Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
PanAm747LHR
Topic Author
Posts: 179
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:58 pm

JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:31 pm

I was having a conversation last night with a friend who works for jetBlue, and he mentioned that over the summer a bulletin was posted on their internal website (hellojetblue.com) that announced the order of 10 A330s. Within 10 minutes of being posted, the bulletin was removed and Dave Barger (B6's CEO) sent out an email (which my friend saved and I did see) saying that of course the employees would be the first to know about anything, but to please disregard the information posted in the earlier bulletin.

So did someone in B6's PR department slip and let the cat out of the bag, or was it just a typo/someone having a laugh? With the arrival of the 321s and the Mint product, does anyone see jetBlue trying to jump across the pond now with 330s?

Big news if it is their next step!

Happy flying to all,

Nikko
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Posts: 26968
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:56 pm

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Thread starter):
or was it just a typo

If it was a typo, what would be the real order? More A320s?

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Thread starter):
someone having a laugh

That sounds very unprofessional.
What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived.
 
PanAm747LHR
Topic Author
Posts: 179
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:58 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:25 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
That sounds very unprofessional.

Agreed, which is why I'm leaning towards a slip...
 
ATLgaUSA
Posts: 223
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:58 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 2):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
That sounds very unprofessional.

Agreed, which is why I'm leaning towards a slip...

The PR department wouldn't know about plans to order 330s until very shortly before the announcement was made.
 
Eagleboy
Posts: 1868
Joined: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:29 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:59 pm

Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 3):
The PR department wouldn't know about plans to order 330s until very shortly before the announcement was made.

I'm with this opinion.

However 10 A330 seems like quite a lot to commence. Don't B6 have Aer Lingus doing their transfers to Europe. Do they do the same with Hawaiian Westwards?
 
werdywerd
Posts: 610
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:40 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:15 pm

Don't recall this ever happening. Only email we received from Barger last summer mentioning that "we would be the first to know" was a couple of times
- When there was talk of Neeleman buying out Jetblue.
- When there were rumors that AA would possibly by us out

A note was sent out that its a bad rumor and if anything like this would be in the works, we would be the first to know.

I think your friend was having a laugh with you.
 
adam42185
Posts: 54
Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:18 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Thread starter):
does anyone see jetBlue trying to jump across the pond now with 330s?

I think if they get 330s they will be using them from the north east to the Carribean/ Latin/South America before they go to Europe. Just my opinion though.
 
United1689
Posts: 73
Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 8:48 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting adam42185 (Reply 6):
I think if they get 330s they will be using them from the north east to the Carribean/ Latin/South America before they go to Europe. Just my opinion though.

I think you're exactly right. I bet they will do a lot to connect their network to Azul's, mainly by offering flights to GRU, GIG, SSA and perhaps VCP.

But back on topic, is there a way for someone to check Airbus' order book? Kind of like it's easy to check Boeing's?

United1689
 
richierich
Moderator
Posts: 3632
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2000 5:49 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:47 pm

While you can make a list of pros and cons as to why JetBlue should or should not go wide and long by ordering A330s, my opinion is that there is no such deal currently in the pipeline. Between placing a recent order for the A320neos, as well as delving into the premium market with the new A321s, I believe B6 has a little too much going on right now to entertain a whole new aircraft type and, frankly, a completely different direction for the company.

Anything is possible, of course, and A330s are probably selling at a favorable price right now. If that is the route B6 decides to go, my guess is they would lease them over a term of between 5-10 years. It's hard to say anybody would be "shocked" by such an annoucement but I'll go on record as saying I would be extremely surprised at this time.
None shall pass!!!!
 
DTWPurserBoy
Posts: 2374
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:33 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:52 pm

Just a typo, guys. Relax. A330's do not fit B6's business model.
Qualified on Concorde/B707/B720/B727/B737/B747/B757/B767/B777/DC-8/DC-9/DC-10/A319/A320/A330/MD-88-90
 
dlramp4life
Posts: 1001
Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:23 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:44 pm

This will tie into the airline rumor thread
 
xdlx
Posts: 975
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:29 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting United1689 (Reply 7):

Mentioned here b4, thought they where considering EK 345 ... Sure AB would prefer they buy new A33!
The link up with Azul is closer than many think!
 
DTWPurserBoy
Posts: 2374
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:33 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 10):
This will tie into the airline rumor thread

I started that thread--thanks for the note.
Qualified on Concorde/B707/B720/B727/B737/B747/B757/B767/B777/DC-8/DC-9/DC-10/A319/A320/A330/MD-88-90
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6795
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:00 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 9):

JetBlue has mentioned a couple of times that they are reviewing a wide body order. I don't see this rumor as outrageously unfathomable but for its delivery. Can't see a CEO retracting a bulletin. That would not be his job and it would only give the material credibility. Would a CEO retract a typo?

However, I do see B6 operating small wide bodies to Latin America. It would be a very logical extension of their business model as a no frills, single class*, value oriented airline.

tortugamon
 
User avatar
DarkSnowyNight
Posts: 2838
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:59 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:00 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 9):
A330's do not fit B6's business model.

Yeah, and last month neither were Premium config'd A321s. Things change, and they usually don't ask our preconceived notions for permission first...




As for this, I find it hard to imagine B6 won't have 330s sooner or later, given their somewhat linear progression over the last decade. But I also find it equally hard to imagine this is happening anytime in the next two years or so.
Well, you know what they say. Whatever doesn't kill you...
... Must not be an MD-11.
 
User avatar
lightsaber
Moderator
Posts: 22118
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:08 am

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 9):
Just a typo, guys. Relax. A330's do not fit B6's business model.

Exactly. They ask for a TATL A321NEO. Heck, the current promised NEO range is enough to open up quite a few more markets for B6.   


Now if they would only get an inland hub...

Lightsaber
6 months without TV. The best decision of my life.
 
flflyer
Posts: 90
Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 2:29 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:37 pm

What percentage does LH own of B6?
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Posts: 26968
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:42 pm

Quoting flflyer (Reply 16):
What percentage does LH own of B6?

15.85%
What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived.
 
PHLBOS
Posts: 6520
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:38 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:13 pm

As others mentioned, it's most likely a typo and it should have read A320s.

This reminds me of a posted FL order of 736s from an independent source several years ago; in reality, it was an order for additional 73Gs. In that case, someone must've mistook the G for a 6.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
 
BOS2LAF
Posts: 353
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:21 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:17 pm

I don't know about an A330 order, and here's why:

While the A330 is a great performer, newer generation wide bodies are even better. The A332 would be the perfect size, but B6 would be competing against a growing number of carriers with more efficient 787s and A350s, putting B6 at a cost disadvantage.

For this reason, I see an A330 order unlikely, unless it is a stopgap measure as part of an A350 order. However, I see an A350 order as equally unlikely, as the A350-800 will hold 270 in a 3-class layout, according to Airbus' website. B6 would likely go with a 2-class layout with "Mint" and Economy, with some Even More Space seats thrown in. This would likely take the capacity closer to 300. This would be a massive jump for B6 to make for their first foray into the wide body market, and it also leaves huge gap in capacity between the 190 seat A321 and a 300-ish seat A358.

Something not much bigger than 250 seats would be a perfect size for B6 to start out with, and the only next-generation wide body in that capacity range is the B787-8.

The only way I could see an A330 in the B6 fleet would be if Airbus (or a leasing company) gives B6 fire-sale pricing on A332s to the point where the low acquisition cost erases the impact of any increased operating costs as compared to 787s or A350s.

With all that said, I think the more pressing issue for B6's fleet needs is an E190 replacement. Those earlier than expected expensive engine replacements were not a pleasant surprise to B6 nor Wall St. With Embaers being so.... temperamental, B6 execs might be wise to pay a visit to YMX if they haven't already done so.
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Posts: 26968
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:31 pm

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 19):
While the A330 is a great performer, newer generation wide bodies are even better. The A332 would be the perfect size, but B6 would be competing against a growing number of carriers with more efficient 787s and A350s, putting B6 at a cost disadvantage.
Quoting bos2laf (Reply 19):
The only way I could see an A330 in the B6 fleet would be if Airbus (or a leasing company) gives B6 fire-sale pricing on A332s to the point where the low acquisition cost erases the impact of any increased operating costs as compared to 787s or A350s.

A330s are already cheaper, Airbus lately explained that lower acquisition costs are part of the sales campaign. So you have an 787 with 20% lower fuel burn per seat but you can get an A330 for 10-15% cheaper (and it is available right now). Of course, this might also affect A350 sales. I think Airbus can hold this strategy until the 787 backlog is down to 2-3 years, but this won't happen before the end of the decade.
What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived.
 
richierich
Moderator
Posts: 3632
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2000 5:49 am

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:32 pm

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 19):
With all that said, I think the more pressing issue for B6's fleet needs is an E190 replacement. Those earlier than expected expensive engine replacements were not a pleasant surprise to B6 nor Wall St. With Embaers being so.... temperamental, B6 execs might be wise to pay a visit to YMX if they haven't already done so.

I know this is a little off of the thread topic but what exactly is the story with these engines? Are they wearing out prematurely? Is B6 seeking compensation from either Embraer, GE or both?
None shall pass!!!!
 
columba
Posts: 5256
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:12 pm

RE: JetBlue 330 Order (PR Slip?)

Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:56 pm

Would an A330 Regional be an optiion for B6 flying Transcon and Latin America ?
Air Berlin - gone but not forgotten

Who is online

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos