First Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Flight (Sept 17, 2013)

ua767400 · Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:36 am

According to Reuters, two sources have told them that Boeing is targeting the middle or the end of next week for the maiden flight of the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner.

"(Reuters) - Boeing plans to make the first flight of the 787-9 next week, a stretch version of its high-tech Dreamliner, according to two people familiar with the plans.
The flight, a key milestone in development of a sought-after longer version of the fuel-efficient aircraft, is tentatively planned for the middle or end of next week, although it could be delayed by technical factors and weather, the sources said.

The 787-9 is 20 feet longer than the 787-8 model currently in production, and will seat up to 40 more passengers, for a total of 290, making it more economical to operate. It has about 300 nautical miles in additional range.

A flight next week will put Boeing on the early side of its schedule for the plane, which Boeing said would make its first flight in the second half of 2013. The first delivery is due in mid-2014.

A flight next week also could put the 787-9 in the air before the first flight of the Bombardier (BBDb.TO) CSeries, which was due to make its maiden voyage last year but has suffered a series of delays. That flight is now expected this month.

In June, Boeing launched the 787-10, which will add another 18 feet to the 787-9's length, but will have a shorter range than either of the earlier jets.

The 787-9 carries a list price of $243.6 million, compared with $206.8 million for the 787-8. Boeing hasn't disclosed a price for the 787-10.

(Reporting by Alwyn Scott and Tim Hepher; Editing by Maureen Bavdek and Phil Berlowitz)"

KarelXWB · Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:44 am

Quoting UA767400 (Thread starter):
Boeing hasn't disclosed a price for the 787-10.

Come on Reuters, a little bit research would have helped ... http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/

NAV20 · Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:18 am

They evidently didn't check the calendar either?

Last I heard, we're bang in the middle of the 'second half of 2013'?

"A flight next week will put Boeing on the early side of its schedule for the plane, which Boeing said would make its first flight in the second half of 2013.

Nevertheless, UA767400, thanks for the 'heads up'! Always great to see another 'first flight' - and Boeing do at least seem finally to be back on the (much revised) schedule for B787 design/construction.

speedbored · Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:47 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 2):
They evidently didn't check the calendar either?

I think they did, actually.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 2):
Last I heard, we're bang in the middle of the 'second half of 2013'?

"Bang in the middle" is 30th Sept / 1st Oct.

We're still just over two weeks away from that so, for the next two weeks, we are still "on the early side" (i.e. the first half) of Boeing's 6 month target period for first flight. After 1st Oct, using the Reuters terminology, we'd be "on the late side".

817Dreamliiner · Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:29 am

Im kinda surprised no one else noticed this thread:

787-9 First Flight Sept17 (by clickhappy Sep 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)

KPDX · Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:08 pm

Any news? Is the flight still on for tomorrow?

KarelXWB · Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:11 pm

Yes, a live stream will be available at http://www.newairplane.com/787/787-9/

KPDX · Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:25 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
Yes, a live stream will be available at http://www.newairplane.com/787/787-9/

Awesome. Thanks, Karel.

Is there a time set, yet?

KarelXWB · Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 7):
Is there a time set, yet?

Not yet, but I understood Boeing will provide more details this afternoon.

LH707330 · Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:04 pm

Everything I've heard support tomorrow as first flight, anybody know why the other thread was deleted?

KPDX · Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:23 pm

I've read that it will depart around 10 AM from PAE, and arrive at BFI between 1:00 PM and 3:00 PM.

tortugamon · Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:07 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 10):

Can you share the source if its public? I can't find anything. Less than 24 hours to go with very few details is pretty lame.

tortugamon

tkukucka · Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:39 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 10):

I herd the same thing also plus I got a email from Boeing!

romeobravo · Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:41 pm

Whilst we're here. Anyone know the OEW of the -9 vs the -8.

Or the -10 for a bonus point!

Sooner787 · Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:42 pm

What's the forecast for KPAE tomorrow?

It was nasty weather during the Seahawks game last night

KPDX · Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:45 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 11):
Can you share the source if its public? I can't find anything. Less than 24 hours to go with very few details is pretty lame.

Friend of mine on FB.... Hopefully turns out to be true.

tortugamon · Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:15 pm

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 13):
Whilst we're here. Anyone know the OEW of the -9 vs the -8.
Or the -10 for a bonus point!

About 123t and 128t respectively.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 15):
Friend of mine on FB.... Hopefully turns out to be true.

Hopefully indeed. I am personally disappointed with the quality and quantity of Boeing's public messages on the 787-9 tests in general. The other OEM's are clearly better in this regard in my humble opinion.

tortugamon

KPDX · Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:29 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
The other OEM's are clearly better in this regard in my humble opinion.

No kidding. In the social media game, I feel like Boeing needs to catch up a lot.

blrsea · Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:52 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 11):
Can you share the source if its public? I can't find anything. Less than 24 hours to go with very few details is pretty lame.

Boeing: 787-9 could fly as early as Tuesday

Excerpts from the link above ...

Quote:
...
Boeing plans to webcast the event.

Spokeswoman Kate Bergman emailed journalists: "We have successfully completed a number of key lead-up milestones in recent weeks. We're on track for first flight in the coming days, as early as Tuesday, Sept. 17.

"Be advised that, as flight testing is dynamic by its very nature, the schedule for first flight is always subject to change due to weather conditions and other factors."
...

Stitch · Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 14):
What's the forecast for KPAE tomorrow?

It was nasty weather during the Seahawks game last night

That was one hell of a storm, wasn't it? Closest hit for me was 0.1 miles (I'm in Bellevue).

Anyway, generally looks to be overcast so I expect ceilings will be sufficient for flight.

phxa340 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
I am personally disappointed with the quality and quantity of Boeing's public messages on the 787-9 tests in general

I read an article saying Boeing wanted to keep the first flight of the 9 very low key due to the screw ups of the 8. So maybe all is quiet on purpose ?

tkukucka · Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:44 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 20):

Right on the dot,

propilot83 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:02 am

Check out this nice video from the Boeing Company.

http://www.boeing.com/stories/videos/vid_22_787-9.html

Viscount724 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 20):
I read an article saying Boeing wanted to keep the first flight of the 9 very low key due to the screw ups of the 8. So maybe all is quiet on purpose ?

That's also why the rollout was very low-key on a Saturday in August when nobody was paying attention.

Devilfish · Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:05 am

Another source.....

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_09_16_2013_p0-616755.xml

.....so perhaps not that low-key after all?

flood · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:27 am

Boeing via twitter:

- 787-9 first flight set for Tuesday, Sept 17 at 10am Pacific-- subject to weather & other factors. #Boeing #Dreamliner
- Watch live webcast of 787-9 first flight Tues morning. Starts 20 minutes before takeoff: http://bit.ly/1bnNYbe

7BOEING7 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:01 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 16):
Hopefully indeed. I am personally disappointed with the quality and quantity of Boeing's public messages on the 787-9 tests in general.

It's not in Boeing's PR department job description to keep A.netters informed of every little thing and besides if they did we'd have nothing to talk about. When the first flight date and time was set (after taxi tests today) they let everybody know.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 20):
I read an article saying Boeing wanted to keep the first flight of the 9 very low key due to the screw ups of the 8. So maybe all is quiet on purpose ?

Wherever that came from it probably wasn't a quote from the Boeing Company. Past rollouts and first flights of other derivatives were also fairly low key in most cases.

frigatebird · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:57 am

I haven't seen any photos or videos of the taxi tests. Have I missed something in another thread perhaps?

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:10 am

ZB001 did a taxi test.

787-9 Taxi Test by The Boeing Company, on Flickr

frigatebird · Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:27 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):

I knew I could rely on you

Thanks Karel!

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:38 am

Here's another one:

Boeing 787-9 by Images In Light, on Flickr

And here's a video:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/-jplphoto/9779559671/

tortugamon · Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:02 am

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 26):
It's not in Boeing's PR department job description to keep A.netters informed of every little thing

Of course that isn't their jobs to inform the general public of every detail. However, it is their jobs to keep media and shareholders adequately informed of developments that could impact shareholder value and certainly this qualifies. I wish they would release more information than they do but it is certainly their right not to do any such thing even if I am a shareholder.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 26):
When the first flight date and time was set (after taxi tests today) they let everybody know.

Yes, they did. Via twitter. No press release, no Randy's Journal, just a one sentence tweet issues less than 13 hours before planned takeoff. Its very interesting how low-key they are trying to keep the 787 program right now. Not sure I blame them.

And if I was a test pilot in this program, the last thing I would want is marketing guys in my face asking me when first flight is.

tortugamon

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:18 pm

ZB001 is being prepared.

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/379970538300403713/photo/1

mham001 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:31 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 31):
it is their jobs to keep media and shareholders adequately informed of developments that could impact shareholder value and certainly this qualifies.

Nonsense. The exact time of first flight of a derivative will have no impact on shareholder value.

edit: I noticed Bombardier gave only 2 days notice for C-Series first flight. Over a weekend. Where's the outrage?

[Edited 2013-09-17 07:33:25]

tortugamon · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:00 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 33):
The exact time of first flight of a derivative will have no impact on shareholder value.

My comment was about the lack of information about the entire program where information about the first flight is just one important milestone. Look at the quality of information available about the A350 testing to give you an idea of what information sharing is possible. Obviously Boeing does not have an interest in sharing that level of information.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 33):
Where's the outrage?

I was not outraged; my word selection was 'disappointed'.

Big day today! I am excited.

tortugamon

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:05 pm

ZB001 flight plan has been filed.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130917/1700Z/KPAE/KMWH

Stitch · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 33):
Nonsense. The exact time of first flight of a derivative will have no impact on shareholder value.

I'd argue that point. The 787-9 is likely to be the highest-selling member of the 787 family and a "low drama" flight test and certification process would likely boost the stock price, whereas a troubled one would depress it.

flightsimer · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:40 pm

The live feed should be coming in any moment now. Every now and then I keep getting a live picture, but then it goes back to the info screen. It's still a few minutes early though.

Edit: Never mind, For some reason was thinking Mountain time, not pacific time. We still have 55min to go, but I am still getting love feeds every now and then.

[Edited 2013-09-17 08:47:55]

KPDX · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:46 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 37):
The live feed should be coming in any moment now. Every now and then I keep getting a live picture, but then it goes back to the info screen. It's still a few minutes early though

?

It says it will start at 9:40 AM PST which is a little under an hour from now.

flightsimer · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 38):

Ya I realized that and edited it to correct myself probably the same time you were typing your message...

It's been a long morning lol...

oly720man · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:55 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 37):
but I am still getting love feeds every now and then

Sure you're watching the right channel?

flightsimer · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:00 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 40):

LMAO!

Dam iPad autocorrect!

holzmann · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:03 pm

What is the ETA on the 787-10 rollout?

Will B doing anything to differentiate the -10 besides making yet another stretch? And as such will it become the "764" of the 78X lineup?

rj777 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:10 pm

I think we can drop the ? from the thread title and add the word "thread"..... just a suggestion.

Stitch · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 42):
What is the ETA on the 787-10 rollout?

First deliveries are scheduled for 2018, so 2017-2018 should be the rollout.

Quoting holzmann (Reply 42):
Will B doing anything to differentiate the -10 besides making yet another stretch?

Doesn't sound like it.

Quoting holzmann (Reply 42):
And as such will it become the "764" of the 78X lineup?

It launched with 102 commitments from five airlines, of which 50 are currently firmed (30 for SQ and 20 for UA) so it's already a bigger success than the 767-400ER and it's future looks to be a very bright one.

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:48 pm

Quoting holzmann (Reply 42):
What is the ETA on the 787-10 rollout?

2017 I believe.

rj777 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:50 pm

All I'm seeing on the Boeing Webcast is the Blue Screen. And 10 minutes to go until takeoff!

mptpa · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:53 pm

same blue screen here too.

Mexicana757 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:54 pm

Quoting rj777 (Reply 46):
All I'm seeing on the Boeing Webcast is the Blue Screen. And 10 minutes to go until takeoff!

Blue screen for me too.

rj777 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:56 pm

Wonder if there's a delay going on.

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