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Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:30 pm

After securing pre-delivery payment financing from VEB Leasing in the beginning of the year, Transaero now selected to Engine Alliance GP7200 to power its A380s. The Russian carrier has also agreed to a 12-year Fleet Management Agreement to cover the maintenance, repair and overhaul of the engines.

The Engine Alliance press release also partly reveals the cabin layout: the planned passenger capacity of the aircraft will be 640-650 seats, including 12 seats in first-class and 24 in business class. Transaero will put the A380 on high density routes.

First delivery is scheduled for 2015.

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http://enginealliance.com/pr/pr_082913.html

[Edited 2013-08-31 08:33:10]
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RE: Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:34 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Transaero will put the A380 on high density routes.

So I'm guessing JFK, LHR (at first, for training), HKG, LAX, BKK, and MAYBE MIA?

[Edited 2013-08-31 08:35:21]
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RE: Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:56 pm

See A380 Production Thread Part 14, 2 days before.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 137):
Transaero Airlines selects the GP7200 engine to power its A380s. The planned passenger capacity of the aircraft will be 640-650 seats, including 12 seats in first-class and 24 in business class.

http://enginealliance.com/pr/pr_0829....html
A380 Production Thread Part 14 (by jetblueguy22 May 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:15 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
So I'm guessing JFK, LHR (at first, for training), HKG, LAX, BKK, and MAYBE MIA?

No more like the bread and butter 744s routes today.

Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, Spain, Thailand etc..

For instance Antalya Turkey, UN many days can have up to 5 744s back to back.
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RE: Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:24 pm

Very interesting development.

It seems that Transaero will be the first airline to use the A380 as a high-density, leisure-oriented aircraft. It will be interesting to see it in ALC, LCA or AYT.
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:37 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):

No more like the bread and butter 744s routes today.

Cyprus, Turkey, Egypt, Spain, Thailand etc..

For instance Antalya Turkey, UN many days can have up to 5 744s back to back.

Right, why didn't I think of those routes?
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:39 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Transaero now selected to Engine Alliance GP7200 to power its A380s.

  

Seriously, I am impressed with how well RR has done acquiring new customers.


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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:11 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
Seriously, I am impressed with how well RR has done acquiring new customers.

Sarcasm?   
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RE: Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:37 pm

Are airports like AYT, RHO, LCA, SSH etc A380 ready ? I can forsee long turnaround times to get 650+ pax and baggage off if there are no double height jetties for example.
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:52 pm

For Turkey the national airport operator a bit back said they would make 7 commercial fields ADG VI compliant, including Antalya.

At many smaller fields the 744 today parks remotely anyhow, so I dont think its a big issue with the A380. Simply put up a bunch of stairs and let the people off.
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:55 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 7):
Sarcasm?

Not in the least. Which is why I'm excited about this order.

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Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:00 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 8):
Are airports like AYT, RHO, LCA, SSH etc A380 ready ? I can forsee long turnaround times to get 650+ pax and baggage off if there are no double height jetties for example.

EK uses the A380 and the airport has no jet-bridges at all (and Saudi immigration is usually a mess...)
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:54 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
640-650 seats, including 12 seats in first-class and 24 in business class. Transaero will put the A380 on high density routes.

Why such a small Business Class ? An airplane this size should have 50 J class seats or as many as 100. 24 seems awfully small.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
Seriously, I am impressed with how well RR has done acquiring new customers.

Me, too. Since it appears they have successfully exercised Jedi mind tricks on people to have them forget QF32, and the fact that the GP7200 is a better engine!
  
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:06 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 4):
It seems that Transaero will be the first airline to use the A380 as a high-density, leisure-oriented aircraft. It will be interesting to see it in ALC, LCA or AYT.

EK originally announced plans for a higher-density A380 configuration with over 600 seats for use on certain regional routes, probably mainly India. But since the Indian government has banned the A380 from serving India those plans seem to have been put on hold.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:22 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
probably mainly India.

There are other regional destinations as well as mid haul (under 10 hour flights) that EK could use the type. When they are ready, we'll see the type. I'm just amazed at the fraction of A380s going to EK... 7 more to be delivered in 2013!   

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Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:23 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Transaero will put the A380 on high density routes.

TLV!! TLV!! TLV!!

They already have 5 flights a day here, with noon flights always with widebody plane.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Why such a small Business Class ?

UN's 777s have just 10 seats on JCL! Very small premium classes on UN.
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:28 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 8):
I can forsee long turnaround times to get 650+ pax and baggage off if there are no double height jetties for example.

Upper deck jetbridges are more of a luxury than a necessity. Boarding/disembarkation is faster with two main deck bridges than one main and one upper. What really hurts turnaround is if there are no upper deck capable catering trucks, which means having to use the onboard elevators.
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RE: Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:42 am

Finally, a high density A380. Well, not even that high, but something other than the premium airline 450-500 seats average we've seen so far.

I'm anxious to follow the A380's career at Transaero.
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:44 am

I am surprised that there is even a market for an a380 in Russia.
With the population so sparse and distances so large it just doesn't make sense.

Transaero has progressed well especially when they are head to head with Aeroflot.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:50 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 8):
I can forsee long turnaround times to get 650+ pax and baggage off if there are no double height jetties for example.

People first thought the same about the 525 pax A380s but many have a turnaround of 2 hours (some even less), which is the same as many other wide-body jets.
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting aeroflop (Reply 19):
With the population so sparse and distances so large it just doesn't make sense.

143 million people in Russia is "sparse"? 15 cities with over 1 million inhabitants with Moscow having 11 million and St Petersburg 5 million.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:30 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 21):
143 million people in Russia is "sparse"? 15 cities with over 1 million inhabitants with Moscow having 11 million and St Petersburg 5 million.

  

If Russia being sparse is a reason there is no market for the A380 there, Qantas should completely forget about flying A380s and EK should also stop flying them Down Under and NZ.
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:35 pm

Quoting aeroflop (Reply 19):
With the population so sparse and distances so large it just doesn't make sense.

Western Russia is NOT sparsely populated! Eastern Russia, now that's another matter.

Not to mention that the Russians middle class is expanding and are great travelers.

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Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:27 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 23):

Well said. Plus, it seems to me that country with much of the population concentrated in a few large cities should naturally develop the type of high-density trunk routes that can support A380 service.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:15 pm

i think it was originally certified for 850 seats so 650 is doable but would the seat pitch be less in economy compared to other airlines?
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:51 pm

Quoting jetsetter1969 (Reply 25):
i think it was originally certified for 850 seats so 650 is doable but would the seat pitch be less in economy compared to other airlines?

For the record, the 850 certification was done with 10-across main, 8-across upper, and 30" seat pitch

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Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:58 am

Thanks astuteman for these inputs...
Looks like also that so WC and galley's where missing to free as much room as possible
Limit is 538 PAX on main deck (54 rows at least) and 315 PAX upper deck (more than 40 rows...)

Full "real life" 10 abreast eco lower deck advertised in june is 426PAX (new 558 PAX LOPA) and 461 PAX if going 11 abreast...
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:31 am

Quoting aeroflop (Reply 19):
I am surprised that there is even a market for an a380 in Russia.
With the population so sparse and distances so large it just doesn't make sense.

Russia is one of the FEW countries which is highly suitable for domestic A380 flights. just think of flights from Moscow to Petropavlovsk, Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, Sakhalin island where aviation is the only reasonable way to get from Moscow and there is just a little time window for departures and arrivals at a reasonable time.
A330 or even occasionally B777 mostly serve these routes right now and with the increase of the population income it naturally leads to 380      
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
But since the Indian government has banned the A380 from serving India those plans seem to have been put on hold.

I did not know that!...WHY? they dont like the A380, or the kingfisher ordeal made the India authorities Jelly?

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Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:11 pm

Will the A380 be able to hold baggage's for all these passengers. I have read that that the A380 is particularly not good for cargo space, does this mean that they should be aright to load 650+ hold baggage, but the issue is mainly to do with the sizes of the cargo containers?
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:01 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 29):
I did not know that!...WHY? they dont like the A380, or the kingfisher ordeal made the India authorities Jelly?

India is afraid the A380 will kill their local carriers.
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:46 pm

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 27):
Thanks astuteman for these inputs...
Looks like also that so WC and galley's where missing to free as much room as possible
Limit is 538 PAX on main deck (54 rows at least) and 315 PAX upper deck (more than 40 rows...)

According to the write-ups, the galley and toilet spaces were taken up with shacks which housed things like the observers and their kit.
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting newbief1yer (Reply 30):
Will the A380 be able to hold baggage's for all these passengers. I have read that that the A380 is particularly not good for cargo space, does this mean that they should be aright to load 650+ hold baggage, but the issue is mainly to do with the sizes of the cargo containers?

The issue is the total volume of the underfloor cargo space, not the size per se of the containers. The problem the A380 has vs 77W or even 747-8 is that there is not much space left over for cargo beyond the baggage and with the number of pax they are talking about here the only cargo space will likely be the bulk compartment!
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:13 am

There was a thread a few weeks ago concerning underbelly capacity. Assuming 50 bags(25 pax) per LD3 container then 650 pax will need 26 LD3s and there is space for 36 in a A380 with no lower crew rest areas and 30 with lower crew rest areas.
 
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RE: Transaero A380: GP7200 Engine And 650 Seats

Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:43 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Transaero now selected to Engine Alliance GP7200 to power its A380s.



Seriously, I am impressed with how well RR has done acquiring new customers.


Lightsaber

I'm also a little confused about this ... isn't EA GE/P&W sans Rolls? Or are you talking about other orders that haven't gone to EA?
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:26 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 35):
Or are you talking about other orders that haven't gone to EA?

The later. RR did very well with small A380 engines orders until recently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A380_orders_and_deliveries

Look at that list at EA has the majority. Initially, RR was doing very well with the small orders. Only recently with QR, EY, and now Transaero, has EA been wining small A380 engine orders.

Its almost as if since Skymark EA 'turned on' their sales campaigns. At the time the Skymark order was won by RR, the discussion was on why EA couldn't win small engine orders. So EA apparently became more aggressive. They won QR and EY in short order. Now Transaero is another win for EA.

Right now, only Hong Kong Airlines has an outstanding engine order. But there is a whole political mess behind that order.

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Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:40 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
the planned passenger capacity of the aircraft will be 640-650 seats, including 12 seats in first-class and 24 in business class

Interesting to have a relatively large F class and such a small C class. Most established A380 operators (e.g. LH/AF/SQ) only have 8 F seats, and then a large C cabin (maybe in the region of 1:10). Transaero is 1:2.
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