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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:39 pm

DL loaded FAT-ATL, but it was cancelled before the first flight. HA had a FAT-HNL for Pleasant Hawaii that had one departure and was then cancelled. The L-1011 was simply too large for the route.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:50 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 49):
uoting flashmeister (Reply 28):
AS YVR-SNA in 2002... announced and sold the route, started operating it, and only then noticed that there were no customs facilities at SNA. Even though pax precleared at YVR, they need agents at the other end to be in compliance with federal rules.

I don't understand this. Both AC and WS have flown scheduled non-stop flights from Canada (pre-cleared) to SNA.

At the time AS planned to start service the required inspection facilities didn't exist. The requirements must be met now since WS operates YVR-SNA daily.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:52 pm

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 42):
Air Canada's YYZ-DAB was dead on arrival in the mid-2000s

AC also operated YYZ-ONT and YYZ-SJC, neither of which lasted very long.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:01 pm

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 2):
DL did SAN-HNL for about five minutes.

To be fair, that was not a new route........DL had SLC-SAN-HNL service, a continuation of the WA service before the merger.



I also recall, sometime in the mid 80s, before the WA merger, when DL was all set to operate SLC-MSY (727), when it was cancelled the week it was supposed to begin. Timetables, both city and system, had already been printed and sent out..........I believe there was already advertising for it, but I'm not sure.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:18 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 53):
Quoting psa1011 (Reply 2):
DL did SAN-HNL for about five minutes.

To be fair, that was not a new route........DL had SLC-SAN-HNL service, a continuation of the WA service before the merger.

Speaking of Western, their "Londoner" DC-10 service HNL-ANC-LGW and LAX-LAS-DEN-LGW lasted about 18 months in 1980/81.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:25 pm

AA had a flight from JFK to Toulouse which lasted one summer back in 1987, those were the days when AA was battling TWA and PA at JFK with 767's.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:37 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 55):

AA had a flight from JFK to Toulouse which lasted one summer back in 1987, those were the days when AA was battling TWA and PA at JFK with 767's.

I find it ironic that a flight from JFK to TLS, the home of what was then Airbus Industrie, was flown by a Boeing product (767ER).
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:31 pm

Not as short as some mentioned, but I know MKE-BKG on FL was a short term dud. I'm not sure it even lasted 2 months.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:43 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
It started about 5 days before 9/11 and then DCA was closed for awhile and it moved to IAD, before resuming when DCA opened.

I flew AS SEA-IAD several times.

They even used their 739As on the route, and loads seems to be good.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:50 pm

US has cancelled PHX-MIA before it even started....
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:02 pm

Courtesy: Toledo Blade - From June 21, 2012

Vision Airlines Pulls Out Of Toledo After Less Than A Month

"The Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority announced today that Vision Airlines will withdraw its Toledo route, which began flying June 1, after the round trip flight of June 29. The port authority statement blamed poor ticket sales for the airline’s pull out."

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/...oledo-after-less-than-a-month.html
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:09 pm

Any route operated by the third incarnation of Pan Am....during their Guilford Railroad ownership. I think they served New Haven from Baltimore for all about four months...though that may have been one of their longer lasting stations!
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:15 pm

I think AA flew ORD - DME ( Moscow ) only for 6 months or so ......
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:46 pm

Another one: Branson AirExpress from IND-BKG.

Lasted a little less than two months, as people know that Branson is an easy drive from Indy.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:00 pm

CLT-LRM/KIN didn't last very long.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:25 pm

I think posting all these routes that have gone more than 1 flights are bit pointless...since they obviously aren't going to be the fastest.  
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:34 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 63):
Another one: Branson AirExpress from IND-BKG.
Lasted a little less than two months, as people know that Branson is an easy drive from Indy.

Dunno, it's close to an eight-hour drive, long enough for flying to be a reasonable alternative.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 51):

SNA, with the completion of the terminal expansion 2 years ago, has the ability to welcome international flights. There are now flights to YVR and Cabo San Lucas (FL) in Mexico ( there may be others, but I can't name them off the top of my head.)
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:57 pm

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 67):
SNA, with the completion of the terminal expansion 2 years ago, has the ability to welcome international flights. There are now flights to YVR and Cabo San Lucas (FL) in Mexico ( there may be others, but I can't name them off the top of my head.)

Both 4O and FL have been flying SNA-MEX for some months now. Btw, flights coming from YVR are pre-cleared in Canada and don't require FIS facilities.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:02 am

How long did the Saturday-only PHX-LGA on US last? It couldn't have been more than a month.

How about PHX-MBJ?
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 68):
Btw, flights coming from YVR are pre-cleared in Canada and don't require FIS facilities.

As was stated in several different posts above, pre-cleared flights still require some sort of CBP presence, in case the flight needs to be recleared.

Until the expansion, SNA had zero CBP presence (not so much as an office) on the field.

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 69):
How long did the Saturday-only PHX-LGA on US last? It couldn't have been more than a month.

I think it lasted about 2 months. Although it was a reincarnation of sorts, as HP did the Saturday LGA flying as recently as 2006.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:33 am

After much discussion, it looks like the 2 flights terminated the fastest were:

SNA-YVR on AS
LHR-TIP on BD

Both managed one flight each

Unless someone can think of more that terminated after 1 flight
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:26 am

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 69):

How about PHX-MBJ?

I think it lasted a season.

What killed this route? Low yields? I also seem to recall that West A320s/A319s aren't overwater equipped so if it was operated by a West bird, it would have made a detour around the gulf, which would have wasted time and fuel.

I know Air Jamaica served this route at one point so demand for Jamaica must be there.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:53 am

PHX MBJ was opb East metal, 319 I believe.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:01 am

I remember in the summer of 1999, NW started SFO-MSP-OSL on the DC-10-30. It was gone before the year came to an end. I think only three or four months?
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:39 am



Quoting chepos (Reply 73):
PHX MBJ was opb East metal, 319 I believe.

Yep. The aircraft would route PHL-MBJ-PHX and back the opposite way the next morning. Sitting as a RON for 18 hours wasn't exactly the best idea.

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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:47 am

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 71):
After much discussion, it looks like the 2 flights terminated the fastest were:

SNA-YVR on AS
LHR-TIP on BD

Both managed one flight each

Unless someone can think of more that terminated after 1 flight

As I mentioned in reply #53, in the mid 80s, DL had a flight, routed SLC-MSY that was cancelled before it ever operated, within just a very few days of its start date. Timetables, both city and system, as well as promotional materials had already been printed and distributed. I think the route was changed to DEN-MSY instead.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:56 pm

Quoting pwm2txlhopper (Reply 74):
I remember in the summer of 1999, NW started SFO-MSP-OSL on the DC-10-30. It was gone before the year came to an end. I think only three or four months?

I remember that flight.

As I recall, It was miserably marketed. I didn't even know it existed until it ended.

I'm guessing the flight was communicated to ethnic community groups throughout the upper Midwest -- but to no one else.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:45 pm

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 71):
After much discussion, it looks like the 2 flights terminated the fastest were:

SNA-YVR on AS
LHR-TIP on BD

Both managed one flight each

Indeed, and for flights which never took off (not intended in the OP) the 1st place seems to go to DL with ATL-NBO.

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 71):
Unless someone can think of more that terminated after 1 flight

Or a flight which took off but never arrived at the intended destination.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:51 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 77):
I remember that flight [NW SFO-MSP-OSL].
As I recall, It was miserably marketed. I didn't even know it existed until it ended.
I'm guessing the flight was communicated to ethnic community groups throughout the upper Midwest -- but to no one else.

While there are many people of Scandinavian descent in the upper Midwest, by now most of them are several generations removed from the actual immigrants. I would highly doubt that a MSP-OSL flight would get more than a trivial amount of VFR traffic.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:24 pm

Quoting PROSA (Reply 79):
While there are many people of Scandinavian descent in the upper Midwest, by now most of them are several generations removed from the actual immigrants. I would highly doubt that a MSP-OSL flight would get more than a trivial amount of VFR traffic.

Yes, yes, of course.

But it's a moot point since the flight disappeared from the skies in 1999.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:33 am

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 17):

SNA now has customs because of Interjet? Or is it Pre clearance?
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:02 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 77):
I remember that flight [NW SFO-MSP-OSL].
As I recall, It was miserably marketed. I didn't even know it existed until it ended.
I'm guessing the flight was communicated to ethnic community groups throughout the upper Midwest -- but to no one else.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 79):While there are many people of Scandinavian descent in the upper Midwest, by now most of them are several generations removed from the actual immigrants. I would highly doubt that a MSP-OSL flight would get more than a trivial amount of VFR traffic.

Agreed, sadly fewer and fewer Americans of Scandinavian descent strongly identify with their heritage. FI pretty much serves the needs of Scandinavia-bound traffic from MSP. I still think SK could make MSP work, but they'd probably want to do it via their main international hub at CPH, which might be a drawback.

As for quick-dropped routes, as I just posted in another thread, DL's BGM-JFK service was very short lived. It was not conveniently scheduled for passengers connecting to and from TATL flights out of JFK, which would have generated more traffic.

AC's YHZ-IAD service only lasted a few months, if I recall correctly. The only time I flew it, AC was still operating CRJ-100s as mainline service, before they were transferred to Jazz / AC Express. UA now operates this route, apparently successfully.

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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:22 am

Quoting KenanC (Reply 81):

SNA now has customs because of Interjet? Or is it Pre clearance?

As mentioned above, both 4O and FL have service to Mexico from SNA.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:09 am

Wilmington, Delaware (ILG) seems to have lost service quite quickly every time it has been introduced in recent years, despite having had relatively stable service (albeit mainly as a quick stopover between DCA, BWI and PHL) in the 1960s and 70s. Most recently, DL tried and dropped ILG-ATL. F9 is trying it now, hope they make it work.

Although many consider northern Delaware to lie within "easy" reach of PHL or BWI, getting to either of these airports for a morning flight is no laughing matter! Traffic delays and the risk of missing one's flight are a strong possibility. Trust me, I've done it -- thank you, Girard Point Bridge repainting project!  

While we're at it, Dover, Delaware (KDOV) ought to have scheduled service as well -- at least a connection to DCA, BWI or PHL, if not points beyond. It's a large enough market for both civilians and military personnel, and is several hours from any of the above cities or SBY.

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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:28 pm

NW USA-AMS-BLR was cancelled about a few days before the first flight took place.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 36):
Wow, never heard of MSY-AMS nonstop NA DC10. Whoa.. I must've missed that. I have oldest OAG books ever keep since 1980

PA took over NA IIRC in 1980 and NA may have already dropped that run.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:09 pm

Quoting whatusaid (Reply 50):
DL loaded FAT-ATL, but it was cancelled before the first flight.

DL did BUR-ATL for a very short time also with a 757. It doesn't quite match stuff like AS SNA-YVR, but it was a very short-lived route.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:30 pm

DL operated CMH-MYR in the early 2000s with Comair. I don't know how long it lasted, but I remember as a kid being surprised to see the route in place.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
That route never even started IIRC. Flights that were announced but never started would be another interesting thread. AA SJC-RDU would be one of these.

Skybus had either applied for or received authority for CMH-NAS, but it never started. Same with CMH-CUN, though that was operated before by U5 and operates today with DL.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 42):
Air Canada's YYZ-DAB was dead on arrival in the mid-2000s

Why didn't this ever, pardon the pun, take off?
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 2):
Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
I was quickly thinking about NW and the DFW-LGA route that was loaded and then dropped before it was ever flown. The only purpose was retaliation against AA for LGA-MSP but it was ill conceived and they later thought better of it.

CO LAX-ORD?

DL did SAN-HNL for about five minutes.

Continental flew LAX-ORD nonstop from 1959 with the introduction of the 707-124 until about 1979 with DC-10's, and they flew several frequencies daily. SAN-HNL was a WA route and Delta didn't keep it that long but it did last I think for a couple of years, and long enough to be switched from DC-10 to L-1011.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:37 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 89):
Continental flew LAX-ORD nonstop from 1959 with the introduction of the 707-124 until about 1979 with DC-10's,

They also had a nonstsop MDW-LAX DC-7B "Club Coach" as of sometime in early 1958. It appears in their May 1958 timetable. It was a redeye eastbound.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:48 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 90):
Quoting milesrich (Reply 89):
Continental flew LAX-ORD nonstop from 1959 with the introduction of the 707-124 until about 1979 with DC-10's,

They also had a nonstsop MDW-LAX DC-7B "Club Coach" as of sometime in early 1958. It appears in their May 1958 timetable. It was a redeye eastbound.

CO inaugurated Chicago Service from LAX with the DC-7B. The Viscount 812 did not have the range so they used the Viscounts on flights via DEN and MKC to MDW. ORD service started with the first Golden Jets, the 707-124. Continental was the third US domestic carrier to receive jet deliveries, excluding the leases by National of Pan Am 707s. This was big news because two years previously, Continental was basically a Mountain West Regional Carrier but considered a Trunk Carrier.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:25 pm

That's right Raffik ! AC from YUL to BEY .The service was scheduled to begin operation Tuesday June 3, 2003 departing YUL. The first scheduled departure from BEY was scheduled for Thursday June 5.
Because of national security reasons,the federal government directed the Canadian Transportation Agency to suspend the license which it had granted AC on March 28, 2003.

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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:32 pm

Quoting KL577 (Reply 43):
???-AMS-BLR on NW.
Quoting hohd (Reply 85):
USA-AMS-BLR was cancelled

It was SEA-AMS-BLR. Hard to believe they cancelled it a few days before the launch. This route probably has the best yields among all of the USA-India routes.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:29 pm

Quoting SATexan (Reply 93):
It was SEA-AMS-BLR. Hard to believe they cancelled it a few days before the launch. This route probably has the best yields among all of the USA-India routes.

They did however. The flight was initially suspended for a short period untill they suspended it indefinitely due to the increased fuel costs (we're talking 2005 here) and low demand. If you don't believe it just read this article

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati..._northwest-air-carrier-fuel-costs.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:05 pm

Here are some of the ones I remember:

F9 from DEN to SBN: service lasted less than a year. Ends Monday.

NW BDL-AMS: lasted less than a year.

NW SEA-LHR: lasted less than a year.

AA from ORD to NGO: lasted 6 months.

AA from ORD to EZE: lasted 8 months.

AA SJC-TPE: lasted 5 months.

AA SJC-CDG: lasted 5 months.

AA DFW-KIX: lasted 9 months (second attempt).

AF DFW-CDG: lasted 5 months.

DL ATL-KWI: lasted a year.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:23 pm

G4's had plenty of sudden route cuts to the point where one union is actually urging airports to demand long-term commitments from G4 in exchange for service, but the cutting of several routes from FLL including both FWA and SBN has to be some of the most sudden. In the case of both stations, it was the quickest route cut from G4 (and to this day, the only route that G4 has cut from SBN).

Another fast and far more famous (by a.net standards) route cut from G4 was ORH-SFB. There, the mayor of ORH called G4's execs "charlatans" for pulling out of ORH fast.
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 95):
NW BDL-AMS: lasted less than a year.

I believe BDL-AMS came and went a second time also.

As mentioned, SEA-YXS lasted about two months.



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 95):
AA SJC-TPE: lasted 5 months.

AA SJC-CDG: lasted 5 months.

Yep. They each started on the same day and ended on the same day.

Several others come to mind that were short lived:

DL SJC-CVG
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:41 pm

United's DEN-LHR nonstop did not last long.

Started as a regular service was immediately curtailed to summer only service and in a couple of years was discontinued!

Not because they were not doing well on that route by all inputs i have received but they thought they could use the equipment better.
 
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RE: What Scheduled Route Was Terminated The Fastest?

Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:36 am

AA had a LAX/MSP redeye and CO had a SAN/ORD which I thought were odd and were short lived. AA also put a super 80 on the LAX/IAD redeye that I think was short lived as a note of interest.
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