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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6): How about Canadian expansion from SLC? |
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 8): I think I missed something, since when did DL order the A321? |
Quote: Delta Air Lines has placed a firm order with Airbus for 30 A321ceo (current engine option) and 10 A330-300 aircraft. This order marks a strong return to Airbus since Delta’s last order some two decades ago. |
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 8): I'm assuming these planes will have CFM engines for commonality with the A319/A320s |
Quoting seven3seven (Reply 5): In the US specific planes are not based somewhere.The pilots who fly them have a specific base, but not the planes. |
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter): and it seems like SLC would be a prime candidate for an A321 base due to its thrust advantage over the 739ER. So, what does anyone here think? |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10): Where the plane spends the night is trivial. |
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12): That is also not true. Many "last flights" is orchestrated for RON MTC. I'll dig up the document that shows how specific types get sent to certain cities for thisreason. |
Quoting scbriml (Reply 9): Yes, they have. Frankly, despite the sometimes over-played attraction of commonality, it's a little surprising since the V2500 is clearly the superior engine on the A321. |
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 11): Delta does not base aircraft in specific cities, however they do base pilots in specific cities, |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 13): You're missing my point in responding to seven3seven, who believes pilots have a base and planes do not. |
Quoting seven3seven (Reply 18): Uhh, you're the one missing the point. I don't "believe" it, I know it. |
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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10): Aircraft types are most definitely designated to be responsible for a percentage of departures at specific airline hubs; and thus become "based" within the greater network. This is by design. We can list several examples - the A320 at SLC being one of them... |
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14): I think it had more to do with a financing deal between GE and DL, since GE is one of DL's financers. |
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14): Note that DL operates lots of MD-90s with IAE V2500 engines, therefore DL is already familiar with the V2500 and thus commonality couldn't have been the only reason for choosing CFM on the A321. |
Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 4): What is it at SLC that requires extra performance? |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 23): why? Commonality played a big part in it. (~130 V2500s in the fleet vs ~420 CFM56s with 200 more on order before the 321 order |
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14): Yet they went with GE engines for the A333 order instead of P&W like their existing fleet. Rather than commonality, I think it had more to do with a financing deal between GE and DL, since GE is one of DL's financers. Also, there was some report of DL having a dispute with P&W, and remember that P&W is the majority shareholder of IAE. |
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 25): So if commonality was the main reason for DL's engine selection, why did DL go with GE instead of P&W for the A333s? |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 27): And you didn't answer my question, yet again. What do you mean be GE is a Delta financier? |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 23): but its very fluid and ATL has more 32X flying than any Delta hub. SLC/MSP/DTW were all with in 5 flights a day of each other. (for S13) |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 31): The MD-90 is also greater than MSP... And MSP is universally recognized as an MD-90 base. |
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12): That is also not true. Many "last flights" is orchestrated for RON MTC. I'll dig up the document that shows how specific types get sent to certain cities for thisreason. |
Quoting laca773 (Reply 34): Is it true DL moved the majority of the M90s flown from SLC to MSP due to better performance for the routes based on range economics. They found the A319/A320s were much more efficient for the routes out of SLC based on distance when compared to the M90s some of those routes previously? |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 33): by who? 99.9% of the people i have seen say that is people who think MSP has more M90 flights. I have never heard it referred to by anyone higher up in Delta. MSP is a MD90, but its not "the" MD90 base because Delta doesn't have a single MD90 base. Delta doesn't "base" airplanes anywhere. If they have a "base" its where the PSVs are done but even then, the 717s will be done in MSP and they wont even hard fly in and out of there. So are they really based there? |
Quoting Coronado (Reply 15): A 757 is a heavy aircraft for hauling 200 pax on a 400-600 n. mile route. Fastest way to enhance the profitability of these routes is to deploy the relatively large main cabin, more fuel efficient, lighter weight 321, is in place of these 757's. |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 31): And MSP is universally recognized as an MD-90 base. |
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Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 26): Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6): How about Canadian expansion from SLC? If that happens it will be a code share agrement with WS |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 33): MSP is a MD90, but its not "the" MD90 base because Delta doesn't have a single MD90 base. Delta doesn't "base" airplanes anywhere. |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10): Aircraft types are most definitely designated to be responsible for a percentage of departures at specific airline hubs; and thus become "based" within the greater network. This is by design. We can list several examples - the A320 at SLC being one of them... |
Quoting e38 (Reply 39): The basic implication of the statement is that on a given day, Delta moves a LOT of MD-90s through MSP, and this is true. |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 33): Why? well most of the 757 and 767 flying is ATL based. |
Quoting laca773 (Reply 34): As far as I'm aware, DL has never done anything this specific regarding certain fleet types being based out of certain hubs. |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 40): And as I said, Atlanta has most 90 flights than MSP. |
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 37): The greater fuel efficiency of the 321 suggests it should be used on longer hauls enabling greater utilization (in terms of flight hours, not flights), |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 42): I can see the A321 doing a lot of SLC - East coast flying |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 42): You're a company guy, right? So it surprises me you would challenge the MSP & MD-90 correlation. And to be clear, I did not say "THE" MD-90 base, as if trumping all other hubs. Rather a base for the MD-90. Different implications. |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 42): Really? I thought "Delta doesn't "base" airplanes anywhere." |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 42): That's not true, even if your definition is 100% of all flying. For example, for a period of time in the earlier 2000's the MD-90 was exclusively operated out of SLC. Before that, it was DFW. |
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 42): In regards to ATL, you're remiss in dismissing the fact that: |
Quoting roseflyer (Reply 45): I haven't seen any charts that show the A321 having more range than a 739ER with a typical passenger load. Has anyone seen one? I was under the impression 737ngs usually had similar or a bit more range. |
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 35): The MD-90s have the range to hit everything in the lower 48 from MSP so it makes sense to swap. The 319/320 made sense to move to SLC since they can fly east coast-slc. They can do the normal East coast-slc-west coast rotation of the SLC hub. The MD90s were good at high altitude for like california, vegas, denver etc but just didn't have the range on takeoff of slc to fly to the east so they were not as easy to rotate. The swap really made sense since the MD90s can hit everything from MSP making it a great plane. |
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 46): I havn't seen anything on that either. I thought the rumor was that the 737-900s were runway hogs on take off and SLC high altitude and hot temperate risk certainly wont help at all. |