not the problem.

1) 2008 fuel run up to $140/bbl
2) Yields. Half the flight was ethnic Saigon destined traffic.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
MEL-SFO? Given the downgrade from B744 to B777 on SFO-SYD and LAX-SYD?

I must of missed this? I just searched the forum and didn't see anything on it either? When is UA cutting back to 777's to Australia?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting sennabestever (Reply 67):
When is UA cutting back to 777's to Australia?
UA is replacing the 744s with 777s in the spring.

UA SFO-KIX 787, US-Australia 777, 744 Back To ORD (by LAXintl Aug 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)

SFO-KIX also goes 788 in April
ORD-FRA, NRT and PVG will also go back to being operated by 744s.
SFO-CTU & SFO-TPE will also launch

Lots of changes next Spring for UA across the Pacific...

Edit: Just to clarify something LAX/SFO-SYD will be operated by 3 class 777s.

[Edited 2013-08-29 11:16:48]
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 53):
I didn't realize that the opening date was that soon....they are making progress clearly then.

Concourse E was supposed to open in October but I believe it was pushed back to Feb 2014 at the earliest. By June still seems to be likely for completion if there are further delays but even if E is not ready I am sure it will not stop SFO-CTU.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:36 pm

Quoting civetfive (Reply 31):

SFO-CTU is 6870 miles, about the same distances as SFO-HKG. Its also CA's third hub.

CTU is actually CA's 2nd biggest hub(2nd biggest SA hub too I believe), PVG is a important gateway for CA but the domestic coverage, as one big part to support a hub in China, is just not as great as what CTU gets
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting bogoss (Reply 70):
CTU is actually CA's 2nd biggest hub(2nd biggest SA hub too I believe), PVG is a important gateway for CA but the domestic coverage, as one big part to support a hub in China, is just not as great as what CTU gets

SZX I believe is China's second largest Star Alliance hub, thanks to Shenzhen Airlines
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 48):
Mon/Wed/Sat
UA8 SFO-CTU 1335-1850+1

Mon/Wed/Fri
UA7 CTU-SFO 1000-0850

From those times it looks like the aircraft RONs at CTU from 1850 to 1000 (15:10). Is that enough time for crew rest, or would the crew end up with 2/3 days downroute?

And can someone please remind me which bases crew the 787, IAH/EWR?
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:40 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 72):
From those times it looks like the aircraft RONs at CTU from 1850 to 1000 (15:10). Is that enough time for crew rest, or would the crew end up with 2/3 days downroute?

And can someone please remind me which bases crew the 787, IAH/EWR?

More then likely it will be a 2 day layover in CTU and most likely a 6 day trip for NTA & NLS crews.
Day 1 EWR - SFO Deadhead
Day 2 SFO - CTU
Day 3 CTU Layover
Day 4 CTU Layover
Day 5 CTU - SFO
Day 6 SFO - EWR Deadhead

So far the only 787 pilot base is IAH.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 72):

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 48):
Mon/Wed/Sat
UA8 SFO-CTU 1335-1850+1

Mon/Wed/Fri
UA7 CTU-SFO 1000-0850

From those times it looks like the aircraft RONs at CTU from 1850 to 1000 (15:10). Is that enough time for crew rest, or would the crew end up with 2/3 days downroute?

And can someone please remind me which bases crew the 787, IAH/EWR?

Yes, all current 787 flying is done by either the international base in Houston (HTA), or the international base in EWR (NTA)
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:52 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 68):
Lots of changes next Spring for UA across the Pacific...

I've been told that United is anxiously awaiting the ability to swap 777 pilots between sCO and sUA fleets. It think it's a safe bet that this would coincide with some fleet redeployment to more accurately match the demand.

My prediction is EWR-HKG/PVG/PEK/NRT will go three class sUA. Perhaps IAH-NRT too. Therefore some SFO/LAX/ORD flying will go two class sCO on the 777.

Still uncertain about LHR. I wonder if UA will commit to First for the LHR market?
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:57 pm

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 69):
Quoting United1 (Reply 53):
I didn't realize that the opening date was that soon....they are making progress clearly then.

January 31, 2014 target date for the keys to be handed over.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 56):
NZ couldn't carry local traffic LAX-HNL under any circumstances as that is a U.S. domestic route.

No local traffic apart from ID pax.

However, LHR-HNL and NAN, APW/TBU, RAR and AKL stopover pax were carried. Would like to see the Pacific Island routes via HNL resumed with the A321NEO from 2017. Air NZ has 11 A320 options available from about then.

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