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JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:00 pm

I am trying to populate my FlightMemory.com page, and I flew countless JFK-SEA trips to see my grandparents as a child, between 1979 and 1990. I know I flew UA most of the time, and occasionally NW.

Questions: what aircraft would UA and NW have flown during this period on this routing? 747 or 767? And did NW definitely have a non-stop? Maybe I went through MSP a few times and don't recall that.

Thanks very much for helping me on this trip down memory lane.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:02 pm

 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:11 pm

Quoting nycflyer (Thread starter):
I am trying to populate my FlightMemory.com page, and I flew countless JFK-SEA trips to see my grandparents as a child, between 1979 and 1990. I know I flew UA most of the time, and occasionally NW.

Questions: what aircraft would UA and NW have flown during this period on this routing? 747 or 767? And did NW definitely have a non-stop? Maybe I went through MSP a few times and don't recall that.

Thanks very much for helping me on this trip down memory lane.

I have some old NW timetables from the 1990s that have a JFK - SEA non-stop flight on the 757.

In 1990 I have:

Effective: June 1st, 1990
NW19 JFK - SEA Dep 8:30a Arv 11:25a B757-200
(This flight also continued onto SEL with a change of EQP to a 747 in SEA and after SEL continued onto either TPE or MNL)

Effective: July 1st, 1990
NW19 JFK - SEA Dep 8:30a Arv 11:38a B757-200
(This flight also continued onto SEL with a change of EQP to a 747 in SEA and after SEL continued onto either TPE or MNL).

I also have some NW timetables from the 1980s

Effective: September 8th, 1980
NW7 JFK - SEA 10:00a 12:29p DC10
(This flight has an R in the schedule for either "Regal Imperial Service or "Royal Orchid Service")
(This flight also continued onto NRT and HKG with a change of EQP in SEA to a 747)

Effective: October 26th, 1980
NW7 JFK - SEA 10:00a 12:39p DC10
(This flight has an R in the schedule for either "Regal Imperial Service or "Royal Orchid Service")
(This Flight also continued onto NRT and HKG with a change of EQP in SEA to a 747)

Effective: September 7th, 1982
NW7 JFK - SEA 10:00a 12:29p DC10
(This flight has an R in the schedule for either "Regal Imperial Service or "Royal Orchid Service")
(This Flight also continued onto NRT and HKG with a change of EQP in SEA to a 747)

Effective: June 1st 1987
NW64 JFK - SEA 8:55a 11:47a (No EQP listed but it's not bolded so assuming it's a 757).

Hope this helps.

[Edited 2013-09-24 09:25:04]
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:11 pm

Quoting nycflyer (Thread starter):
Questions: what aircraft would UA and NW have flown during this period on this routing? 747 or 767?

United would mostly be DC10s. Maybe a DC-8. I doubt you'd often see a 747 between Seattle and New York.
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:46 pm

UA definitely flew JFK-SEA in the late 1990s. They also flew EWR-SEA in the 1996-1998 time era.
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:05 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
UA definitely flew JFK-SEA in the late 1990s. They also flew EWR-SEA in the 1996-1998 time era.

JFK-SEA was flown up until after 9/11 if I remember correctly.
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:11 pm

TWA also operated a JFK-SEA-PDX up until the end.
 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:12 pm

I flew Northwest from JFK to SEA in or around 1980 if my memory serves me correctly. I recall it was on a DC-10 and I'm fairly certain it was non-stop but it's quite possible there was a stop in MSP. I have no recollection of changing planes in MSP, so assuming there was a stop there it was same-plane service from JFK to SEA. Sorry I don't remember all the details. I was 17 years old at the time so memory fades...
 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:40 pm

UA flew the 767-200 on JFK-SEA.
TWA flew the L1011 JFK-SEA-PDX
CO flew an A300 EWR-SEA
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:04 pm

I flew UA JFK-SEA in December 1978 and SEA-JFK in June 1980. Both were DC-10s.
 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:21 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
They also flew EWR-SEA in the 1996-1998 time era.

In 1997 UA operated JFK-SEA with a 757 and EWR-SEA with an A320. UA also flew EWR-SAN with an A320.
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
In 1997 UA operated JFK-SEA with a 757 and EWR-SEA with an A320. UA also flew EWR-SAN with an A320.

That was very close to the end of United (and TWA's) point-to-point transcon business. jetBlue was just getting going, and the legacies had much more pricing power in the transcon market still. By 2000, with B6 growing and with WN constantly becoming more important, UA had pulled out of routes like BOS-SJC and the above mentioned routes. JFK-SEA lasted longer than most - I believe probably until the bankruptcy (we had a SEA based crew stuck on a JFK layover during 9/11).

United did have a momentary uptick at SEA in the late 1990s with the opening of the SEA 747-400 pilot base and the NRT trip. DEN and IAD got 747-400 flying on and off, as did ORD with the 747-200s. My sister rode one of my buddy passes in the summer of 1999 on a 747-200 on ORD-SEA. She got upper deck business. Those were the days!
 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:17 am

I recall flying SEA-JFK in '89 or so in on UA in an ex PanAm 747SP.
 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:22 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
TWA flew the L1011 JFK-SEA-PDX

They also had the 767-200, as I flew it SEA-JFK and JFK-SEA in Ambassador Class in 1985.
 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:51 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
TWA flew the L1011 JFK-SEA-PDX
They also had the 767-200, as I flew it SEA-JFK and JFK-SEA in Ambassador Class in 1985

Indeed both types operated the route at ine time or another, I can remember flying both types between PDX and SEA, as low as $33.00 r/t inclusive of taxes.
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:19 pm

Quoting TW870 (Reply 11):
That was very close to the end of United (and TWA's) point-to-point transcon business.

TWA didnt have p2p transcons beyond DCA-LAX.

Remember, that in 2000, JFK was still a hub (although a greatly diminished one)
 
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:25 pm

Quoting nycflyer (Thread starter):
I am trying to populate my FlightMemory.com page, and I flew countless JFK-SEA trips to see my grandparents as a child, between 1979 and 1990. I know I flew UA most of the time, and occasionally NW.
http://www.departedflights.com/SEA79p2.html - 11/15/79
http://www.departedflights.com/NYC79p11.html

http://www.departedflights.com/SEA81p2.html - 4/1/81
http://www.departedflights.com/JFK81p4.html

http://www.departedflights.com/SEAp2.html - 7/1/83
http://www.departedflights.com/JFKp5.html

http://www.departedflights.com/SEA85p2.html - 2/15/85

http://www.departedflights.com/SEA89p2.html - 12/15/89
http://www.departedflights.com/JFK89p4.html

http://www.departedflights.com/SEA91p2.html- 10/01/91

Hope this helps you out, several changes including NW 757, UA 767, TW L-1011 good luck filling things out.
I'd never heard of that site. I'll have to check it out, right now my flown log is a pdf file.
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RE: JFK-SEA In The 1980's

Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:58 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 15):
TWA didnt have p2p transcons beyond DCA-LAX.

By the mid-1990s that is correct. Some p2p transcons did hang on into the 1990s, though. LAX-IAD made it until 1991 or later - at least until the Icahn LHR route sale fiasco. But you are correct that after the sale, everything either went to Kennedy, STL, or was a tag-on (like MSP-IND-JFK).

United's p2p transcons made it a little longer, but were basically all gone by 2000.

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