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Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:26 am

With the initial markets set to kick off in the next week (one week exactly!) what are the future plans for AAs new jet? The initial markets are CLT, CLE, ICT, MEM, ELP and next LAX, EGE and BOG.... IIRC it is a fairly aggressive delivery schedule. I dont rememeber any specific announcements about next up markets to get this aircaircrafs.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:48 pm

There are quite a few loaded in Sabre for Janurary. CRP HSV BJX-Leon, Mexico, and plenty more. SAL was scheduled for a A319, but is now planned with a 738 from DFW. DFW-JAC EGE GUC are all A319s this winter, except maybe on the weekends they may use 757s.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:28 pm

I know AA used to operate ORD-PVD on the MD-80, but then cut the route a few years ago. I think the A319 would be the perfect aircraft for that type of route. And there have to be several other markets where the MD-80 has just the right number of seats, but is too fuel inefficient to make the route work.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:11 pm

Quoting airplanedaj (Reply 2):
I know AA used to operate ORD-PVD on the MD-80, but then cut the route a few years ago. I think the A319 would be the perfect aircraft for that type of route. And there have to be several other markets where the MD-80 has just the right number of seats, but is too fuel inefficient to make the route work.

If AA returns to PVD, more than likely it will be an Eagle flight. E145 or E175 to ORD.
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Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:19 pm

DFW-BJX from Jan-Mar 2014 was announced recently on both daily routes with A319
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:38 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 4):
DFW-BJX from Jan-Mar 2014 was announced recently on both daily routes with A319

Interesting that they chose to up gauge equipment rather than increase frequency on the RJ. IMO, I think it's a good philosophy. RJs should be used for markets that can't support mainline.

Why CVG is all RJ still blows my mind.
 
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Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:43 pm

DFW-YYZ is due to start mid-Oct 3x daily replacing 3x daily 738.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:03 pm

I'm sure once more 319s come into the fleet you'll see them fly out
of MIA.
 
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Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:41 pm

Its a perfect plane for DFW-YEG.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:16 pm

Quoting HNL (Reply 3):
If AA returns to PVD, more than likely it will be an Eagle flight. E145 or E175 to ORD.

I think it will be either a E175 or an A319. Its a little too far IMO, and a little to big for an E145. IIRC, the flights had decent load factors, maybe 80% of an MD80
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting mia305 (Reply 7):
I'm sure once more 319s come into the fleet you'll see them fly out
of MIA.

Well.... maybe not. AA had gone ahead and banned the MD80 from MIA, and the A319 is kind of the MD80 replacement.

But then again, if AA will fly the A321 down here to MIA, then I guess the argument goes against keeping the A319 out of MIA. Will be interesting to see.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:33 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 10):
Well.... maybe not. AA had gone ahead and banned the MD80 from MIA, and the A319 is kind of the MD80 replacement.

But then again, if AA will fly the A321 down here to MIA, then I guess the argument goes against keeping the A319 out of MIA. Will be interesting to see.

Though wasn't the MD-80 banned from MIA due to noise? The a319s could help that problem and start to show up at MIA on selected markets. I'm not saying right away, but down the road a bit.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 11):
Though wasn't the MD-80 banned from MIA due to noise?

No, it was to cut costs by not having to stock MD-80 spares at a hub. The MD-80 still makes extremely rare appearances at MIA due to equipment subsitutions, but I don't think one has been through here in at least six months, and they'll only get rarer as the MD-80 retirements accelerate.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:24 am

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 4):

They can have all of our Mexico routes scar as I'm concerned! In all seriousness though I just did a BJX overnight last week and we were packed both ways. LOTS of business travelers on that route going to the auto plants.
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:31 am

In the comparison arena several carriers already fly the A319 to ANC F9 flies the airframe from DEN to ANC so this leads you to believe any mountain or west coast gateway is doable.

I once read STL-ANC is about the furthest using the A319 without any mods. The newer NEO engines may expand things in the future.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:46 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 12):
they'll only get rarer as the MD-80 retirements accelerate.

They'll get rarer everywhere but DFW.

In the New York City area:

JFK has not seen any AA MD-80 for a while.

LGA-DFW is now all 738.
LGA-STL will soon be all Eagle.
LGA-ORD is still mostly MD-80 but sees from time to time a 738, and I won't be surprised if in a year from now it sees more 738s and fewer 80s.

EWR-ORD is already all Eagle.
Only EWR-DFW is still all MD-80 (6x daily).

I don't talk about LGA-MIA which is all 738 because the MIA hub hasn't seen an MD-80 since the late 90s except the very few unscheduled equipment swaps.

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 11):
Though wasn't the MD-80 banned from MIA due to noise?

If it was for that reason then the 727 also would have been banned from MIA. The 727 was even nosier than the MD-80 was. No it was, like OB1504 mentions, to cut costs by reducing the number of types at the MIA hub.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:14 am

I'd love to see DFW-PNS and maybe 1x daily on DFW-CID
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:27 am

I could see CMH/IND/BDL-LAX being flown with a combination of 738/A319s.
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:47 am

I see STL-LAX as a possible A319 route once the MD-80 is pulled out. I know there will be Airbus pilots based in LAX.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:50 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 12):

No, it was to cut costs by not having to stock MD-80 spares at a hub.
Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
No it was, like OB1504 mentions, to cut costs by reducing the number of types at the MIA hub.

Interesting......didn't know that. I guess ya learn something new every day! 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:56 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):

For some reason, I think AA would want to equip it's hub with the most amount of long distance flights with the most fuel efficient planes first...and that would be LAX. Long distance flights prove to be much more profitable on newer more fuel efficient models. LAX has very few MD80 routes left, one specifically being STL. LAX-STL is probably one of the longest MD80 flights currently being flown. I'm not sure of the premium draw the route has with elites (8 vs 16 First seats), but anytime I'm on the flight it's a full MD80. I'm sure it would be much more profitable on a 319.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 11):
Though wasn't the MD-80 banned from MIA due to noise?
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 12):
No, it was to cut costs by not having to stock MD-80 spares at a hub. The MD-80 still makes extremely rare appearances at MIA due to equipment subsitutions, but I don't think one has been through here in at least six months, and they'll only get rarer as the MD-80 retirements accelerate.

I think AA pulled MD-80s out of MIA the same time that AA pulled 738s out of ORD, some time in 2005 IIRC.

You would think that as the MD-80 fleet gets smaller, you will start seeing A319s in ORD. You can't replace all of the MD-80 flying with 738s, and it would make sense to fly A319s as MD-80 replacements during slower periods to leisure destinations, like MCO, TPA, and PHX.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:51 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
MIA hub hasn't seen an MD-80 since the late 90s except the very few unscheduled equipment swaps.

I flew DFW-MIA in Dec 2002 on a S80. It was a regularly scheduled flight then.
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):
I see STL-LAX as a possible A319 route once the MD-80 is pulled out. I know there will be Airbus pilots based in LAX.

This is another route perfect for a variation of the A319, and 738. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a E75 mixed in there as well.
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:52 pm

I just found out that I am on one next week ICT-DFW I don't fly AA so I am looking forward to it.
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:21 pm

I'm ready for EWR-DFW to become 738 or 319. Sick of the S80 6x a day.
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:27 pm

I think GPT-DFW would be a good addition.
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Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:00 pm

DFW-FAT would be a logical market
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:10 pm

Maybe bring back mainline to ROC. We used to have Mad Dogs to ORD . Mainline has been gone 10+ years . I think AA is at a disadvantage here only offering E145's to ORD. They could also bring back ROC-DFW which Eagle dropped years ago (was with a CR7).
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:00 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):
the MIA hub hasn't seen an MD-80 since the late 90s except the very few unscheduled equipment swaps.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 25):
I'm ready for EWR-DFW to become 738 or 319. Sick of the S80 6x a day.

But from a spotter's perspective, I would have the completely opposite opinion.  
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:53 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 21):
You would think that as the MD-80 fleet gets smaller, you will start seeing A319s in ORD. You can't replace all of the MD-80 flying with 738s, and it would make sense to fly A319s as MD-80 replacements during slower periods to leisure destinations, like MCO, TPA, and PHX.

I have a feeling that ORD-LGA will be all 738 later this decade, 2016 or so. I think however that ORD-DFW will still be all MD-80 for a while, at least for another three years.
ORD-DCA and ORD-PSP might see the A319.
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Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:42 pm

Perhaps AA will resume an old route and send the A319 to BUR...
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Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:54 pm

I thought that the A319 was, for the most part, going to stay away from ORD and instead be a DFW based aircraft, as many of the 50 seat Eagle markets (that used to have mainline) out of ORD would be better served with the E75...in fact I thought that was the primary reason that AA partnered with RW to operate those E75s out of ORD to markets that need F cabins.
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Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:33 pm

what are the chances of CMH,DAY,CVG,CLE getting the A319s,Why is CVG all AE and no mainline.CVG-DFW is all American Eagle,and for Delta it all Delta Connection
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:15 pm

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 32):
I thought that the A319 was, for the most part, going to stay away from ORD and instead be a DFW based aircraft

For quite some time its going to be that way. Just like the larger RJ's are not going to see DFW for some time. LAX, JFK, and MIA are going to see the 319 long before ORD.

However, the 319 is going to be all DFW for a while.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:03 pm

Well I didn't see this posted, but LAX-EGE is going 319 this winter:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/09/10/aa-laxege-dec13/
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:57 am

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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 30):

I have a feeling that ORD-LGA will be all 738 later this decade, 2016 or so. I think however that ORD-DFW will still be all MD-80 for a while, at least for another three years.

Currently, ORD-LGA has 17 roundtrips, with 1 738. So, you may be right about a 3-year timeline for going to all 738. I think the amount of time that ORD-DFW remains all MD-80 may be a function of oil prices. If oil prices run up and stay up, AA may speed up retirement of the MD-80s and switch over to 738s more quickly.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 32):
I thought that the A319 was, for the most part, going to stay away from ORD and instead be a DFW based aircraft, as many of the 50 seat Eagle markets (that used to have mainline) out of ORD would be better served with the E75...in fact I thought that was the primary reason that AA partnered with RW to operate those E75s out of ORD to markets that need F cabins.

You're right to some extent, but with 171 MD-80s to retire, I can't see AA replacing every last MD-80 flight at ORD with a 738. Some of the 757 flying around the system will be replaced with 738s, along with the A321s.

By the same token, a lot of Embrear/CRJ routes out of ORD were once served by the likes of MD-80s, F100s, and 722s only 5 to 15 years ago. AA made a decision a while back to focus east-west flying thorugh DFW, while ORD was a connecting hub for traffic in and out fo the Midwest, as well as O&D Chicago. This was in part, because of the delays at ORD, and the FAA-imposed caps.

The cap is gone. The third east-west runway opened in 2008. The fourth east-west runway opens next month. Yet, AA's operational model for ORD hasn't changed much.

In getting union support for the merger, Doug Parker noted that he believed that AA has neglected ORD and has let UA and WN (at MDW) take advantage and increased the amount of traffic they handle. Parker believes that AA needs to bulk up its presence at ORD. I would think that would involve an increase in flights, and upgauging aircraft, as needed. That is premised on the merger going through.

But even if the merger doesn't go through, I still think the new leadership of AA (I don't think Horton would stick around with the union animosity) would see the need to increase flying in and out of ORD.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:32 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 37):
Currently, ORD-LGA has 17 roundtrips, with 1 738.

Yes, I flew on an ex-TWA MD-80 from ORD to LGA a week ago. I could tell it was a former TWA MD-80 because the walls inside the cabin weren't those of nAAtive AA MD-80s.
When you look on aa.com at the schedules for five or six months from now, it shows 15 roundtrips a day, including 11 738s and only 4 MD-80s. That's why I say ORD-LGA will be all 738. It has been for the last 20 years almost all MD-80. I remember when it was all 727 back in the late 80s, both AA and UA. I believe that until the MD-80 showed up on that route in the early 90s, it has always been all 727 since 1964 when jets were allowed by the FAA to fly out of LGA.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 37):
AA may speed up retirement of the MD-80s and switch over to 738s more quickly.

I hope not.
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Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:44 am

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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:03 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 21):
AA pulled 738s out of ORD

No it did not, AA is almost all 737's at ORD except for TATL and TAPL obviously.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 37):
Doug Parker noted that he believed that AA has neglected ORD and has let UA and WN (at MDW) take advantage and increased the amount of traffic they handle. Parker believes that AA needs to bulk up its presence at ORD. I would think that would involve an increase in flights, and upgauging aircraft, as needed. That is premised on the merger going through.

would love to see this. AA does quite well at ORD, serving most of its markets from ORD As well as ORD being their main international gateway, along with LAX and JFK. (USA 3 biggest cities right there). I do see ORD-LGA going 737 or A320 in the next couple of years, this route is one of the most flown in the country and a cash cow for AA. Does anyone know if AA still does once daily ORD-JFK? I remember when I flew LY a couple of years ago that was my flight.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:05 pm

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 40):
Does anyone know if AA still does once daily ORD-JFK? I remember when I flew LY a couple of years ago that was my flight.

Yes, it's still once daily, with a B738.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 37):
Doug Parker noted that he believed that AA has neglected ORD and has let UA and WN (at MDW) take advantage and increased the amount of traffic they handle. Parker believes that AA needs to bulk up its presence at ORD.

The story of AA at ORD over the last ten years has been nothing been downgauges and service reductions. I recently bought a 2001 American timetable at an aviation collectibles show and I almost wanted to cry reading through the listings for ORD. Even as recently as 2008 we had mainline service to places like EWR, ATL, DEN, SLC, ABQ and IAH - all Eagle markets today. But the industry dynamics have changed drastically since then, and it's important to remember that over at Terminal 1, there's more United Express than ever before, flying to more cities than ever before, too. Despite AA's admittedly weaker position in Chicago, they've held on to a pretty impressive network that's competitive with United. It's come at the expense of aircraft gauge, just as it has at United.

The E175s are a huge step in the right direction to right-sizing aircraft gauge at ORD. The gap between the MD80 and the CR7 was just far too vast for many of the routes that were turned over to Eagle. Finally, AA has a plane with a mainline level of comfort but a competitive level of capacity for the Chicago market. I'm hopeful we'll see more B738/A319 mainline additions as well, but in the meantime the E175 is a nice consolation prize.

As for the A319s, I expect to see more DFW and MIA additions and very few, if any of them, at ORD.
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:49 pm

This was announced in the original A319 market announcement, but not here: MFE (McAllen, TX) gets one MD80 flight replaced by an A319 starting October 14th. It will now be 1x daily A319 and 4x daily MD80. By January, it looks like 2 flights per day will be A319, so I would imagine that sometime next year it will be all A319.

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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 42):

I was gonna say the same thing. I can't wait to see the new AA 319s start regular service at MFE. Although I am still gonna cherish those MD80s while they are still around.

This will be the first time that MFE will have regular Airbus service. I know a while back, UA was sending their A319s down here but, it didn't last long.
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:24 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
what are the future plans for AAs new jet?

Sounds like they'll pretty much all be in and out of DFW for now (meanwhile, ORD gets all the shiny new Eagle E-175s). However, as time goes on, they could very well take over thinner mainline routes throughout the system, pioneer brand new routes a la DFW-BOG, and perhaps even directly restore mainline service (so far, only the MD-80s freed up by A319s have been doing so).

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
The initial markets are CLT, CLE, ICT, MEM, ELP

Pretty much the smallest mainline markets out of DFW. Along these lines, I'd expect to see stuff like BHM, COS, CRP, DAY, DSM, FAT, HSV, IAD, LIT, MFE, MKE, OKC, OMA, ORF, RIC, RNO, SLC, TUL, XNA, YUL, YYC, etc. go to the A319 in due course. Also some of the very high frequency routes like AUS, LAX, ORD, SAT, etc. could see A319s at off-peak times, and highly seasonal mainline markets like PSP and RSW could get the type out of season.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
EGE and BOG

Looks like the A319 will be the 757 successor for those operationally challenging markets - TGU immediately springs to mind. Anyone know if the A319 can do MIA-LPB nonstop? Or how about an EYW-DFW/ORD nonstop?

In terms of the ski markets, the A319 is probably a much better fit than the 757. Even at peak holiday periods, I can't remember flying in or out of EGE on an AA 757 that was full.

DFW-BOG is interesting not just because BOG is a hot and high market, but because they could have certainly been flying it with a 738 or 757. Clearly, the A319 was the only way they thought they could make the route work. Makes me wonder if the A319 could lead to AA's return to routes like DFW-BFL/BOI/BUF/BUR/OAK/SBA, where a lack of suitable aircraft seemed to be more of an issue than market demand. The A319 might also be the perfect tool for the secondary routes between DFW and Central America or the Caribbean, or even pioneering brand new markets like BIL, YEG, etc. from DFW. All in all, this could be a big game changer for AA!
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:24 pm

Quoting mia305 (Reply 7):
I'm sure once more 319s come into the fleet you'll see them fly out
of MIA.


One route that I can see going A319 is MIA-TGU-MIA once the 757's are gone. Maybe a frequency increase to 2X daily?
 
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RE: Future AA A319 Markets?

Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting Surfandsnow (Reply 44):
I'd expect to see stuff like BHM, COS, CRP, DAY, DSM, FAT, HSV, IAD, LIT, MFE, MKE, OKC, OMA, ORF, RIC, RNO, SLC, TUL, XNA, YUL, YYC, etc. go to the A319 in due course.

I think OKC and TUL will be some of the last MD-80 routes due to the maintenance done at both stations.

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 45):
One route that I can see going A319 is MIA-TGU-MIA once the 757's are gone. Maybe a frequency increase to 2X daily?

I think the TGU route will definitely see an upguage in frequency once the 757s are gone.
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