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GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:38 pm

Welcome Guys,

For the 47th thread, we will highlight the recent expansion plans for Fly Jamaica Airways..




Fly Jamaica Airways began with a dream to create a truly regional airline, using local talent and with an emphasis on providing a truly local experience to its customers. An full-service, local airline that would bring the Diaspora, and the world, home to the Caribbean.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/1013111_409885195795603_685702991_n_zpsfacf87b8.jpg

The company has won over the Jamaican Diaspora on their current single route, JFK-KIN..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/1098333_440221069428682_603200977_n_zps7bffdd33.jpg

FlyJam, recently announced an expanded schedule that will include services linking, GEO with KIN,YYZ and JFK..

A single B757 will operate the following;

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/Fly_Jamaica_Timetable_September_08_November_2_2013_zps145a7dee.jpg

Future plans include the acquisition of a B767 for the upcoming winter season..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/74724_414855288631927_376360884_n_zps6d222117.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/923175_373590086091781_2026858894_n_zps655b154e.jpg


Other aviation related news..


DL to restart ATL-KIN in Dec..

AC Rouge to operate YYZ-MBJ with a B763 for W12

KIN and MBJ will now receive scheduled service to HAV via Aerogaviota..

Jamaica Air Shuttle has suspended services...

F9 to operate a weekly DEN-MBJ service in W13..

DL to operate a weekly IND-MBJ service for W12..

BA to increase LGW-KIN to 4 weekly eff Apr14..

CM to increase PTY-MBJ to 5 weekly and PTY-KIN to 4 weekly for Dec12..

More in old thread..

Canal To Harbour..Jamaican Thread 46 (by hummingbird May 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)#1


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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:53 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
CM to increase PTY-MBJ to 5 weekly and PTY-KIN to 4 weekly for Dec12..

I mentioned on the last thread, great news the island of Jamaica will at least have a daily link to CM PTY hub.
Would it make sense for CM to fly every morning to MBJ and back in the afternoon plus to fly 4-5 evenings per week to KIN and back the next mornings?

[Edited 2013-09-17 17:13:43]
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:00 am

According to their country Manager, Fly Jam will promote affordable fares in the GEO market..Also, their will be Guyanese crew on their flights..


As Fly Jamaica prepares to make its final approach into the Guyana market, the carrier is rolling out fares that it believes will be very competitive for the Georgetown to New York route.

Commercial Manager at Fly Jamaica in Guyana, Junior Horatio on Friday told News Source that “prices on Fly Jamaica are going to be affordable and the Guyanese customers are going to benefit from Fly Jamaica’s pricing.


The airline’s Guyana operations are headquartered at Ogle. Travel agents have already started to reserve and sell tickets for the Georgetown route.

Mr. Horatio explained that the airline is taking the Guyana market very seriously and is currently training several Guyanese who will serve as cabin attendants. Additionally a number of other persons have been hired to serve as reservation agents, and the airline will also launch a 24 hour customer service call centre. 1013111_409885195795603_685702991_n

http://newssourcegy.com/news/fly-jam...ca-offering-us289-one-way-ny-fare/

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Air Turks and Caicos has once again, applied to JCAA to operate domestic flights in Jamaica..


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B6 will increase JFK-MBJ for peak W12..They will now operate 17 weekly flights..The new flights will operate Fri,Mon and Wed..
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):

I mentioned on the last thread, great news [i]the island of Jamaica[i] will at least have a daily link to CM PTY hub.
Would it make sense for CM to fly every morning to MBJ and back in the afternoon plus to fly 4-5 evenings per week to KIN and back the next mornings?

I believe more services will be added..Daily flights should operate into MBJ by 2015..
I doubt KIN can support a daily service..
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:00 am

Good to see thread 47 up and running......OJ has a very unusual call sign but I like it.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 239):
I'm not a Caribbean-U.S. demographic guru but from what I've seen on these forums seems the majority of South Florida Guyanese are in Broward county not in Dade.
However, it's more likely that if there was a MIA-GEO, those GEO O/D would fly out of MIA.

Who to tell. Maybe one day B6 will announce FLL-GEO & JFK-GEO ( when they acquire more new '' buses '' )

Quoting A388 (Reply 240):
Coming to think of it, there was a thread a few months ago that said that AA was in the process of starting nonstop flights to Paramaribo in Surinam and Georgetown in Guyana. I unfortunately can't find that thread anymore.

I remember that thread. Personally I have been reading/hearing about AA's interest to inaugurate GEO since 1999.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 241):
The NMIA has released its report on the proposed extention of the runway and has being holding public hearing.
The report is available here:
http://www.nmia.aero/pdf/NMIA%20REA%20Addendum%20(May%202013).pdf

The area where the airport is located is from dumped up land and there are photos included of when the airport was first built.




Detailed and interesting report.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
The company has won over the Jamaican Diaspora on their current single route, JFK-KIN..

Judging from the photo of their meal offerings, I can clearly see why. LOL. Now that is what I call real food !!! Can't wait to try out our new carrier.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Future plans include the acquisition of a B767 for the upcoming winter season..

Just in time for the increased demand for seats that is characteristic at that time of the year.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
Also, their will be Guyanese crew on their flights..

Make logical sense to me.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 2):
B6 will increase JFK-MBJ for peak W12..They will now operate 17 weekly flights..The new flights will operate Fri,Mon and Wed..

B6 not playing around in MBJ. They mean business.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:51 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Good to see thread 47 up and running......OJ has a very unusual call sign but I like it.

Agree..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Maybe one day B6 will announce FLL-GEO & JFK-GEO ( when they acquire more new '' buses '' )

They have GEO in their radar..But, a lot has changed since this was mentioned..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Judging from the photo of their meal offerings, I can clearly see why. LOL. Now that is what I call real food !!! Can't wait to try out our new carrier.

Agree

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
Just in time for the increased demand for seats that is characteristic at that time of the year.

Can't wait to see the B763 in their scheme..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 4):
B6 not playing around in MBJ. They mean business.

Pretty impressive, but this was expected..

DOT Stats Feb 2013



BW

FLL-KIN
7546-3996 53%

KIN-FLL
9394-4669 50%

FLL-MBJ
6160-2894 47%

MBJ-FLL
4312-2474 57%

JFK-KIN
7700-5797 75%

KIN-JFK
7700-5872 76%

JFK-MBJ
4774-3173 66%

MBJ-JFK
4774-3161 66%

MCO-KIN
1232-619 50%

KIN-MCO
1232-675 55%

AA

DFW-MBJ
3448-2608 76%

MBJ-DFW
3448-2540 74%

MIA-KIN
12728-9443 74%

KIN-MIA
12578-9399 75%

MIA-MBJ
10486-7531 72%

MBJ-MIA
10668-7565 71%

ORD-MBJ
4181-3409 82%

MBJ-ORD
4032-3413 85%

B6

BOS-MBJ
1050-834 79%

MBJ-BOS
1050-727 72%

FLL-KIN
5600-3737 66%

KIN-FLL
5600-3952 71%

JFK-KIN
4050-3005 74%

KIN-JFK
4050-3294 81%

JFK-MBJ
7650-6178 81%

MBJ-JFK
7650-6265 82%

MCO-MBJ
2800-2127 76%

MBJ-MCO
2800-2147 77%

DL

ATL-MBJ
12487-10257 82%

MBJ-ATL
12335-9842 80%

DTW-MBJ
984-883 90%

MBJ-DTW
984-813 83%

JFK-MBJ
4320-3224 75%

MBJ-JFK
4320-3243 75%

MSP-MBJ
960-869 91%

MBJ-MSP
960-851 89%

FL

ATL-MBJ
3836-2419 63%

MBJ-ATL
3836-2492 65%

BWI-MBJ
6165-4422 72%

MBJ-BWI
6165-4083 66%

DTW-MBJ
548-518 95%

MBJ-DTW
411-378 92%

MCO-MBJ
3562-1070 30%

MBJ-MCO
3562-825 24%

MKE-MBJ
1644-1325 81%

MBJ-MKE
1644-1313 80%

NK

FLL-MBJ
2933-1750 60%

MBJ-FLL
2933-1855 63%

UA

IAD-MBJ
558-475 85%

MBJ-IAD
564-499 88%

IAH-MBJ
943-640 68%

MBJ-IAH
943-773 82%

ORD-MBJ
564-509 90%

MBJ-ORD
558-518 93%

F9
ORD-MBJ
552-478 87%

MBJ-ORD
552-483 88%

RFD-MBJ
414-285 69%

MBJ-RFD
552-427 77%

STL-MBJ
552-465 84%

MBJ-STL
552-469 85%

SY

MSP-MBJ
1980-1613 81%

MBJ-MSP
1980-1660 84%

US

BOS-MBJ
248-182 73%

MBJ-BOS
248-98 40%

CLT-MBJ
14497-11888 82%

MBJ-CLT
14497-9784 67%

PHL-MBJ
4912-4355 89%

MBJ-PHL
4912-3556 72%
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
Can't wait to see the B763 in their scheme..

Me too (probably be seeing it on internet only) but I hope it will have more colors.

In any case, this thread is a nice dedication to FlyJam. My photo of this airline got accepted now and is in the database:



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I also have a photo of an airline that no longer flies:



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And a First Choice flight in Montego Bay:



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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:47 pm

GUYAIR like you said customers complain and airlines respond. Some made note that FJ fares were not competitive, considering the stop over on the north bound flight to JFK at an inconvenient hour. Apparently they have responded. Indeed I suspect that FJ might be relying heavily on the travel whole salers to fill their planes, so they have more competition once Travelspan resumes around Xmas, which they claim that they will. Into both POS and GEO.

And like you said the GEO USA market is growing (while many others stagnate) due to that gold money which has increased the purchasing power of many Guyanese.

As did BW with nonstops to JFK/YYZ. And they will respond to B6 on the FLL/JFK to POS with lower fares than they have been charging recently. Maybe service upgrades too. Tough for them just when the end of the fuel subsidy and increased B6 competition has made loife quite difficult for them.
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:15 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
They have GEO in their radar..But, a lot has changed since this was mentioned..

Wonder if OJ is considering FLL-GEO in the future as well ? I expect a FLL-KIN announcement sooner than later, after YYZ is established.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
Can't wait to see the B763 in their scheme..
Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
Me too (probably be seeing it on internet only) but I hope it will have more colors.

Looking forward to that addition too, but also hoping to see a revised professionally done livery.   

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 5):
DOT Stats Feb 2013


FL

MCO-MBJ
3562-1070 30%

MBJ-MCO
3562-825 24%

Embarrassing.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):

With B6 looking to expand into the E/Caribbean I suspect that OJ needs to focus on its core routes into. YYZ and JFK North American based Guyanese are more concentrated than Jamaicans are. As is I am not that sure about 2 airlines competing on the YYZ GEO nonstop.
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
In any case, this thread is a nice dedication to FlyJam. My photo of this airline got accepted now and is in the database:

Was your visit to Jamaica, job related?

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
Indeed I suspect that FJ might be relying heavily on the travel whole salers to fill their planes,

Bingo...Cpt Reece's sister owns a major Travel Agency that does high volume travel to Guyana..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
Wonder if OJ is considering FLL-GEO in the future as well ? I expect a FLL-KIN announcement sooner than later, after YYZ is established.

I would love to see the addition of that route..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 8):
Embarrassing.

I agree..Pretty low..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 9):
As is I am not that sure about 2 airlines competing on the YYZ GEO nonstop.

The market can handle 2 carriers..
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:28 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):

Are you sure that YYZ GEO can handle 2 carriers 9 months of the year? We know Xmas/NY and Jul/Aug is OK. But Jan/June, and Sept/Nov. Note that GEO does not have winter traffic the way that even KIN does.
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:58 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
For the 47th thread, we will highlight the recent expansion plans for Fly Jamaica Airways..

Not to nitpick, but that is a pretty crappy photoshop job on the 757 in the ad. Piece of the engine is cut off.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
Indeed I suspect that FJ might be relying heavily on the travel whole salers to fill their planes,

Bingo...Cpt Reece's sister owns a major Travel Agency that does high volume travel to Guyana..

And travel agents demand commissions......contrary to popular belief most larger ones in this region still get 6-10%. That is straight off your bottom line. And well, if its your family.....then you are probably at the top end of that.

10% of your bottom line in an industry with sub 5% margins is huge.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:12 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):
Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
In any case, this thread is a nice dedication to FlyJam. My photo of this airline got accepted now and is in the database:


Was your visit to Jamaica, job related?

Yes sir, it was job related. Below is another photo:



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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:55 am

More FlyJamaica News..

FLL and a city in Northern Brazil is on their radar..I heard, they plan to acquire up to 5 narrow body aircraft next year..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/734055_444338299016959_2016718655_n_zpsb6365ee0.jpg

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Reece said that Fly Jamaica owns its own aircraft – a Boeing 757. “And we are in the process of buying a Boeing 767,” she continued, noting that it would take three months from the time of acquisition of the aircraft to the time it is allowed into service.

She noted that the airline has an arrangement with an aircraft leasing company which would allow for a plane to be supplied should anything go wrong with the aircraft owned by Fly Jamaica. “We will be doing long-haul flights of three hours and above and we hope to have partnerships with other air carriers for short haul flights,” she said. “We want to form an alliance with all the other airlines in the region because we feel that there is enough business in this part of the world for everybody,” she said.

Reece said that while there are no plans to go to Heathrow or Gatwick, there are plans to add Fort Lauderdale and northern Brazil as destinations. She said persons could call the company’s call centres which would be open on a 24-hour basis.

Asked how it is that the airline will make itself competitive, Reece said Fly Jamaica is trying to offer a lot more than a normal, traditional legacy airline will offer. “For example we are going to be doing a lot of events between here and Jamaica. We are planning gospel concerts and [other events]. We have a gospel concert in Jamaica in October and we will be inviting everybody in Guyana, Toronto and New York to come. It is going to be huge,” Reece said.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/new...light-from-jfk-to-guyana-thursday/

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The FJ experience

In the meantime, the executives were enthusiastic about what they say is the Fly Jamaica experience; selling tourism in a family atmosphere. Board member and FJ partner Christine Steele said that some 25 flight attendants have been in training for more than a week now and are being groomed for excellent customer care.

She said that passengers can expect a family atmosphere with the attendants being of various ethnic backgrounds and bringing their own uniqueness. Steele said, “We are trying to let everyone who comes on board feel like family. Each day we speak about how important our customers are. The difference with FJ is that we are going to be customer friendly, very customer friendly.”

Customers can be guaranteed a whole new flying experience with the features added to the FJ package. Reece explained that passengers can shop on board the flight and not the ordinary stuff, but jewelry, phones, SIM cards, phone cards and other such items.

She said arts and craft of Jamaica and Guyana will be promoted, along with the countries’ various cuisines. Passengers might even be graced by the famous chefs who are likely to be featured in the airlines cooking magazine.

Fly Jamaica will also have constant promotions where persons win free trips, inclusive of accommodations. They can win free concert trips, while the company says it will be promoting shows with big name artistes in the ports that they travel. Additionally couples can get affordable marriage packages once they fly with FJ.

Reece said they are working with hotels about ‘resort weddings’ so that a couple can get discounts once they fly with the airline. Tours are also a part of the deal. The company is to offer sports tours, cooking tours etc.

It is hoped that Guyana and Jamaica can trade their tourism, Reece said. She stated that the Jamaican people are excited to be sharing their airline with Guyana in that while the Jamaicans can enjoy Guyana’s lush green rainforest, Guyanese can enjoy their sun-kissed sparkly blue water beaches.

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...-flights-after-60-90-day-deadline/

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She added that the airline is in the process of buying a 767 craft which will definitely help its present 757 plane.

On the issue of drug trafficking through the Cheddi Jagan International Airport (CJIA), the Fly Jamaica executive called for a more robust system and better paid persons to avoid being lured by quick cash. She said the airline would like to see a secure system that is more efficient and more reliable, but it is all based on the salaries people are paid and the level of people being employed.

She said it is unfortunate that Guyana has so many issues with drug smuggling, but assured that Fly Jamaica would be making efforts to ensure that drugs are not placed on its flights, though admittedly, “it’s going to be a very difficult job to keep on top of.”

Fly Jamaica has so far employed 40 Guyanese, including two pilots. The airline plans to buy an additional aircraft to serve more long-haul routes like Fort Lauderdale and Brazil next year, and partner with smaller carriers like LIAT.

The airline plans to have handicraft, cookbooks, telephones, SIM cards, Top-up sold aboard its aircraft.

Fly Jamaica Airways began with a dream to create a truly regional airline using local talent, and with an emphasis on providing a truly local experience to its customers. The dream is for a full-service local airline that would bring the Diaspora and the world home to the Caribbean.

guyanachronicleonline.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64230:fly-jamaica-gets-creative-to-sell-destination-guyana--sets-inaugural-flight-for-thursday

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Looking for future travel dates, FJ is far cheaper than BW into GEO..I can see why they plan to acquire the B763 for expansion..
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:28 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
More FlyJamaica News..

FLL and a city in Northern Brazil is on their radar..I heard, they plan to acquire up to 5 narrow body aircraft next year..
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
Reece said that Fly Jamaica owns its own aircraft – a Boeing 757. “And we are in the process of buying a Boeing 767,” she continued, noting that it would take three months from the time of acquisition of the aircraft to the time it is allowed into service.

All exciting news and I wish them all the best. You don't see it often these days that an airline buys its aircraft. I assume there current 757 isn't owned by them as it is registered in the U.S. (meaning a U.S. based company). Unless Fly Jamaica is registered in the U.S.(?)


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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:07 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
More FlyJamaica News..

FLL and a city in Northern Brazil is on their radar..I heard, they plan to acquire up to 5 narrow body aircraft next year..

I am assuming the plan is for GEO - Nothern Brazil.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
Looking for future travel dates, FJ is far cheaper than BW into GEO..I can see why they plan to acquire the B763 for expansion..

Passengers will welcome the competitive fares and added options......and the REAL food on board as well.  
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:00 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 14):
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
Passengers will welcome the competitive fares and added options......and the REAL food on board as well.  

Fly- Jamaica is offering 575CAD inclusive of taxes on there YYZ - GEO. A comparison shopping with CAL shows that they are offering 778.66 CAD on the same route. These are fares for January to Summer of 2014.
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting jm079 (Reply 17):
Fly- Jamaica is offering 575CAD inclusive of taxes on there YYZ - GEO. A comparison shopping with CAL shows that they are offering 778.66 CAD on the same route. These are fares for January to Summer of 2014.

Myself took note of that as well. Not bad at all. Decent savings for passengers there. Understand TravelSpan should also be on the route for the busy travel season too.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:33 pm

FlyJam kicks off it's inaugural KIN-GEO-KIN-JFK services on Thursday...The inbound JFK from KIN will return nonstop to GEO then final leg to KIN..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/null_zps4cdc1776.jpg

Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
All exciting news and I wish them all the best. You don't see it often these days that an airline buys its aircraft. I assume there current 757 isn't owned by them as it is registered in the U.S. (meaning a U.S. based company). Unless Fly Jamaica is registered in the U.S.(?)

The current B757 is registered in US for taxation purposes..
On the issue of buying, I assume the B767 will be leased..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):

I am assuming the plan is for GEO - Nothern Brazil.

Correct..I also heard, they will operate regional flights from GEO...

The B737s should arrive in 2014 and should allow flights to FLL and regional flights from KIN..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 16):
Passengers will welcome the competitive fares and added options......and the REAL food on board as well.  

In addition to traditional Guyanese hospitality..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 17):
Fly- Jamaica is offering 575CAD inclusive of taxes on there YYZ - GEO. A comparison shopping with CAL shows that they are offering 778.66 CAD on the same route. These are fares for January to Summer of 2014.

This upcoming winter will be interesting for all carriers serving GEO..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 18):

Myself took note of that as well. Not bad at all. Decent savings for passengers there. Understand TravelSpan should also be on the route for the busy travel season too.

I heard they will serve POS and GEO from JFK..
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:27 pm

This was a post from the old thread..

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 166):
Congrats to Bolt and Fraser-Pryce on regaining their global sprint titles..The Jamaican athletes are promoting our brand in Moscow...I would not be surprised to see a Transaero B744 in MBJ for the winter..

Eff Nov 1, Transaero will deploy it's B744 from Moscow to MBJ..The service will operate from Moscow Vnukovo Airport every 10-12 days..

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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:41 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
All exciting news and I wish them all the best. You don't see it often these days that an airline buys its aircraft. I assume there current 757 isn't owned by them as it is registered in the U.S. (meaning a U.S. based company). Unless Fly Jamaica is registered in the U.S.(?)


The current B757 is registered in US for taxation purposes..
On the issue of buying, I assume the B767 will be leased..

Okay thanks but is that 757 owned by Fly Jamaica or a U.S. leasing firm? In any case, nice to see them going for the 767 as well. I hope it will have a bit more color, Jamaican style.

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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:17 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):
The B737s should arrive in 2014 and should allow flights to FLL and regional flights from KIN..

Wonder which variant of the B737 they will acquire.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 20):
Eff Nov 1, Transaero will deploy it's B744 from Moscow to MBJ..The service will operate from Moscow Vnukovo Airport every 10-12 days..

UN589 VKO0750 %u2013 1200MBJ 744
UN590 MBJ1415 %u2013 1115 1VKO 744

Great to see UN plans to deploy their B744 to MBJ. As was previously predicted, the buzz created by the athletes is proving beneficial for that service. So we will now have two operators of B744 flights into MBJ come winter.

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
I hope it will have a bit more color, Jamaican style.

Really hope so too.


A bit more on the new GEO service...........................


'' Fly Jamaica Airways will begin non-stop services from Kingston to Georgetown, Guyana, today, and non-stop service from New York to Georgetown on September 27. In June, the Guyana government announced that it had granted the Jamaica-based airline the green light to operate two routes out of the Cheddi Jagan International Airport. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130926/news/news1.html


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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:11 am

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 18):
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 19):

I look forward to there YYZ service as its a great way to get to GEO. Its not just the Guyanese community that is excited as well but others now have a different option of flying to GEO.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):

The report in the current edition of the Jamaica Observer talked about the expansion of the runway at MBJ
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...-US-40-m-runway-extension_15121651

With the expansion planned it will facilitates long haul flights.
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:13 am

The resurfacing of the runway at MBJ was recently completed. They are now making plans for a USD 40 million dollar extension to just under 10,000 ft......................


'' Most commercial aircraft can rotate at Sangster, she reasoned. However aircraft heavy on fuel returning to Russia are constrained by the runway length and may opt to reduce the plane's load factor by imposing passenger or luggage requirements.
Later she clarified in a message - " You can actually say if you wish that some aircraft, like the A330-300 and A340 operated by airlines like Aeroflot could not likely operate from here with the existing runway length to that distance "


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...-US-40-m-runway-extension_15121651


They have been mentioning this for awhile now. Hopefully it will finally get off the ground.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:21 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 24):

I also see where MBJ Airport is improving also the fire hall as in the summer they issued an invitation to tender
http://www.mbjairport.com/content/40...-%20Fire%20Hall%20Construction.pdf

I attended a briefing from Porter Airlines this week and it was about there plans for expansion and they intend to expand there network across Canada, which will be great as the competition is really needed as air fare is so expensive here relative to what the carriers in the USA offers- lack of competition here. Porter reveals that NAS will be there first new route to an international destination.

https://www.porterplans.com/New-Routes

Service will commence in the first half of 2014.

However, I post this here as Porter is the ideal carrier to fly YTZ - Boscobel - OCJ. The JTB needs to work with them as they already have a vacation division offering air and hotel on there exsisting network ( http://www.porterescapes.com/ ).

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):

There seems to be an issue about security and other matters at GEO as the airport management has issued a rebuttal to a criticism leveled at the airport by one of Fly Jamaica executive .
http://www.guyanachronicleonline.com...mp;catid=4:top-story&Itemid=8.

I am looking forward in visiting in the spring of 2014 as now that FJ flies there and offers a good fare. The city, its seems has some awesome architectural buildings and its biggest selling points- a great destination for eco-tourism. I also see that the airport at GEO is now under redevelopment ( http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/da...C_FINAL_CONTRACT_CJIA_Guyana.pdf).

The arrival of FJ on thursday from KIN seems to have gone ok. The GOG wants to work with JTB to promote tourism to his country.
http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...sm-gap-between-guyana-and-jamaica/
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:13 pm

Quoting jm079 (Reply 23):
I look forward to there YYZ service as its a great way to get to GEO. Its not just the Guyanese community that is excited as well but others now have a different option of flying to GEO.
Quoting jm079 (Reply 25):
I am looking forward in visiting in the spring of 2014 as now that FJ flies there and offers a good fare. The city, its seems has some awesome architectural buildings and its biggest selling points- a great destination for eco-tourism. I also see that the airport at GEO is now under redevelopment

Myself is looking forward to travel with them in the near future as well. I took note of some of the comments in the last article where at least one person is happy with no longer having to change planes in POS to get to KIN from GEO.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 25):
However, I post this here as Porter is the ideal carrier to fly YTZ - Boscobel - OCJ. The JTB needs to work with them as they already have a vacation division offering air and hotel on there exsisting network ( http://www.porterescapes.com/ ).

Lets see if this will eventually materialize. Would be a great addition for all concerned.


A number of local artistes have been named brand ambassadors for Fly Jamaica. Again many of them highlighted the convenience of not having to make stops to get to GEO from KIN now for their tours, as previously it would take up to 7 hours to get there...........................


'' Fly Jamaica officially unveiled its four brand ambassadors in a ceremony for the airline's inaugural flight from Jamaica to Guyana. The function took place at the Cheddi Jagan International Airport in Guyana.

All four ambassadors - Agent Sasco, Wayne Marshall, Tifa and Denyque, were on-board the flight. They also delivered impromptu performances at the ceremony. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20131001/ent/ent2.html


OJ seem to be creating quite a buzz.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
Okay thanks but is that 757 owned by Fly Jamaica or a U.S. leasing firm? In any case, nice to see them going for the 767 as well. I hope it will have a bit more color, Jamaican style.

A388

AFAIK, its owned by a US Leasing Company..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):
Wonder which variant of the B737 they will acquire.

I assume it will be B737 classics due to cheap leasing costs...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):
Great to see UN plans to deploy their B744 to MBJ. As was previously predicted, the buzz created by the athletes is proving beneficial for that service. So we will now have two operators of B744 flights into MBJ come winter.

I agree..MBJ will be a spotters paradise in winter..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 22):
Fly Jamaica spreading their '' wings ''. Up next.......YYZ !!!

Exciting days ahead..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 23):
The report in the current edition of the Jamaica Observer talked about the expansion of the runway at MBJ
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...-US-40-m-runway-extension_15121651

With the expansion planned it will facilitates long haul flights.
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 24):
Later she clarified in a message - " You can actually say if you wish that some aircraft, like the A330-300 and A340 operated by airlines like Aeroflot could not likely operate from here with the existing runway length to that distance "


Based on what was reported, it looks like Aeroflot was looking at deploying their A330s to MBJ, but was hindered by Runway restrictions..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 25):
Porter reveals that NAS will be there first new route to an international destination.

https://www.porterplans.com/New-Routes

Service will commence in the first half of 2014.

However, I post this here as Porter is the ideal carrier to fly YTZ - Boscobel - OCJ. The JTB needs to work with them as they already have a vacation division offering air and hotel on there exsisting network (

What aircraft will they use to NAS?

Quoting jm079 (Reply 25):
The city, its seems has some awesome architectural buildings and its biggest selling points- a great destination for eco-tourism. I also see that the airport at GEO is now under redevelopment ( http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/da...C_FINAL_CONTRACT_CJIA_Guyana.pdf).

The arrival of FJ on thursday from KIN seems to have gone ok. The GOG wants to work with JTB to promote tourism to his country.
http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...sm-gap-between-guyana-and-jamaica/

This collaboration will produce increased tourist arrivals for Guyana...No doubt, Jamaica who are adventurous will now flock to Guyana and visit places at Katieur Falls..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 26):
Myself is looking forward to travel with them in the near future as well. I took note of some of the comments in the last article where at least one person is happy with no longer having to change planes in POS to get to KIN from GEO.

Also, once the airport expansion starts, FlyJam will benefit from the Chinese and labour traffic between KIN and GEO..
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:44 pm

JetAirFly- Belgium, will be the third carrier to operate the B787 to MBJ for the upcoming winter..

The schedule are as follow:

eff 21DEC13 Brussels – Punta Cana – Montego Bay – Brussels 2 weekly
TB601 BRU0615 – 1120PUJ 787 6
TB303 BRU1125 – 1630PUJ 787 3
TB602 PUJ1250 – 1350MBJ1450 – 0610+1BRU 787 6
TB304 PUJ1800 – 1905MBJ2005 – 1120+1BRU 787 3
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:24 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 27):
I agree..MBJ will be a spotters paradise in winter..

There is a section of '' top road " near the El Greco Hotel that offers a spectacular birds eye view of MBJ from the hill. Always look forward to passing by there and I am never tired of that '' view '' .

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 28):
JetAirFly- Belgium, will be the third carrier to operate the B787 to MBJ for the upcoming winter..

The schedule are as follow:

That is great. Which other two carriers will operate the B787s into MBJ. Thompson and.........( ? )

[Edited 2013-10-02 23:59:14]
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 29):
There is a section of '' top road " near the El Greco Hotel that offers a spectacular birds eye view of MBJ from the hill. Always look forward to passing by there and I am never tired of that '' view '' .

I grew up in Montego Bay, and can say I used it not more than 5 times..While the views are spectacular, most persons flocked to Dead End, due to its convenience and popularity..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 29):
That is great. Which other two carriers will operate the B787s into MBJ. Thompson and.........( ? )

Tui Nordic..They will operate from Stockholm, Sweden
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According to this article, FlyJam had over 150 pax on it's inaugural JFK-GEO flight..

The symbolic Guyana flag - the Golden Arrowhead of achievement was the backdrop for a historic moment, that began with the operations crew of Fly Jamaica Airways, cutting the ribbon to unveil the carrier’s inaugural flight from John F. Kennedy International Airport’s, Terminal 1, on Friday, Sept. 27.

Special guests, passengers and the media witnessed the beginning of this partnership between Jamaica and Guyana to airlift travelers on a non-stop voyage to the South American country, opening up the country’s tourism industry.

The beautiful flight attendants greeted the more that 150 travelers, before a charming voice announced, “welcome to Fly Jamaica - sit back, relax, and let us take care of you.” The 757-200 series aircraft then pushed back from the gate at 12:45, just shy of its 12:15 scheduled departure time.

After a bit of runway traffic to overcome, the flight soared to 5500ft altitude against sunny skies, and above the clouds, for its five and a half hour-flight to Cheddi Jagan International Airport.

http://www.caribbeanlifenews.com/sto.../2013_09_30_tc_flyja.html#feedback


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Here is a look at the aircraft's weekly rotation..

Monday 01:00-03:30 GEO-KIN 05:30-10:15 KIN-JFK 12:05-14:55 JFK-KIN
Tuesday 07:00-12:30 KIN-YYZ 14:30-21:30 YYZ-GEO
Wednesday 08:00-14:30 GEO-YYZ 16:30-20:00 YYZ-KIN
Thursday 05:30-10:15 KIN-JFK 12:05-14:55 JFK-KIN 18:30-23:00 KIN-GEO
Friday 01:00-03:30 GEO-KIN 05:30-10:15 KIN-JFK 12:05-17:35 JFK-GEO 19:05-21:35 GEO-KIN
Saturday
Sunday 05:30-10:15 KIN-JFK 12:05-14:55 JFK-KIN 18:30-23:00 KIN-GEO
Source: Fly Jamaica Airways website for operations in mid-October after launch of Toronto flights
Competition intense from Kingston to North America


Also a break-down of the competition..

Competition on the airline’s network is particularly strong on the airline’s North American routes from Kingston, with one US carrier (JetBlue Airways), two Canadian carriers (Air Canada and WestJet), and another local carrier (Caribbean Airlines) providing stiff opposition. Maybe surprisingly, there is no competition on the 2,370-kilometre sector between Kingston and Georgetown.

Route Fly Jamaica WF Competition (WF)
Kingston (KIN) – New York JFK (JFK) 3-4 Caribbean Airlines (7), JetBlue Airways (7)
Kingston (KIN) – Toronto (YYZ) 1 Air Canada (4), WestJet (4), Caribbean Airlines (3)
Kingston (KIN) – Georgetown (GEO) 2-3 -
Georgetown (GEO) – Toronto (YYZ) 1 -

http://www.anna.aero/2013/10/02/fly-...-launches-intra-caribbean-flights/
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FlyJam denied access to direct JFK flights..

CAL, Fly Jamaica denied permission for direct NY flights
October 2, 2013

Amidst objections from the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and Airlines for America (A4A) the US Department of Transportation (DOT) on Monday denied applications by Caribbean Airlines and Fly Jamaica to have direct flights from Georgetown to New York.

“We deny the request of Fly Jamaica Airways Limited for an exemption under 49 U.S.C. §40109, to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a seventh-freedom turnaround basis, between New York, New York and Georgetown, Guyana;

“We deny the request of Caribbean Airlines Limited for an exemption under 49 U.S.C. §40109, to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a seventh-freedom turnaround basis, between New York, New York and Georgetown, Guyana,” the DOT said in its official ruling.

Both Fly Jamaica and CAL had presented letters with their applications saying that they had been granted flag carrier status by the Guyana Government.

According to the ruling, the DOT said that in considering foreign air carrier requests for extra-bilateral authority it weighs various criteria specific to the type of extra-bilateral request, as well as any other factors that are germane to a particular case.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/new...-permission-for-direct-ny-flights/
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:01 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 30):

There was a bit of fanfare in GEO when the a/c arrived also. The travelling Guyanese public welcomes this much needed competition. I flew out on BW528 Sunday night from GEO-JFK, and as I was walking out to board OJ was taxiing to the apron. I asked the flight attendant to take a pic but she said I couldn't amid security concerns.

Welcome Fly Jamaica to Guyana!

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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:32 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 29):
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 27):
I agree..MBJ will be a spotters paradise in winter..

There is a section of '' top road " near the El Greco Hotel that offers a spectacular birds eye view of MBJ from the hill. Always look forward to passing by there and I am never tired of that '' view '' .
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 30):
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 29):
There is a section of '' top road " near the El Greco Hotel that offers a spectacular birds eye view of MBJ from the hill. Always look forward to passing by there and I am never tired of that '' view '' .

I grew up in Montego Bay, and can say I used it not more than 5 times..While the views are spectacular, most persons flocked to Dead End, due to its convenience and popularity..

So there are two locations to spot aircraft but are both these locations safe to go spotting and take aircraft photos? Is the sun always behind your back at these places, that is very important/crucial for guys like me 

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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 30):
I grew up in Montego Bay, and can say I used it not more than 5 times..While the views are spectacular, most persons flocked to Dead End, due to its convenience and popularity..
Quoting A388 (Reply 32):
So there are two locations to spot aircraft but are both these locations safe to go spotting and take aircraft photos? Is the sun always behind your back at these places, that is very important/crucial for guys like me

The view of MBJ from that particular area of '' top road '' is indeed amazing but it is a somewhat lonely location I think for spotting purposes. Mostly vehicular traffic I observe. The residential areas of Paradise, Mango Walk etc. should also afford some amazing views as well. Dead End is easily much more popular. Never been to that location though and I think access is somewhat more restricted now ( ? ) Not sure about the sun as it pertains to quality photo ops there. Guess it all depends on the time of the day.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 30):
Tui Nordic..They will operate from Stockholm, Sweden

Was trying to recall the carrier as there was an article about the ARN - MBJ B787 flights some months ago. Hope to see some great photos of those metals in the '' Bay " .

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 30):
According to this article, FlyJam had over 150 pax on it's inaugural JFK-GEO flight..

Seem the crew was a mixture of both Jamaican and Guyanese staff. Curious about the meal service on the JFK-GEO sector. Wonder what particular type of Guyanese grub was served, or maybe there was a mixture ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 30):
Here is a look at the aircraft's weekly rotation..

That B752 is really working hard.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 30):
FlyJam denied access to direct JFK flights..

CAL, Fly Jamaica denied permission for direct NY flights

So they seem concerned about the ability for US carriers to effectively compete against likes of BW for example that ( used to ) get a fuel subsidy, yet historically the major US carriers displayed little or no interest in serving GEO.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 31):
There was a bit of fanfare in GEO when the a/c arrived also. The travelling Guyanese public welcomes this much needed competition.

I can just imagine. Looking forward to hear reviews from the Guyanese diaspora about their experiences with them. Despite the rejection by the USDOT to award them nonstop GEO-JFK rights, I still prefer a GEO-KIN-JFK-GEO option than none at all.
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Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:53 am

Not to be negative, but Do you guys even know the PDEW between KIN and GEO?
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:23 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 31):
Welcome Fly Jamaica to Guyana!

This is a welcomed move for both parties..Its also interesting to note the Guyanese will work with JTB and FlyJam to promote Guyana as a tourist destination..

Quoting A388 (Reply 32):
So there are two locations to spot aircraft but are both these locations safe to go spotting and take aircraft photos? Is the sun always behind your back at these places, that is very important/crucial for guys like me

The best area is by Dead End..The sun may be a factor during late afternoon, but after 5pm, it should be fine..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 33):

The view of MBJ from that particular area of '' top road '' is indeed amazing but it is a somewhat lonely location I think for spotting purposes. Mostly vehicular traffic I observe. The residential areas of Paradise, Mango Walk etc. should also afford some amazing views as well. Dead End is easily much more popular. Never been to that location though and I think access is somewhat more restricted now ( ? ) Not sure about the sun as it pertains to quality photo ops there. Guess it all depends on the time of the day.

People often refer to the view from " Top Road" as tower view..The only advantage being it offers a panoramic view of the airport..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 33):
Was trying to recall the carrier as there was an article about the ARN - MBJ B787 flights some months ago. Hope to see some great photos of those metals in the '' Bay "

Am working on getting pics during December..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 33):
Seem the crew was a mixture of both Jamaican and Guyanese staff. Curious about the meal service on the JFK-GEO sector. Wonder what particular type of Guyanese grub was served, or maybe there was a mixture ?

I was told, it will be a Guyanese meal choice on the JFK-GEO legs...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 33):
So they seem concerned about the ability for US carriers to effectively compete against likes of BW for example that ( used to ) get a fuel subsidy, yet historically the major US carriers displayed little or no interest in serving GEO.

The US is concerned about the flow of drugs into JFK from GEO, hence their decision..

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 34):
Not to be negative, but Do you guys even know the PDEW between KIN and GEO?

Scroll down to page 21 for a breakdown..

http://jtbonline.org/statistics/Mont...%202013%20Vol%20xxiii%20No%207.pdf
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:47 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 33):

Maybe if they build up travel between KIN and GEO they can then run a 1X KIN GEO JFK service. This is not prevented by the USDOT.

Its a pity that Delta is such a spolied brat. As is suspected the fuel subsidy had NOTHING to do with their cessation of service between JFK and GEO. Its their childish rage that they would FINALLY have real competition on the nonstop JFK GEO. So even though they have no plans to resume service they still try to block new entrants.

And I find the claim that US passengers will not benefit from more nonstops on the JFK GEO to be laughable. Dont they think that US CITIZENS of Guyanese ancestry will not benefit from more competition, reducing fares and the need to stop over, given TSA requirements that this will entail a security recheck?

BW no longer enjoys a subsidy. So what is all this whining about? Does any one really believe that if AA decided to do a JFK GEO they would not be able to handily take on BW, and maybe drive OJ out of that market?
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:16 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 35):
Scroll down to page 21 for a breakdown..

Interesting document, maybe with promotion GEO and KIN can see more arrivals o/d. Movado will love this flight.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
US CITIZENS of Guyanese ancestry

Oh these aren't "real" us citizens, didn't you get the memo?

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Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:19 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 34):

Minimal, maybe due to the difficulties in travel between the two cities. It can take as long as 10 hours to travel to GEO from KIN, because of the lengthy intransit time at POS. To quote a Jamaican govt official forced to endure this " I might as well have traveled to London". So nonstops will change how this route is seen.

Jamaica is held in high regard in Guyana, so maybe the nonstops might entice more travel there. Though I wonder as to how long Kingston will hold interest, given that the best beaches arent nearby.

I some how doubt that many Jamaicans will visit Guyana as I dont think that there are large numbers of eco/adventure tourists in the Caribbean...at least not enough to sustain a 2X 757 flight. But there are several Jamaicans who consider Guyana to be mysterious and so curiosity might draw them. Plus maybe we might start seeing some Jamaicans looking for gold...given the new reality shows located in Guyana (smile).

But as they say nothing ventured, and once there remains scarce seats on the JFK GEO there will be sufficient intransits to support that route. Especially if they offer REAL FOOD.

So DL can play all the games that they wish but FJ seems to be happily welcomed as an alternative, despite the major road blacks placed in their way. ;
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 35):
People often refer to the view from " Top Road" as tower view..The only advantage being it offers a panoramic view of the airport..

I can just imagine the view during rush hour mid mornings in December/January. Not to mention when the former JM had their hub down there.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
Its a pity that Delta is such a spolied brat. As is suspected the fuel subsidy had NOTHING to do with their cessation of service between JFK and GEO. Its their childish rage that they would FINALLY have real competition on the nonstop JFK GEO

Agree 100%.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
BW no longer enjoys a subsidy. So what is all this whining about?

Myself was wondering same.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 37):
Movado will love this flight.

So will Beenie Man, Tifa, Spice, Assasin and the many others who have frequent shows in that country.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
Plus maybe we might start seeing some Jamaicans looking for gold...given the new reality shows located in Guyana (smile).

Lol.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
But as they say nothing ventured, and once there remains scarce seats on the JFK GEO there will be sufficient intransits to support that route. Especially if they offer REAL FOOD.

And REAL FOOD is what OJ serve on board !! Not mere '' snacks ''

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
So DL can play all the games that they wish but FJ seems to be happily welcomed as an alternative, despite the major road blacks placed in their way. ;

     
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:31 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 39):
And REAL FOOD is what OJ serve on board !! Not mere '' snacks ''

I am sure it will be appreciated. You do not want to know what they served in Business on BW528 GEO-JFK on Sept 29th. In addition, I had to be moved 2 times, first the seat did not recline, then the IFE didn't work (this has been the same ever since they got the a/c). As a matter of fact, for this entire year the same movies are on the IFE on the 763's.

BW are really deteriorating in their quality of service all round.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 39):
So will Beenie Man, Tifa, Spice, Assasin and the many others who have frequent shows in that country.

I was referring to a specific incident, but yeah I've seen a few of these performers myself in Guyana. A recent article in Jamaican newspaper was saying that the OJ flight will help Guyanese promoters of Jamacian performers. That by itself does not make the flight (KIN-GEO) sustainable but hopefully it will add to the mix. I wish them (OJ) the best of luck.

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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:29 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 40):
I am sure it will be appreciated.

Especially for a flight of that duration, it sure will.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 40):
You do not want to know what they served in Business on BW528 GEO-JFK on Sept 29th.

One would at least expect something more substantial in Business on such a route.


Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 40):
In addition, I had to be moved 2 times, first the seat did not recline, then the IFE didn't work (this has been the same ever since they got the a/c). As a matter of fact, for this entire year the same movies are on the IFE on the 763's.

Interesting.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:40 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 40):

Well BW better get their act together, but I doubt that they will. The emperors at Piarco live in their Ivory Towers and are also blind and deaf to what their customers have to say. ANd before some people suggest that this behavior occurred only since Kamla took over responsibility for the airline, I will suggest that this has been true since the days of Ian Bertarnd, for those old enough to know who he is. Certainly from the inception of CAL people have been complaining about their ground service, at both POS and especially at JFK, to no avail.

Rumors are that DL is talking about a possible return to GEO (hence their aggressive attempts to block OJ from nonstops. Dont know where that leaves OJ. TS will have its own customer base.

Also B6 is going into POS from JFK/FLL from next year as you already know.

I suspect that BW will go into the mode that they did under Aleong. Be so concerned about cutting costs that they are blind to the impacts on the customers. As AA learned into the Dom Rep and PR, if the socalled legacy carrier with its higher fares offers service equivalent to the low fare carrier, people will simply shift to the alternative. It is clear that they arent performing on going maintenance of their cabins, as you can probably name which seat has what problem, given that they have only 2 767s, and you use them frequently. You informed the cabin crew, who ought to have informed the ground maintenance, yet nothing.

BWIA/Caribbean Airlines operate on a model based on having a monopoly, and not having to compete. This is why they have lost so much market share into KIN, compared to what JM had, and might soon suffer the same fate into POS/GEO as new competitors arrive.
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:32 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 42):
Rumors are that DL is talking about a possible return to GEO (hence their aggressive attempts to block OJ from nonstops. Dont know where that leaves OJ. TS will have its own customer base.

Knowing how they tend to operate in the region, I wouldn't be surprised if they do decide to restart that route.


Speaking about DL, the JTB recently hosted a reception for them on their pending restart of the ATL-KIN route........


'' Travellers can now book their winter getaway to Kingston, Jamaica via convenient daily flights from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL) to Kingston's Norman Manley International Airport (KIN). The daily flight will depart ATL at 10:05 a.m., with a 1:08 p.m. arrival at KIN. The return flight will depart KIN at 2 p.m., arriving into ATL at 5:17 p.m. Jamaica-inspired hors d'oeuvres and a live reggae band complemented the proceedings. ''


http://www.hospitalityjamaica.com/news6.html


Not sure why they keep referring to this service as a '' new '' route as it has operated before on and off. Let us see how long they will be around this time. Interestingly they are still on the JFK-MBJ route with daily operations if I am not mistaken.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:20 am

FlyJam has delayed their new YYZ service until further notice..

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Condor will add more flights to MBJ for W14..

As per their JCAA filing...Nice to see FRA-MBJ operating as a terminator 3 per week..Also the new service from Munich bodes well for the tourism industry..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/null_zps87b12812.jpg

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 37):
nteresting document, maybe with promotion GEO and KIN can see more arrivals o/d. Movado will love this flight.

The entertainment industry has applauded this new move as now it means, Guyana will be seeing more reggae shows in the future..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
Jamaica is held in high regard in Guyana, so maybe the nonstops might entice more travel there. Though I wonder as to how long Kingston will hold interest, given that the best beaches arent nearby.

Guyana has interests that will attract the adventurous Jamaicans..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
I some how doubt that many Jamaicans will visit Guyana as I dont think that there are large numbers of eco/adventure tourists in the Caribbean...at least not enough to sustain a 2X 757 flight. But there are several Jamaicans who consider Guyana to be mysterious and so curiosity might draw them. Plus maybe we might start seeing some Jamaicans looking for gold...given the new reality shows located in Guyana (smile).

Agree..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
So DL can play all the games that they wish but FJ seems to be happily welcomed as an alternative, despite the major road blacks placed in their way. ;
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 39):
I can just imagine the view during rush hour mid mornings in December/January. Not to mention when the former JM had their hub down there.

Those JM hub days were a spotters delight..My highlight was Saturday afternoon, which saw both A340s parked beside each other..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 42):
Rumors are that DL is talking about a possible return to GEO (hence their aggressive attempts to block OJ from nonstops. Dont know where that leaves OJ. TS will have its own customer base.

I don't think DL has the capacity to regain market share...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 43):
'' Travellers can now book their winter getaway to Kingston, Jamaica via convenient daily flights from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL) to Kingston's Norman Manley International Airport (KIN). The daily flight will depart ATL at 10:05 a.m., with a 1:08 p.m. arrival at KIN. The return flight will depart KIN at 2 p.m., arriving into ATL at 5:17 p.m. Jamaica-inspired hors d'oeuvres and a live reggae band complemented the proceedings. ''

After Jan, flights will operate 5 a week with a night stop in KIN using the A319..
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:05 am

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 44):
FlyJam has delayed their new YYZ service until further notice..

I'm disappointed they didn't start as planned today. Wonder what was the reason for the push back. Anyway hopefully it will be rectified sooner than later.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 44):
Condor will add more flights to MBJ for W14..

As per their JCAA filing...Nice to see FRA-MBJ operating as a terminator 3 per week..Also the new service from Munich bodes well for the tourism industry..

DE will be a regular visitor to MBJ for next year. I notice they will use the B753 as well. Isn't that quite a stretch for that type of metal ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 44):
Those JM hub days were a spotters delight..My highlight was Saturday afternoon, which saw both A340s parked beside each other..

Was always quite a sight to see the mid morning arrivals touching down one after the other. 010 from JFK, 040 from BWI, 044 from PHL, 048 from BOS, 020 from MIA, 054 from IAH, 018 from EWR, 058 from ATL, 050 from ORD, 061 from KIN ( continuing on to HAV ) and 088 from FLL-KIN. And the afternoons were just as busy with most of them doing the north bound around the same time more or less, in addition to the other carriers. Those were the days.
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:50 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 35):
Quoting A388 (Reply 32):
So there are two locations to spot aircraft but are both these locations safe to go spotting and take aircraft photos? Is the sun always behind your back at these places, that is very important/crucial for guys like me


The best area is by Dead End..The sun may be a factor during late afternoon, but after 5pm, it should be fine..
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 39):
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 35):
People often refer to the view from " Top Road" as tower view..The only advantage being it offers a panoramic view of the airport..

I can just imagine the view during rush hour mid mornings in December/January. Not to mention when the former JM had their hub down there.

Thanks for all the tips guys. I will keep them in mind should I go to MBJ on vacation. For spotting purposes the best time to go to MBJ is in December due to increased traffic? What about rain, I assume it also rains more often in December so is it better to go in March/April or has traffic decreased again by that time?


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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:57 pm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 44):

Dont be too sure that DL cannot regain share. Their flights were 90% booked, despite having higher fares than BW. This means that they could have added more flights if they wanted to.

FJ has a rather harsh northnbound journey. So isnt competitive, no matter how good their inflight service might be if DL re-enters. That two hour intransit at KIN at times when only jumbies/duppies roam is hard for families, or older travelers.

Remember that Travelspan is also coming in with 2X 767s and with the ability to fill these planes, given that they dominate the travel wholesaler space in the NYC VFR sector. Many elderly people still use travel agents. Dont see JFK GEO supporting 4 carriers.

What will help FJ is if DL gets too greedy and asks for too much, like revenue guarantees and landing fee waivers. What DL has going for them is the perception that BW has a monopoly into GEO and is abusing it, hence the need for another MAJOR carrier.

But at least we know why DL was so aggressive in blocking JFK GEO JFK service by BW and FJ.
 
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:16 pm

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
I'm disappointed they didn't start as planned today. Wonder what was the reason for the push back. Anyway hopefully it will be rectified sooner than later.

They made a new application to the JCAA for the new schedule..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/null_zpsaad9fbee.jpg

Here is a new report.

Fly Jamaica’s Toronto service pushed back to November
October 9, 2013

Fly Jamaica has pushed back the commencement of its Toronto service owing to non-completion of the certification and paperwork by the Jamaican authorities, reported Commercial Director Roxanne Reece yesterday.

The airline will now commence its Toronto service sometime in mid-November, said Reece. She attributed the postponement to delays in the certification by a number of agencies. The service between Georgetown and Toronto was to have commenced yesterday.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/new...o-service-pushed-back-to-november/

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
DE will be a regular visitor to MBJ for next year. I notice they will use the B753 as well. Isn't that quite a stretch for that type of metal ?

I assume, it will be used on the MUC flights..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):
Was always quite a sight to see the mid morning arrivals touching down one after the other. 010 from JFK, 040 from BWI, 044 from PHL, 048 from BOS, 020 from MIA, 054 from IAH, 018 from EWR, 058 from ATL, 050 from ORD, 061 from KIN ( continuing on to HAV ) and 088 from FLL-KIN. And the afternoons were just as busy with most of them doing the north bound around the same time more or less, in addition to the other carriers. Those were the days.

I clearly remember those days with the mix of A310s, A320 and A321s..

Quoting A388 (Reply 46):
Thanks for all the tips guys. I will keep them in mind should I go to MBJ on vacation. For spotting purposes the best time to go to MBJ is in December due to increased traffic? What about rain, I assume it also rains more often in December so is it better to go in March/April or has traffic decreased again by that time?

Actually, there is less rain in Dec..Dec-Feb are peak times to do spotting in MBJ due to winter traffic..I will provide some old pics from MBJ, which should give you an idea of the environment...













Quoting guyanam (Reply 47):

Dont be too sure that DL cannot regain share. Their flights were 90% booked, despite having higher fares than BW. This means that they could have added more flights if they wanted to.
Quoting guyanam (Reply 47):
Remember that Travelspan is also coming in with 2X 767s and with the ability to fill these planes, given that they dominate the travel wholesaler space in the NYC VFR sector. Many elderly people still use travel agents. Dont see JFK GEO supporting 4 carriers.

Will Travelspan operate a year round or seasonal service?
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RE: GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47

Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 46):
For spotting purposes the best time to go to MBJ is in December due to increased traffic? What about rain, I assume it also rains more often in December so is it better to go in March/April or has traffic decreased again by that time?

I would say the winter season is the best time for spotting in MBJ as some charter carriers only operate there during that period. Also the regulars tend to increase their frequencies as well. So late November through to March is the most ideal time I think. As for rain, October is typically the most rainy/stormy month for Jamaica compared to other wet months such as May and the occasional convective downpours during July/August. December isn't too rainy in general, unless some cold front or system moves in.
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