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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:03 pm

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 49):
great! don't ever do it near xmas!

Because of the long lines on both sides of the border you mean? Been told to avoid the week before Easter also.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:40 pm

I've done San Salvador - Guatemala on a car and let me tell you getting into Guatemala city could take as long as the drive from San Salvador.
LCC Shuttle prop-service between MSSS and GUA could work.. if timed according to demand.
GUA-SYQ or MSSS-SYQ those would be different routes.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:16 am

Rumors in MAO, CM is cancelling some flights due to low demand, US dollars is hurting int'l travel in Brazil right now. I remember almost 1 year ago CM was even sending a 737 to MAO. interesting times.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:29 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 52):
Rumors in MAO, CM is cancelling some flights due to low demand, US dollars is hurting int'l travel in Brazil right now. I remember almost 1 year ago CM was even sending a 737 to MAO. interesting times.

I don't think CM will drop MAO, however, I can foresee CM downgrading MAO to thrice weekly E190 until early December.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:33 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 41):
There are several deserving South American and Caribbean destinations with very poor non-US or non-regional connectivity which CM should venture

Well, Iquitos could be categorized within this assertion.
However, CM PTY-IQT 2x weekly looks like very different compared to the new CM PTY-BOS 7x weekly.




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Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 43):
I was thinking more on the lines of GUA-SAL and the like

Guatemala and San Salvador are the closest regional capitals, in terms of hours driving.
Having said that, I don't believe in this model for [Tegucigalpa-San Salvador], [Managua-San Jose], [Tegucigalpa-Managua] or so.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 44):
Telenoticias today reports the best location for a proposed new airport serving the northern plains area of the country (proyecto de Ley 17937, para la construcción de un Aeropuerto Internacional en la Región de San Carlos y Zona Norte
Quoting viaggiare (Reply 48):
More like giant sinkholes.. the 10–foot diameter culverts installed some twenty–five years ago under that highway on which 50K+ cars and trucks pass daily collapsed when choked by a mix of garbage and rushing rainwater runoff.

The same local entity who stated the replacement of SJO close to Orotina more than 20 years ago as well as a new international airport placed in Sierpe and basically oriented to the leisure traffic.
Sorry, I'm still skeptical about the new press release posted at Telenoticias.




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Quoting andrefranca (Reply 52):
Rumors in MAO, CM is cancelling some flights due to low demand

Notice the E90 operating this route lately.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:16 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 50):
Because of the long lines on both sides of the border you mean? Been told to avoid the week before Easter also

Exactly! About 4 hours just standing in line!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:04 pm

Routes is going on in Las Vegas these days.
Don't have the link but seems that LAS is using this event to try to woo new (or return) service to LAS.
Not mentioned in the article: AV from SAL and/or BOG.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 56):
Routes is going on in Las Vegas these days.
Don't have the link but seems that LAS is using this event to try to woo new (or return) service to LAS.
Not mentioned in the article: AV from SAL and/or BOG.

Starts tomorrow (sat). I'm heading on out today. Routes Americas is in SAL in Feb.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 56):
Don't have the link but seems that LAS is using this event to try to woo new (or return) service to LAS.

Here is the link http://www.routesonline.com/events/160/world-routes-2013/ and yes, LAS is going all out.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:15 pm

FYI, La Costeña will soon start flying MGA-TGU-MGA on Caravans. Nobody else flies that route. Some years ago La Costeña flew that route too, also Atlantic Airlines, both axed due to poor loads. We'll see how this new adventure goes. Still no info about schedules and fares.
Pretty excited to start a new route, hope to fly some of you in the future
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:01 pm

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 58):
Some years ago La Costeña flew that route too, also Atlantic Airlines, both axed due to poor loads.

Maybe with Caravans and a reasonable fare the route will be successful this time around? I guess the route is not as popular as it once was (remember Sahsa with the daily 737 or 727-100 on the way to SJO?). About 10 years I was on a Sol Air MIA-MGA-TGU flight. The plane practically emptied at MGA and I can't remember anyone boarding to TGU, on the way back, we had like 3 persons deplane at MGA. I hope Costeña is successful, it's always good to see new routes in Central America. Didn't Atlantic use F-227's on the route (or am I confused with something else)?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:57 pm

Quoting skybird77 (Reply 59):
Didn't Atlantic use F-227's on the route (or am I confused with something else)?

No, Atlantic flew Let 410 here
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:37 am

Quoting skybird77 (Reply 59):
Sahsa with the daily 737 or 727-100 on the way to SJO?).

The 727-200 crashed in 1989 into a hill during the final approach at TGU was scheduled as SJO-MGA-TGU.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:36 am

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 60):
No, Atlantic flew Let 410 here

But did Atlantic operate any FH-227's or is my mind playing tricks on me? I could have sworn seeing one at TGU a few years back (and no, I'm not thinking of Lansa back in the late 70's early 80's).

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 61):
The 727-200 crashed in 1989 into a hill during the final approach at TGU was scheduled as SJO-MGA-TGU.

Yes, that was a leased 727 from Continental painted in the Tan Airlines livery operating as a Sahsa flight. An acquaintance of mine was killed on that flight. A few months later, a Tan L-188 freighter would also crash (killing all on board) in the same area (Las Mesitas).
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:28 am

Did not see if someone mentioned it.

Copa orders Split Scimitar Winglets, up to 100 systems.

Link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/copa-a...ders-split-scimitar-100000049.html
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:49 pm

La Nación reports 30% of U.S. tourists and 49% of Canadians that flew in to Costa Rica during the first six months of 2013 chose LIR as their point of entry.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:21 am

http://www.prensa.com/uhora/locales/...iones-aeropuerto-tocumen/215715?en
Heavy rains close PTY this morning.
From www.prensa.com - in English
Airport only closed 1h10m this morning and CM still having a tough day today @ PTY.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:11 am

anyone else think VX might try its hand at some SFO/LAX - Central America routes......SFO-SJO would be just doable with a 319
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:01 am

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...a/tocumen-adjudica-contrato/215524

Odebrecht received 15% from PTY related to the new terminal construction.

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...a/planes-no-varian-rio-hato/215534

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 65):
Heavy rains close PTY this morning.

I live near PTY , this morning rain was really realy heavy, started around 6:25 am and just got really bad around 7:30 am

  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:50 am

I don't think so. That's just waaay off their current strategy. Mexico would come first.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 68):
I don't think so. That's just waaay off their current strategy. Mexico would come first

Lets see if I am mentally channeling their route planning dept!   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:30 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 66):
anyone else think VX might try its hand at some SFO/LAX - Central America routes......SFO-SJO would be just doable with a 319
Quoting avi8 (Reply 68):
I don't think so. That's just waaay off their current strategy. Mexico would come first.

I have to agree. They have other issues they need to contend with right now. It would be nice to see them in Central American skies someday. With such a large population of Salvadoreños in the Bay Area, I would think they might do SFO-SAL before SFO-SJO (either way, I don't see expansion into Central America any time soon).
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:57 pm

Quoting skybird77 (Reply 70):
It would be nice to see them in Central American skies someday.

IMHO, the odds are better than we all think. THey have to grow somewhere....and Mexico is not that attractive right now
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:34 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 71):
IMHO, the odds are better than we all think. THey have to grow somewhere....and Mexico is not that attractive right now

If they were to come, I would assume that they would go SJO and LIR. I'm still waiting for B6 and AC to come to GUA.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:37 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 66):
anyone else think VX might try its hand at some SFO/LAX - Central America routes......SFO-SJO would be just doable with a 319

Speaking about a new US airline, we haven't heard any word related to the possible services of Alaska Airlines in Central America again.
They had opened an office to represent them in San Jose.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:20 pm

CM flights grounded due to tech issue From www.prensa.com in English
Today CM Network Centre suffered a technical mishap. According to CM with that tech-issue the airline couldn't properly handle arrivals and departure.
According to La Prensa website, there are scheduled morning flights which hasn't taken off yet.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:40 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 74):
According to CM with that tech-issue the airline couldn't properly handle arrivals and departure

Among the many stranded travelers this evening, Costa Rican president Laura Chinchilla (who flies commercial for lack of a presidential aircraft) on her way back from a summit. According to La Nación, she tweeted her discontent and sarcasm..

"Atrapados desde hace 5 horas en Aeropuerto Tocumen Panamá, sin que compañía aérea Copa de explicaciones. ¡Qué relajo!"

"Me han sugerido: 1. tomar Ticabus, 2. buscar lancha y tirarnos al mar, el Canal nos permite escoger Atlántico o Pacífico, 3. esperar aún más"
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:00 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 73):
Speaking about a new US airline, we haven't heard any word related to the possible services of Alaska Airlines in Central America again.

IMHO it is only a matter of time. They are probably watching the success of new DL routes such as LAX-LIR before making decision. IF DL can make it work, then they surely can with their much better feed.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:20 pm

PTY CM check-in counters this morning from Twitter @CriticaPa
Haven't heard if National Police is inside the terminal. But it's an awful situation over-there with all the delayed passengers, cancelled and delayed flights.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:05 pm

My guess is that AS's first routes will be LAX-GUA/SAL, as they are the Central American cities with the highest O/D to LAX. SEA-Central America is highly unlikely. Maybe Virgin America could try LAX-Central America too, although they might try to build their SFO hub more.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:10 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 76):
They are probably watching the success of new DL routes such as LAX-LIR before making decision. IF DL can make it work, then they surely can with their much better feed.

You have a good point here. The coming services of DL out of Los Angeles are likely hurting any incursion of AS in Central America.




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A nice view departing in the afternoon from SAP; formerly known as "La Mesa International Airport":



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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:57 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 79):
A nice view departing in the afternoon from SAP; formerly known as "La Mesa International Airport":

Thank you for the post! I love seeing photos of my homeland! For ATC clearances out of TGU, they still call it "La Mesa"
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:24 am

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 80):
For ATC clearances out of TGU, they still call it "La Mesa"

Something like: "El Coco" for Juan Santamaría International Airport [SJO].

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:12 pm

Reported in the Mexican press that 9N will announce BZE-MID service this Nov for March start. That will have them serving FRS, SAP, RTB, CUN, GUA (with TAG codeshare) and MID from BZE.

Sounds like it is time for bigger aircraft.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:08 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 82):
Sounds like it is time for bigger aircraft.

Sounds like it's time for BZE-GCM, BZE-HAV and BZE-SAL   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:40 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 82):
Reported in the Mexican press that 9N will announce BZE-MID service this Nov for March start

How's the current dimension of the O&D market, in order to justify this intended route?
Is the [BZE-MID] sector different compared to the [BZE-CUN] route?

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:07 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 84):

Actually BZE MID has more O&D than BZE CUN. CUN is strictly price sensitive traffic trying to connect to an LCC or wanting to avoid the USA. Mid has medical, industrial, educational and ethnic ties to BZE and is less price sensitive. Not to mention it is a bigger city than CUN and attracts a high end tourism demographic that is compatible with BZE's market positioning..

Should be slam dunk for 9N, especially since it will presumably have feed from FRS, SAP and RTB too.

Don't forget too that CO used to serve IAH MID BZE with full traffic rights many years ago

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:58 pm

I wonder if we will see Volaris or Vivaerobus start flights to Central America soon. I'm also hoping for a Jetblue expansion in the area too.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:11 pm

Runway numerations in La Aurora will change

Runway 01 will change to runway 02 and runway 19 will change to runway 20

Fotografos de Aviacion de Guatemala. Spotter.
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Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:14 am

• Costa Rica's Prosecutor's Office and agents from the Judicial Investigation Police raided DGAC headquarters in San José yesterday, as part of an ongoing investigation as to whether contractors were allowed to collect full payment for incomplete work at LIR.

Fiscalía allana Aviación Civil por supuesta malversación en aeropuerto de Liberia


• Start-up carrier Ticos Air is reportedly hiring 120 employees, who will join 22 current workers in launching the airline's operations early next year.

New Costa Rican airline, Ticos Air, now hiring


• Townspeople in Waspam (an area located on Nicaragua’s Caribbean coast right on the border with Honduras, and gateway for many indigenous tribes including miskito communities) protesting the high cost of electricity, refuse to allow La Costeña C208 YN–CHX to take off from the WSP airfield.

Pobladores de Waspam retienen avioneta en protesta por altos costos de electricidad
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:53 pm

"Air Chavez" - Any one?

Replacing one "monopoly" with another entity that does not follow free market rules either is not the solution.

"Vuelos Económicos Centroamericanos, S.A. (VECA), la línea aérea del consorcio Alba y que se presenta como de "bajo costo" con sede en El Salvador, anunció ayer que firmó un acuerdo de arrendamiento con International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC), para dos aviones última generación Airbus A319-100."

http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=47861&idArt=8271138
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 89):
Replacing one "monopoly" with another entity that does not follow free market rules either is not the solution

It's a start.. things are changing quickly ever since the Kriete empire imploded.. market dynamics will dictate how things evolve.. in the meantime, sit back and enjoy watching your country's oligarchy throw a fit.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:46 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 89):

Not a "latino chavez pro social" bull%%$ myself, but hope it works, don't want to pay 360 USD on a SJO-PTY flight anymore.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:23 am

from La Prensa in Panama: TP will start flights to PTY in 2014 second half !!!  Wow!http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...-acerca-al-viejo-continente/217711

I didn't see this one coming since everybody has been talking about LH..

great to see new players in the región   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:32 am

Wow TP in PTY. What kinda buisness justification is there for LIS PTY?
Somebody is going to take a bath. Either TP or the Panamanian taxpayer
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:57 am

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 92):

The article reveals actual figures negotiated by Panamá with European carriers in terms of revenue guarantees..

AF: US$4.5M
IB: US$4M
KL: US$4M
TP: tba
LH: US$10M
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:04 am

So does this mean BA can't be bought? Lol   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:10 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 93):
Wow TP in PTY. What kinda buisness justification is there for LIS PTY?
Somebody is going to take a bath. Either TP or the Panamanian taxpayer

If TP is smart, they'd launch PTY as a tag-on from CCS or if there's some kind of demand for a Europe-MAR flight, then as a LIS (FNC) - MAR - PTY.
Either with 5th liberty traffic rights between Venezuela and PTY.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:54 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 96):
If TP is smart, they'd launch PTY as a tag-on from CCS or if there's some kind of demand for a Europe-MAR flight, then as a LIS (FNC) - MAR - PTY.
Either with 5th liberty traffic rights between Venezuela and PTY.

that's a clever idea since there is a strong demand between Venezuela and Panama. I understand Venezuela -Portugal is pretty well covered .

now, as TP is Star Alliance not sure there is a business case for LH in PTY, conceptually TP should be able to address the via LIS to Europe and other Star Alliance, of course LIS is not FRA...   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:43 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 94):
The article reveals actual figures negotiated by Panamá with European carriers in terms of revenue guarantees..

AF: US$4.5M
IB: US$4M
KL: US$4M
TP: tba
LH: US$10M

I understand that LH wants US$10m, and not that such a figure is a thus a negotiating starting point rather than an agreement. Indeed, I don't see how LH would get more than double what AF is getting!

From the article, I gather that KLM want to add a daily flight. I wonder if they mean the KL/AF group through AF aiming to extend their service to daily or KLM actually going for their own second daily.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 96):
If TP is smart, they'd launch PTY as a tag-on from CCS

If any tags happen, then it might be with BOG. Perhaps a triangular route? TAP has been rumoured to be intending to launch BOG with 4 weekly frequencies - same number given for PTY.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55

Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:39 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 90):
market dynamics will dictate how things evolve

Market Dynamics? my *ss.. Alba has an unlimited funds from the Venezuelan Government. How is that market dynamics?
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Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos