New Seasons - Caribbean Aviation Thread 107

caribbean484 · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:00 pm

Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding: These are said to be the new uniforms of the FA

Also CAL will add new permanent flights to Jamaica; KIN-JFK, KIN-FLL and MBJ-JFK will now be 9w from their current 7w. It is being proposed KINJFK-FLL will be increased to 10w in April

LimaFoxTango · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:35 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):

Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding: These are said to be the new uniforms of the FA

Absolutely terrible. Would've expect ALOT better from CAL.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 149):
Let's see if this will get off the ground. I know the 727 goes into DOM, but can the B733 do it as well?

I've seen a 732 there, but that was a one off charter during their elections some years ago. As there are no airstair vehicles at the airport, it was quite a trip getting the pax on and off. Also saw a USAF C17 there as well.

guyanam · Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:49 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 149):

It appears as if many Dominicans are skeptical. I know that Amerijet flies a 727 in, but that is a cargo flight. Will FAA approve this?
Has the ECCAA approved it?

What CAL needs to do is add more color to its logo. Those uniforms will hurt people's eyes.

The increased JFK KIN is over due as the loads are usually good, and not every one likes departures at 2 AM.

Not sure about the FLL increase as the LFs were quite mediocre.

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BW985 · Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:38 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding: These are said to be the new uniforms of the FA

I hope that is a joke.

I actually find their current uniforms quite nice.

2travel2know2 · Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:19 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding: These are said to be the new uniforms of the FA

BW is taking the Trini Carnival to new heights inside their cabins.

andrefranca · Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding: These are said to be the new uniforms of the FA

This is disastrous! their current one is so much nicer!

turk223 · Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:37 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding

No way! This combined with the mish-mash of cabin interiors and the half-Air Jamaica/Caribbean planes? Re-branding? Try first to get a standardised product across the fleet! As well, I think BW has more important things to worry about other than adding a neon-coloured new uniform to the mix...

BW424 · Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding: These are said to be the new uniforms of the FA

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 155):
This is disastrous! their current one is so much nicer!

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 154):
BW is taking the Trini Carnival to new heights inside their cabins.

LOLOLOL

Quoting BW985 (Reply 153):
I hope that is a joke.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 152):
Those uniforms will hurt people's eyes.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 151):
Absolutely terrible. Would've expect ALOT better from CAL.

LOL guys. This is not a new design for FA uniforms. These are just brand ambassador outfits for their re-launch of KIN. I would be extremely disaapointed as well if these were FA uniforms. Thank God they aren't.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
Also CAL will add new permanent flights to Jamaica; KIN-JFK, KIN-FLL and MBJ-JFK will now be 9w from their current 7w. It is being proposed KINJFK-FLL will be increased to 10w in April

It seems what should have been done in 2010 is now happening, albeit 3 years late and with less money, but better late than never. All resources should have been focused on integrating and strengthening the KIN hub. KIN and MBJ are extremely important markets in business and leisure and I'm happy to see some concerted effort towards them now. As Lok Jack said back in 2009; KIN and MBJ have immense potential to become much larger than POS operations.

I sincerely hope to see a more Pan-Caribbean approach to branding and corporate communications. BW is a multi-national Caribbean carrier and it should reflect that appropriately in its approach to its various core indigenous markets.

I am cautiously excited to see what the new executive will be.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 151):
Also saw a USAF C17 there as well.

A C-17 in DOM? Now that is impressive. Speaks volumes of the capabilities of the military's all-purpose transport workhorse.

caribbean484 · Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:04 am

Ok guys not to worry, these uniforms were just for show as the airline unveiled its expansion plans for Jamaica next year to the JTB at the The Jamaica Pegasus Hotel.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 152):
The increased JFK KIN is over due as the loads are usually good, and not every one likes departures at 2 AM.

I agree, the NYC flights are always in the 90% not sure why the last CFO cut the flights though, if anything they needed to add more flights to MBJ also.

aa1818 · Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:40 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 123):
Indeed what I noted with the example given is that the 6 Venezuelan business men flew BW to POS, but continued on to MIA on AA. They could have easily done so on BW, but didnt. Is BW really capable of increasing brand loyalty into that very AA dominated market?

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):

Very bright and cheap looking. The current denim with a splash of colour is perfect...perhaps a little refresh...but i don't like the inconsistency with the four different scarves.

Thumbs down.

Edit: Now seeing the other posts about the "uniforms"....Thank heavens!

AA1818

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caribbean484 · Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:24 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 159):
Edit: Now seeing the other posts about the "uniforms"....Thank heavens!

Quoting BW424 (Reply 157):
It seems what should have been done in 2010 is now happening, albeit 3 years late and with less money, but better late than never. All resources should have been focused on integrating and strengthening the KIN hub.

I know I scared some people lol. Have to agree with 424, it's time CAL put its focus on building a proper brand awareness in Jamaica and build it out to what it is suppose to be. KIN has the potential to be bigger than POS, albeit with the struggling Jamaican economy its a little more difficult. In time with proper management and true customer focus it will be sustainable long term.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 157):
I am cautiously excited to see what the new executive will be.

Well the board keeps saying they want a new team by year's end; interviews are already taking place so we will see.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 152):
It appears as if many Dominicans are skeptical. I know that Amerijet flies a 727 in, but that is a cargo flight. Will FAA approve this?

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 145):
Hi does anyone know anything about CIT Airways Caribbean Island Transport Airways. According to their website they are the national carrier of DOM and will be operating a fleet of Boeing 737-300s. My internet search has revealed nothing.

Not sure what it is, but I doubt it's serious they have mentioned flights to MIA as well.

817Dreamliiner · Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:02 am

Just checked planespotters, it seems Air Caraibes will be joining Liat and Caribbean Airlines as a operator of the ATR 72-600 in the Caribbean (they currently have 3 ATR 72-500s ). They are listed to get MSN 1124. Liat's next ATR 42-600 should be MSN 1010, but so far I've seen no sign of it...

On a personal note, I get my first Airbus A330 flight this December on VS, LGW-ANU. Should be interesting

. Wont be doing a trip report this time around, have lots of revision to do over the Christmas break and wont have time to write one.

LimaFoxTango · Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:53 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 161):
it seems Air Caraibes will be joining Liat and Caribbean Airlines as a operator of the ATR 72-600 in the Caribbean

They only ordered one. Go figure.

BWIA 772 · Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 158):

So what are the expansion plans for KIN? Also will BW look at BGI JFK even if its an add on to an exiting POS-JFK frequency?

Regards
BWIA 772

guyanam · Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:02 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 160):

Not sure that KIN can be bigger than POS at this point. Unless they get back into MIA. As of now they tie with AA on the KIN North America routes. Behind if the YYZ route is excluded.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 163):

According to reports the Bdos govt is talking to BW about 3X to JFK. They are also talking to DL. Given DLs bad track record in the E/Cbn I do not hold my breath for that. The big probl;em with BW though is its inability to help them with their promotion into the NY area leisure market. Maybe BW will get the VFR leaving B6 on the leisure.

I am always puzzled why BGI doesn't do better in the US leisure market when it is well known, and usually viewed positively for the mature mass affluent travelers. St L is ahead of them this year in US visitor arrivals and ANU not that far behind.

caribbean484 · Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 163):
So what are the expansion plans for KIN? Also will BW look at BGI JFK even if its an add on to an exiting POS-JFK frequency?

For right now, they want by the end of next year to have the same flight schedule as last year, thereby optimizing the fleet utilization.

As for Barbados, as Guyanam pointed out, my source told me that a team from the BTA is negotiating with CAL for flights to JFK once again. How it turns out will be interesting to see. I would like to see CAL return to the BGI-JFK route once again, as it was always one of BWIA's best performing route.

yellowtail · Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 150):
Hey guys what do you think of the CAL re-branding:

Definitely won't be hard to find them in crowd. I guess the designer was channeling breadfruit influences.

guyanam · Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:35 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 165):

By running the JFK BGI service it positions BW to start additional routes to the US combining POS/GEO business/VFR with BGI VFR/leisure. Maybe DC might be a possibility down the road.

caribbean484 · Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:28 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 167):
By running the JFK BGI service it positions BW to start additional routes to the US combining POS/GEO business/VFR with BGI VFR/leisure. Maybe DC might be a possibility down the road.

Well they have been talking about IAD for a while now, since the days of Lok Jack. But I agree it will not diversify CAL from CAL's network.

B6 has begun selling tickets for POS-JFK, POS-FLL, flights for next year.

Christmas travel is almost here and JFK will be packed with CAL flights for the season, on many days CAL will have 11 flights from T4 at JFK, with a mix of the airline's 738 and 763.
Timetable for the week 17 to 25 December:
KIN-JFK will have 14w flights, MBJ-JFK 9w, POS-JFK 28w nonstops in addition to 2w stop flights to GND and 1w TAB, and GEO-JFK 5w.

YYZ will continue have 3 daily on many days: 2d from POS and 5w from KIN
FLL will continue to have 4d: 1d MBJ, 2d KIN, 1d POS
MCO will have 5w services.

guyanam · Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:35 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 168):

Note that BW has gone back to full meal service on its mid and long distance day time flights. Guess they are getting ready for B6, which will not offer this, and will have a more restrictive baggage policy. Hope these Caribbean people appreciate this.

GUYAIR707 · Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 169):

I am on 526 tomorrow will let you know of any improvements.

GUYAIR707

A388 · Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 168):
Christmas travel is almost here and JFK will be packed with CAL flights for the season, on many days CAL will have 11 flights from T4 at JFK, with a mix of the airline's 738 and 763.
Timetable for the week 17 to 25 December:
KIN-JFK will have 14w flights, MBJ-JFK 9w, POS-JFK 28w nonstops in addition to 2w stop flights to GND and 1w TAB, and GEO-JFK 5w.

YYZ will continue have 3 daily on many days: 2d from POS and 5w from KIN
FLL will continue to have 4d: 1d MBJ, 2d KIN, 1d POS
MCO will have 5w services.

Wow, amazing number of frequencies, I assume they have the same amount of frequencies each year during Christmas time or similar to last year's frequencies? Will they lease additional aircraft for this busy season or will there two 76W's be dedicated to this route and leave LGW for the time being? Otherwise they might even need to lease aircraft, even though they have the 76W.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 169):
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 168):

Note that BW has gone back to full meal service on its mid and long distance day time flights. Guess they are getting ready for B6, which will not offer this, and will have a more restrictive baggage policy. Hope these Caribbean people appreciate this.

I hope it works in their favour.

A388

bjorn14 · Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:41 pm

Did Air Europa ever become the official flag carrier of the Dom. Rep?

817Dreamliiner · Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:03 pm

Here's a photo of MSN 1010, which should be the next ATR 42-600 for Liat, Photo by Clement Alloing

LIAT ATR 42-600 cn 1010 F-WWLS // V2-??? by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr

caribbean484 · Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:36 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 171):
Wow, amazing number of frequencies, I assume they have the same amount of frequencies each year during Christmas time or similar to last year's frequencies? Will they lease additional aircraft for this busy season or will there two 76W's be dedicated to this route and leave LGW for the time being? Otherwise they might even need to lease aircraft, even though they have the 76W.

No all flights would be flown with the airline's 738 and 767, optimizing their fleet for the winter .

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 172):
Did Air Europa ever become the official flag carrier of the Dom. Rep?

Not to my knowledge; It is the leading carrier from Spain to the Caribbean and number three on Spain to Upper South America and Spain to lower South America. Air Europa is the number two airline group overall on Spain to Latin America, behind IAG (and Spain is the leading country market from Europe to Latin America). 23% of the market between Spain and Latin America
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ccs-challenge-on-short-haul-121277

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 172):
Here's a photo of MSN 1010, which should be the next ATR 42-600 for Liat, Photo by Clement Alloing

Nice would this be the last ATR-600 for them?

LimaFoxTango · Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:42 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 173):
Here's a photo of MSN 1010, which should be the next ATR 42-600 for Liat, Photo by Clement Alloing

Odd, they're usually painted by the time it reaches first flight.

817Dreamliiner · Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:54 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 174):
Nice would this be the last ATR-600 for them?

I think there are still a few more to come

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 175):
Odd, they're usually painted by the time it reaches first flight.

Indeed, I am actually wondering why it wasnt painted.

guyanam · Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 174):

So what are BWs plans for the B6 onslaught into POS next year? Are there any expectations that AA will suffer?

aa1818 · Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:15 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 177):
So what are BWs plans for the B6 onslaught into POS next year? Are there any expectations that AA will suffer?

BW has been making minor upgrades changes in its service.
I know they are very focussed on improving Customer Service at the moment which should bode well for them in the long run.

I don't think B6 will do much damage, if any to AA or BW at MIA. The MIA market is so mature that I can't see an additional FLL flight hurting MIA traffic. Furthermore, AA's fliers will always fly AA, there are many loyal AAdvantage members in POS who connect in MIA, and if you ever check the baggage carousel at MIA or POS when an AA flight arrives, more than 75% of the baggage tags are connecting flights- many being business trips. B6 will, however, hurt BW- no two ways about that. If B6's reputation holds true, and if BW continues in its lackluster performance, B6 will dominate FLL.

That said, the GoRTT will continue to support BW. At the end of the day, the POS market, unlike KIN, MBJ and BGI etc markets requires a domestic carrier. Capacity and airlift would not be maintained at the necessary levels without a POS-based carrier. It doesn't necessarily have to be home-owned- we Trinis are not nationalistic. Without BW, POS would have had no links to some important cities- FLL (soon we will have B6), JFK (charter's are unreliable), YYZ (WestJet was a recent addition after the departure of AC), and in years gone by BW was the sole carrier linking POS and London. BW also provides necessary capacity on POS-BGI, POS-ANU, POS-GEO and POS-KIN which otherwise would be left up to the woeful LIAT services. POS is a business hub due to financial services, manufacturing and oil and gas, something no other english-speaking caribbean territory can boast, and because of that requires regular, reliable service to destinations in order to facilitate business. We are not looking for every and any charter and fly-by-night operation to help provide service for some bargain-hunting backpackers.

That's my 2 cents.

Cheers,
AA1818

trintocan · Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:07 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 178):

That said, the GoRTT will continue to support BW. At the end of the day, the POS market, unlike KIN, MBJ and BGI etc markets requires a domestic carrier. Capacity and airlift would not be maintained at the necessary levels without a POS-based carrier. It doesn't necessarily have to be home-owned- we Trinis are not nationalistic. Without BW, POS would have had no links to some important cities- FLL (soon we will have B6), JFK (charter's are unreliable), YYZ (WestJet was a recent addition after the departure of AC), and in years gone by BW was the sole carrier linking POS and London. BW also provides necessary capacity on POS-BGI, POS-ANU, POS-GEO and POS-KIN which otherwise would be left up to the woeful LIAT services. POS is a business hub due to financial services, manufacturing and oil and gas, something no other english-speaking caribbean territory can boast, and because of that requires regular, reliable service to destinations in order to facilitate business. We are not looking for every and any charter and fly-by-night operation to help provide service for some bargain-hunting backpackers.

Very good points all around, reflecting POS's major differences from most other Caribbean destinations. I would argue though that in the absence of BW of either flavour, JFK would have seen AA and B6 slugging it out, AC would not have left POS (new BW effectively undid them) and BA would have been even more entrenched in POS than it is now. It is possible that FLL may not have had service though. The KIN route would have been beyond LI and so JM in its original form may have had that market. The domestic route would have been the major issue - then again LI could have been flying that too (they served it in the past and bid unsuccessfully for the tender in the '90s). All things being equal, though, POS has a certain market strength which tends to support a home-based carrier.

Trintocan.

andrefranca · Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:19 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 178):
I don't think B6 will do much damage

I wouldn't hold my breath... I had experiences with both AA and B6, and I have nothing but negative things to tell about AA, their service, planes, staff are mediocre at best, B6 on the other hand so far haven't failed to make me satisfied, I even have to use some of their trueblue points

guyanam · Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:25 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 179):

POS is a strong market but I suspect that its distance from the USA (longer than places like Jamaica, but not quite the high yield long distance South American routes) makes it vulnerable to the AA running every thing through MIA syndrome. So yes there is space for a BW if it is viable and reliable. JM less so as Jamaica's close proximity to the USA guarantees that it will be services as an (almost) domestic destination.

BW might be vulnerable out of JFK as many Caribbean folks swear on the first born about B6. BWs return to full meals and liberal baggage will ensure that they keep some folks.

The thing that amazes me about AA is every new carrier coming in, which one would think would draw business from them, apparently doesn't. Not UA out of IAH, nor BWs new Florida flights. Apparently B6 will not hurt them either. They definitely will in the VFR, which is BWs bread and butter.

So lets hope that BWs customer service improves. Their ground services are abysmal. At least they aren't the "Bound to Wait In Airport" that BWIA was infamous for.

I thought that Trinis were fairly patriotic. At least the ones in the NY area are, not as much as Jamaicans, but I think more than the other West Indians.

caribbean484 · Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:43 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 178):
I know they are very focussed on improving Customer Service at the moment which should bode well for them in the long run.

For right now they are trying to make significant improvements in customer service and experience.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 178):
don't think B6 will do much damage, if any to AA or BW at MIA. The MIA market is so mature that I can't see an additional FLL flight hurting MIA traffic. Furthermore, AA's fliers will always fly AA, there are many loyal AAdvantage members in POS who connect in MIA, and if you ever check the baggage carousel at MIA or POS when an AA flight arrives, more than 75% of the baggage tags are connecting flights- many being business trips.

Not sure how much damage B6 can really do out of FLL to POS for both BW and AA, AA has a strong presence at MIA and offers connection opportunity beyond, B6 at FLL offers little of that so there will be little changes in that category. The fight as mentioned will be for the O&D market with is not as large as NYC, so it will be interesting to see how B6 fares on this route.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 181):
BW might be vulnerable out of JFK as many Caribbean folks swear on the first born about B6. BWs return to full meals and liberal baggage will ensure that they keep some folks.

Well we will have to wait and see how it goes, competition is welcomed but B6 entry has not seen fares gone lower, some people are already realizing that fares on both airlines are the same, so it will come down to service and reliability.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 181):
The thing that amazes me about AA is every new carrier coming in, which one would think would draw business from them, apparently doesn't. Not UA out of IAH, nor BWs new Florida flights. Apparently B6 will not hurt them either. They definitely will in the VFR, which is BWs bread and butter.

Nothing really amazing, MIA is the hub to Latin America t, which connects almost every state and major European destinations, so AA will continually get that business. As AA1818 mentioned AA pax are 60% of the connecting from POS to MIA and some second destination. IAH is farther west so west coast connections and Canadian may be getting deals with them, maybe some pax to Asia also.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 181):
I thought that Trinis were fairly patriotic. At least the ones in the NY area are, not as much as Jamaicans, but I think more than the other West Indians.

Well everyone likes a bargain despite patriotism

aa1818 · Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:17 pm

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 182):
As AA1818 mentioned AA pax are 60% of the connecting from POS to MIA and some second destination.

I don't have any official statistics, but some AA insiders in both MIA and POS put that statistic higher and closer to the 75% mark.
- All of the Trinidad-headquartered banks with presence in the Cayman Islands etc fly via MIA.
- While CM has taken some of the Latin-American traffic from AA, POS-PTY is quite heavy O&D due to trade and business. AA @ MIA is still, by far, the largest tranfer of POS-Latin-America/ South America passengers.
- Due to loyalty to AAdvantage, many POS based fliers use AA @ MIA for US Connections, Canadian Connections and European Connections (including LHR due to competitive pricing at some times during the year, despite BA on the LGW route).
- POS-Florida is a sizeable market and MIA is the preferred connecting point (not FLL) for MCO, TPA etc.

AA1818

GUYAIR707 · Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:44 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 181):
BW might be vulnerable out of JFK as many Caribbean folks swear on the first born about B6. BWs return to full meals and liberal baggage will ensure that they keep some folks.

526's Business Class was good on November 27th, but the food was not very much improved. BW already has liberal baggage, at least compared to B6. Their lounge at JFK (3rd party managed) was not great at 5am. GEO was not that much better. Checkin was good both ways. It seems demand to GEO is up this season by 11%, I am told flights are horrendously full. 526 was full in Business on 11/27, and a friend that arrived on FlyJam 11/20-21 said it was half full JFK-KIN-GEO, but service was great. He said he didn't mind the 9 hour flight as the fare was significantly less than BW.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 182):
Well we will have to wait and see how it goes, competition is welcomed but B6 entry has not seen fares gone lower, some people are already realizing that fares on both airlines are the same, so it will come down to service and reliability.

If the fares are the same most will go with their FF or other amenity, such as baggage allowance. I always fly the regional or national carrier over the foreign one, unless their rep is really bad, or I have no option. Other than weather BW is seldom late or cancelled, so they are pretty reliable, even with all the complaining going around. In addition, to GEO they have daily flights, sometimes more than one flight, which works for me, as I decide last minute to fly, and I tend to change my flight often, depending on the demands at my destination. My associates use BW out of FLL, to GEO, as it is extremely convenient vs MIA, no need to drive further and less traffic to FLL. I don't see GEO traffic going to B6 as they don't continue to GEO. What POS needs to do is work on seamless transfers, as has been mentioned ad nauseum on this forum. BW should use their influence to help get that done.

GUYAIR707

guyanam · Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:29 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 184):

I assume that FJ was full JFK KIN and half empty on the sector to GEO, otherwise they have problems. Its good that they are getting decent loads via KIN, which means that the Friday nonstop to GEO must be doing well.

All of the lofty ideas of BW using POS as a hub depend on seamless transfer. Though I really don't see what potential exists for this, aside from out of eastern Venezuela. BW already has GEO and PBM covered. Between TAM and AA they pretty much have (or will have) northern Brazil covered into MIA, and I don't know that traffic to NYC is significant.

Coach passengers on BWs long distance routes no longer have to smell hot food wafting in from business class, while they must be satisfied with a sandwich. BW and FJ are now the only carriers serving food on the KIN/MBJ routes. Something else that might drive some traffic away from B6. That is if the food is decent. This on top of the more liberal baggage.

yellowtail · Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:15 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 183):

PDEW between POS and BZE is 21. That is all j too. RBTT bankers, Courts, Carib court of justice, sagicor, etc etc

AA mints money on BZE MIA Caribbean transfers

And POS is one of the routes CM was looking at it would have to connect to if/ when it starts BZE.

Owleye · Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:06 am

Air Turks & Caicos introduces its re-branding to interCaribbean Airways:
http://www.flyairtc.com/newbrand/?page=newbrand
http://liladesign.com/news/news.html

Contest for Turks & Caicos citizens and residents. Name that plane:
http://www.flyairtc.com/name-that-plane.php

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A388 · Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:25 pm

Quoting Owleye (Reply 187):
Air Turks & Caicos introduces its re-branding to interCaribbean Airways:
http://www.flyairtc.com/newbrand/?page=newbrand
http://liladesign.com/news/news.html

Having seen this airline myself in Jamaica, this new livery is a nice change. However, I would have loved to see the flamingo and palm tree coming back in the new livery. The flamingo and the palm tree in its actual shapes will have helped this livery more to be identified with the tropical environment they operate in. Right now it's just a few wavy colors that are nice but bland at the same time in my opinion. The blue clearly reflects the sea but anyone who sees the pink and green color on the tail will never know or make the link to the flamingo and palm tree.

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Owleye · Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:36 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 188):
However, I would have loved to see the flamingo and palm tree coming back in the new livery.

Thanks for the comment. Very appreciated. Livery concepts with flamingo and palm tree were developed during the re-brand process but at the end the airline decided to go for a mood brand design rather than for a story telling brand.

A388 · Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting Owleye (Reply 189):
Quoting A388 (Reply 188):
However, I would have loved to see the flamingo and palm tree coming back in the new livery.

Thanks for the comment. Very appreciated. Livery concepts with flamingo and palm tree were developed during the re-brand process but at the end the airline decided to go for a mood brand design rather than for a story telling brand.

Okay, that would have been better. Too bad the airline decided to drop the flamingo and palm tree.

A388

GUYAIR707 · Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:20 pm

Anyone knows which BW a/c is enroute to South Africa?

GUYAIR707

Inbound · Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 191):
Anyone knows which BW a/c is enroute to South Africa?

GUYAIR707

9Y-LHR B767

guyanam · Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:30 am

Quoting Inbound (Reply 192):

Hopefully Kamla isn't going to disrupt BWs schedule just when the Xmas holidays are beginning.

GUYAIR707 · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting Inbound (Reply 192):

Thanks for the info. I read that they were stopping in Rio for a refuelling stop. I was wondering whether the 763 couldn't do POS to Joburg without a refuelling stop?

GUYAIR707

LimaFoxTango · Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 194):
Thanks for the info. I read that they were stopping in Rio for a refuelling stop. I was wondering whether the 763 couldn't do POS to Joburg without a refuelling stop?

I'm wondering seeing as though they had to stop anyway, they couldn't just take one of the many 738's that seemingly sits idle on a daily basis in POS.

This article suggests that YYZ pax were inconvenienced to support this charter.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...PLANE-NAMED-MANDELA-235328321.html
A PLANE NAMED MANDELA

The Boeing 767-300ER jet that flew Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar to South Africa on Monday will be named the Nelson Mandela aircraft, the Prime Minister announced late yesterday in the country’s capital, Johannesburg.

A statement from Office of the Prime Minister press secretary Francis Joseph stated Persad-Bissessar said the Caribbean Airlines aircraft which took the Trinidad and Tobago and Caribbean delegations to South Africa will be named the Nelson Mandela aircraft.

The Boeing 767 aircraft is one of two such CAL jets that arrived at Piarco International Airport in 2012.

It is a wide-body jet with a capacity for 221 passengers.

It is used on the State airline’s London (England) and Toronto (Canada) routes.

aa1818 · Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:45 pm

https://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/410828088545529856

Air Caraibes orders 3 A350-1000 direct from Airbus, says will also lease 3 A350-900 from ILFC.

This carrier is really impressive. CAL should try to poach their CEO.

AA1818

Inbound · Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:22 pm

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 195):
I'm wondering seeing as though they had to stop anyway, they couldn't just take one of the many 738's that seemingly sits idle on a daily basis in POS.

The flight didn't stop as the media stated. It was direct, non-stop 12:45 hours flight time POS-JNB.
Even with a fuel stop, the 737 would have been inappropriate as they are non-ETOPS. The crews aren't trans-Atlantic current, and the satellite phones on the 767 would have definitely been an asset on this random flight.

2travel2know2 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:04 am

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 194):
Thanks for the info. I read that they were stopping in Rio for a refuelling stop. I was wondering whether the 763 couldn't do POS to Joburg without a refuelling stop?

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 194):
I'm wondering seeing as though they had to stop anyway, they couldn't just take one of the many 738's that seemingly sits idle on a daily basis in POS.

Even with ETOPS, GIG might not be a good fuel stop if flying between POS and JNB.

POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) JNB (26°08'01"S 28°14'32"E) 115.7° (SE) 6516 mi
2 segment path: 7054 mi (+8.3%)
POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) GIG (22°48'32"S 43°14'37"W) 152.0° (SE) 2603 mi
GIG (22°48'32"S 43°14'37"W) JNB (26°08'01"S 28°14'32"E) 109.1° (E) 4451 mi
2 segment path: 6524 mi (+0.1%)
POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) FOR (3°46'35"S 38°31'57"W) 121.0° (SE) 1855 mi
FOR (3°46'35"S 38°31'57"W) JNB (26°08'01"S 28°14'32"E) 116.7° (SE) 4669 mi
2 segment path: 6542 mi (+0.4%)
POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) REC (8°07'36"S 34°55'23"W) 124.3° (SE) 2228 mi
REC (8°07'36"S 34°55'23"W) JNB (26°08'01"S 28°14'32"E) 115.2° (SE) 4315 mi
3 segment path: 7701 mi (+18.2%)
POS (10°35'43"N 61°20'14"W) REC (8°07'36"S 34°55'23"W) 124.3° (SE) 2228 mi
REC (8°07'36"S 34°55'23"W) ACC (5°36'19"N 0°10'00"W) 69.6° (E) 2577 mi
ACC (5°36'19"N 0°10'00"W) JNB (26°08'01"S 28°14'32"E) 140.2° (SE) 2897 mi

Notice which are the shortest routes and the 2 stop more likely BW B738 ETOPS friendly route.

caribbean484 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:32 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 198):

Well that you be true if CAL used ETOPS90 they have 120 plus 15%

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