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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:19 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
no way for the Crazy About Rugby. The application is across, what, 7-8 aircraft?

I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
They can't even stick to consistency with a supposedly one-off (or 7-off) special livery?
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
Qantas had the least variations, likely reflecting the professionalism of their marketing peeps and the value they place on brand consistency.

Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):The general public don't care what different liveries airlines have, as long as it says the airlines name then that is all that mattersThis "general public" you speak of... they/it told you when now? If that was true, airline liveries would not exist and all you'd have would be variations of airline names across the fuselage.

Customers know an airline when they see the general livery, ie tail design lined up against other airlines. How would you know what aircraft was with what airline from a distance? Livery is also about advertising your brand, a small error like a slightly thicker line isn't going to harm your branding or make customers think your unprofessional.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:54 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
Um, because you care? Because presumably someone is paid to make sure this doesn't happen, as a professional? Because the use of the koru - which I believe NZ negotiated correct application of with local iwi - is culturally sensitive? Because you've paid someone to apply it correctly and if they haven't, they should either fix or pay for the error? Because it's branding/marketing 101?

Totally agree on that.

I think it shows overall the confusion of the airline and not really knowing what they want to be. Market experimentation is all well and good but sometimes as a customer Air New Zealand leaves me a bit confused. Their multiple livery variations are really just the visual manifestation of that.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

I don't think it's that they are unprofessional, perhaps a case of trying too hard to be all things to all people. Which is understandable for a small monopoly carrier. But their messaging becomes confused.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:07 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

Why do you ask the question as if such an utterance is akin to swearing in church? Few of us would brand from a distance any stranger or group as unequivocally unprofessional. But I would have no hesitation in stating that the marketing dept. have shown episodes of astonishingly poor judgement (Ricco); the lack of a consistent product brand, the advertising aimed at one demographic (under 30's with an IQ to match)........these are all examples of how the professionalism is not as high as it could be.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
your unprofessional

    
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
The whole world of branding, of which a livery is a part, is about the most minute of details that "the general public", apparently, don't notice

Completely correct, and also marketing 101. It needs to appeal on a level we can only dimly perceive, if at all. And familiarity (aka consistency) is paramount.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:08 am

Quoting SelandiaBaru (Reply 51):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?
I don't think it's that they are unprofessional, perhaps a case of trying too hard to be all things to all people. Which is understandable for a small monopoly carrier. But their messaging becomes confused.

How are they trying to be "all things to all people" in regards to their livery? Sure that can be said for the annoying short haul Tasman/Pacific offerings but I can't see how it can be said in regards to the livery. Yes there are a few different aircraft parts out there but people seem to forget that NZ is currently moving to two official liveries, with some special livery designs.

Some people here really believe that the general flying public really care if something is different between aircraft A and B. All the flying public care about is getting from point A to point B and they don't care if an ATRs nacelles are black compared to white.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:12 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

There is also one of the new 600 series ATR's painted up along with three 1900's in the black scheme, so 7 aircraft in total I believe.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:34 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

Nope, there are at least 2 B1900Ds in the All Blacks livery.

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 48):
Looks like this the first long haul flight for this particular 787 (B-2727). Just saw it fly overhead heading towards the harbour bridge and the city. Looks magnificent.

Indeed, it looked spectacular.

So that made for 2 firsts for AKL this weekend; the first being the EK 77F - the first 777F in New Zealand




And the beautiful China Southern 787.

http://www.nickyoungphotos.com/Photos/Aviation/NewZealand/i-ZS22MTb/0/L/IMG_0962postlrbig-L.jpg

Click on the photo to see more 787 shots from today.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:32 am

Quoting gytr31 (Reply 54):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D
There is also one of the new 600 series ATR's painted

Forgot about that one.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D
Nope, there are at least 2 B1900Ds in the All Blacks livery.

2 1900Ds? I thought they only had one painted with the other two planned put on hold?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:44 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 56):
2 1900Ds? I thought they only had one painted with the other two planned put on hold?

ZK-EAG and EAK. Not gonna bother with photos as they're hidden among thousands of plane photos over the last few months.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:23 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
the first being the EK 77F - the first 777F in New Zealand

Will this be a regular service. If so what frequency. Anyone know what its inbound and outbound stops were?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):

I think the walkback after the initial 'black tail' livery was introduced was informative. There was disquiet amongst both the public and the staff about it. The NZTE silver fern addition seems to be a hasty remedy.

I think many of the flying public are more astute than some people give them credit for. Some people are quite observant, they notice things. Like others have said, if it didn't matter then all aircraft would be white fuselages with a standard font and maybe a logo on the tail. But the aesthetic matters as it speaks to something deeper (and that's what they want after all). It's no different than branding in any other industry.

By the way, I have nothing against special liveries in general.

[Edited 2013-10-28 06:40:18]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

I can only go by what I, a humble yet oddly alluring member of the great unwashed (aka the "general public") sees - the livery being it, really. And it's a bit of a mess. So what else could I conclude? I'm not a plane spotter and yet I've noticed all these variations from just sitting at the gate, idling away the time.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

Wasn't it 3 B1900s and 1 ATR too?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):
Some people here really believe that the general flying public really care if something is different between aircraft A and B. All the flying public care about is getting from point A to point B and they don't care if an ATRs nacelles are black compared to white.

Again with the general public. Why do you presume to speak on their/its behalf? How do you know? Why can Delta and multiple other mega carriers get it right across massive and hugely diverse fleets, yet NZ continues to stumble? Remarkable, really. NZ is often so good on the soft product... it would be nice (if not just simply professional) to see it reflected on their exteriors too.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
So that made for 2 firsts for AKL this weekend; the first being the EK 77F - the first 777F in New Zealand

Good catch. Looks A310-esque in that picture.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:27 pm

Quoting SelandiaBaru (Reply 59):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):
I think the walkback after the initial 'black tail' livery was introduced was informative. There was disquiet amongst both the public and the staff about it. The NZTE silver fern addition seems to be a hasty remedy.

Yes when the black tail was introduced it was ugly and went way beyond what New Zealand means as a country. How does black represent our country? There are some country's that black fits perfectly with, but certainly not this country.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 60):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D
Wasn't it 3 B1900s and 1 ATR too?

Appears to be 1x 77W, 2x 320, 1x ATR and 2x 1900D, so 6 total 'rugby' designs. We need to remember that the 'rugby' design is now one of the official two liveries NZ have introduced.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 60):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):Some people here really believe that the general flying public really care if something is different between aircraft A and B. All the flying public care about is getting from point A to point B and they don't care if an ATRs nacelles are black compared to white.
Again with the general public. Why do you presume to speak on their/its behalf? How do you know?

Weren't we all 'general public' before we started learning more and more about aviation? We all have friends and family who are 'general public' and they are certainly a great help in knowing what they understand. Observing people at airports and their knowledge also allows us to understand more
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:10 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 58):
Will this be a regular service. If so what frequency. Anyone know what its inbound and outbound stops were?

Nope, one off to bring some helicopters down, supposedly for oil exploration. Came in from SYD and departed for HKG, as I think the flight usually does SYD-HKG.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 60):
Good catch. Looks A310-esque in that picture.

Thanks. Haha, I think it looks like a 777-200.  
Quoting 777ER (Reply 61):
We need to remember that the 'rugby' design is now one of the official two liveries NZ have introduced.

No it's not.. It's a rejig of the other new livery currently on OXB. The two official liveries both have that stupid TNZ silver fern, not the sports silver fern.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:23 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
Indeed, it looked spectacular.

Excellent pictures 
BTW, that FX MD11 in the background seems to be 'stuck' in AKL since it's arrival on sunday evening. Anyone know what the situation is with this aircraft?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:28 pm

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 63):
Anyone know what the situation is with this aircraft?

Went tech, now I see it about half an hr out of AKL on its way to SYD on FR.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:33 am

Anyone know whats happening with ZK-SUH at CHC today? Appears to be doing circuits on FlightAware and FlightRadar..... Odd as the 747's hardly ever go to Christchurch.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKSUH
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 65):

Flight crew training for NH; it's down there for a week. Strange enough as it is, they just sent their Pokemon jet to the scrapyard.. Surely they could have used that/surely the 744 and 744D are under the same rating..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:16 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Flight crew training for NH; it's down there for a week. Strange enough as it is, they just sent their Pokemon jet to the scrapyard.. Surely they could have used that/surely the 744 and 744D are under the same rating..

Quite regularly see NH crew in CHC
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:20 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 62):
Thanks. Haha, I think it looks like a 777-200.  

Well true. I guess it's just the GE engines on the 772 that we don't get much/any of in New Zealand. Love the GEs on those birds, purely from an aesthetic perspective - so ridiculously big and over the top that they're bootiful.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 68):
I guess it's just the GE engines on the 772 that we don't get much/any of in New Zealand. Love the GEs on those birds, purely from an aesthetic perspective - so ridiculously big and over the top that they're bootiful.

     
GE have always done aesthetics far better than RR. I remember I was disappointed in the 742 days to see RR engines on our birds - horrible small bulbous looking unpolished aluminum things:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...d=49d9cbbd0f19f406ab237b8a35e831b5

Compared to the GE offering at the time:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...d=d601b4fbd0831ca2a5895b0fd1511d8a
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 68):
Well true. I guess it's just the GE engines on the 772 that we don't get much/any of in New Zealand. Love the GEs on those birds, purely from an aesthetic perspective - so ridiculously big and over the top that they're bootiful.

Yeah, exactly. EK only operated the 77L to AKL for maybe 3 months while they waited for another A380 to take the flight to daily. And since then, we've never had a 77L/77F in NZ. Those engines are fantastic.

Quoting gasman (Reply 69):
GE have always done aesthetics far better than RR. I remember I was disappointed in the 742 days to see RR engines on our birds - horrible small bulbous looking unpolished aluminum things:

On Boeings, yes.. Especially the RB211s on the 744! I actually like the silver engines on the 742/3. And compare these to the JT9s which were on the 741.. But RR did a wonderful job with the Trents on the A345/6, especially in comparison to the hairdryers.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:25 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 70):
On Boeings, yes.. Especially the RB211s on the 744! I actually like the silver engines on the 742/3. And compare these to the JT9s which were on the 741.. But RR did a wonderful job with the Trents on the A345/6, especially in comparison to the hairdryers.

I always loved the GEs on the 767, 744s and MD11s. Stubby engines always looked off to me, hence my dislike (of the look of) the RB211s and the PW4000s. Nowadays it's harder to spot a visual difference - the 777s are all GE now (which is great), the A350 will be all RR, the 787 and A380 engines are indistinguishable, as far as I can tell. There's still the A330 where, again, I prefer the GE look, and I'm undecided on the A320CEO fleets between CFM and IAE. Not sure how that's going to change on the NEOs, but hopefully they'll have a different look.

There... how off-topic can you get? Though I'm sure this all relates to New Zealand aviation... somehow  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:45 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
the 777s are all GE now

Only the 77W and 77L/F are all GE.. NZ's 77Es have Trents, to name one without GEs (in fact, a lot of 772/77E/773 models don't have GE engines). But as we move on in time, only the 77W/L/F/X will exist.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
There... how off-topic can you get? Though I'm sure this all relates to New Zealand aviation... somehow

Haha. NZ has had these types (742, 744, 77E, 77W). There, it ties in  
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
Stubby engines always looked off to me

      As well as the unfinished look with panels everywhere giving them the look of something cobbled together in a high school metalwork class...... talking about the RB2-11's here...........

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
There... how off-topic can you get? Though I'm sure this all relates to New Zealand aviation... somehow

............. which NZ was forced to acquire for the 742's, as an EU "engines for butter" trade deal. Otherwise they would've chosen GE's, as maintenance was already tooled for them, having been used on the DC-10's.

Totally ties in!  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:35 am

Anyone able to fill us in on Uzbekistan Airways 763 (VP-BUE) that arrived from KUL into CHC a couple of days ago? Was it here for maintenance or some kind of official visit.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:45 am

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 74):
Anyone able to fill us in on Uzbekistan Airways 763 (VP-BUE) that arrived from KUL into CHC a couple of days ago? Was it here for maintenance or some kind of official visit.

Charter to swap out deep sea fishing crews.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:19 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Strange enough as it is, they just sent their Pokemon jet to the scrapyard.. Surely they could have used that/surely the 744 and 744D are under the same rating..

The 2 NH 744 machines at TUP are already well on the way to being broken up - Pokemon jet already engines off and being gutted after just a few days. I photographed them both today. They are joined by our old friend in this part of the world DQ-FJL who is likely now just a few days from the wrecking machine. She's up on blocks and robbed of all valuable parts.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:12 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 73):
............ which NZ was forced to acquire for the 742's, as an EU "engines for butter" trade deal. Otherwise they would've chosen GE's, as maintenance was already tooled for them, having been used on the DC-10's.

Interesting, I didn't know this. I wonder what drove the selection for the 744s. Probably the experience with RR and existing maintenance capabilities, but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 72):
Haha. NZ has had these types (742, 744, 77E, 77W). There, it ties in  

Smooth  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:48 am

Does anyone know what the series of NZ A320 CHC-VLI-CHC flights over the past week have been in aid of? I think I've seen about 2 return flights so far with another scheduled for tomorrow morning.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:49 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
Interesting, I didn't know this.

And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s... Imagine how different NZ would be if they had them flying around now (or maybe they would have been scrapped by now too)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:17 am

Runway extension needed for new Masterton service


A replacement air service for the soon to be axed Air New Zealand link between Masterton and Auckland could be up and running early in the new year.

However, considerable investment from the council and community is likely to be required.

Wairarapa MP John Hayes says the two suppliers that are being looked at both operate bigger plans than those used by Air NZ subsidiary Eagle Air for the Masterton to Auckland service.

In order to fly in and out of Masterton the runway would need to be extended nearly 200 metres to 1400m and also made an additional three metres wide to 30m.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...n-needed-for-new-Masterton-service

Interesting that MRO believe they can make a service with a bigger aircraft work and justify spending more millions extending the runway. If NZ couldn't make a 1900D service work then how could a bigger aircraft work? Only service providers I can think of are Air Works (F27-500?) and Vincent with a Dash-8 or maybe just a J32?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:22 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):

Wouldn't be surprised if the A346 was offered with a A330/350 deal. A330 replacement for the B763s till the A350s arrive. IMHO an A346 fleet would be like the B744 fleet currently is, slowing getting smaller with every B77W that arrives. Instead of just saying goodbye to the B744 fleet right now, we would also be saying goodbye to an A346 fleet
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:13 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 81):
Wouldn't be surprised if the A346 was offered with a A330/350 deal.

This was before the 787 was offered so there'd have been no mention of a thing called the A350 back then.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:37 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s... Imagine how different NZ would be if they had them flying around now (or maybe they would have been scrapped by now too)
Quoting 777ER (Reply 81):
Wouldn't be surprised if the A346 was offered with a A330/350 deal. A330 replacement for the B763s till the A350s arrive. IMHO an A346 fleet would be like the B744 fleet currently is, slowing getting smaller with every B77W that arrives. Instead of just saying goodbye to the B744 fleet right now, we would also be saying goodbye to an A346 fleet

If NZ ordered the 343 instead of the 77E, then the 346 would have a better chance. It doesn't make much sense to have 77E and 346. If NZ has both 343 and 346, I can't see they get replaced quickly as the cost of switching to 77W would be high.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:40 am

Quoting cchan (Reply 83):
If NZ ordered the 343 instead of the 77E, then the 346 would have a better chance. It doesn't make much sense to have 77E and 346. If NZ has both 343 and 346, I can't see they get replaced quickly as the cost of switching to 77W would be high.

NZ may have well ordered the A345/6 instead of the 77E, rather than have both the 343 and 346.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:18 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s

The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s

This worked because of ETOPS considerations of the 767-300ER . They could run the engines so many hours on the 767 and finish their on wing life on the 744 before overhaul.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:06 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

Probably a bit of a combination between that and growth, like what the 77Es provided - as they obviously wouldn't have bought both.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 76):
They are joined by our old friend in this part of the world DQ-FJL who is likely now just a few days from the wrecking machine. She's up on blocks and robbed of all valuable parts.

Did you manage to get any pics that you can share?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:04 am

"Auckland's $2.4 billion airport of the future"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11150108

Sort of just digs up what we already know. But at least it's good to see SOME progress even if there is not commitments to any new builds yet.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:08 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 88):
"Auckland's $2.4 billion airport of the future"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...50108

The rail link is an interesting one as the trip to Auckland airport is such a drag. How many passengers make the rail linkk viable I wonder?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:42 am

Now that the FAA have approved gate to gate electronic use of Ipads, Ipods, note books and digital readers, New Zealand's CAA is now looking at allowing it also

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/9...gers-on-US-flights-can-use-gadgets

While this new rule wouldn't be of any use to aviation nerds during the take off sector with the roaring engine sounds, it will certainly be especially nice for Family's with children. About time the rules are changed to better reflect the improvements in aviation safety
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:12 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 88):

Interesting. I just wish they started already; especially on expanding the new international pier.


http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webconte...t/document/pdf/201344/airport1.pdf

That's the whole thing.. Page 30 is quite amusing. Perth is near Broome... And I don't know why this whole thing is based on a link with Guangzhou... But weirdly there's no photo like the one on the NZ Herald article.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:47 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 91):
Page 30 is quite amusing. Perth is near Broome..

I liked that map - LOL - and the page headed Ambition 2020 is fun too, because it says they plan to grow to 4 million arrivals by 2020. I thought we'd already passed that by some measure.

The Herald reports the number as 40 million by 2020.  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:54 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s

This worked because of ETOPS considerations of the 767-300ER . They could run the engines so many hours on the 767 and finish their on wing life on the 744 before overhaul.

VS had a factory fresh A346 on display when I was at the Farnborough Airshow back in 2002, it was so big close up!

Apparently Qantas did the same with the ex BA 767-336 machines and their RR engines.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:23 am

What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.

[Edited 2013-11-01 19:29:29]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:16 am

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 87):

Yes I took a few of most of the stuff there. However im away still so maybe not until I get back to NZ
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:08 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 91):

Interesting. I just wish they started already; especially on expanding the new international pier.

Me too, I really like the plan, but for so many years it has been just that. The second runway was tantalysingly close, then wham, off, just like that, it might not have made financial sense back then, but a single runway airport just leaves too little room for breathing space IMO. Just think about today when that aircraft left the runway, other aircraft had to circle and divert, maybe if the main taxiway was still commissioned as a runway the impact of such things would be less significant. Or if the second runway had been completed for small aircraft to land on, the larger traffic would not have been affected as much.

Another thing that I fear about the expansion project is that it could be diluted by slowly picking things off, until it ends up as simply slapping on another pier to the international terminal. I guess time will tell, but for the meantime we will have to put up with all this talk and not much walk.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:24 am

Peter Jackson has a new Gulfstream G650. This will be his third one, after a G450 and a G550. As ever, it is registered ZK-KFB. Nice plane. 
Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 65):

Anyone know whats happening with ZK-SUH at CHC today? Appears to be doing circuits on FlightAware and FlightRadar
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Flight crew training for NH

Sounds expensive. I think they used to do that up at Moses Lake, WA, USA.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s

....If only. Would have looked amazing in the Pacific Wave livery.   

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 95):
Yes I took a few of most of the stuff there. However im away still so maybe not until I get back to NZ

I'd love to see some.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.
Quoting Glasgow (Reply 96):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.

I'm told it was a Vincent Aviation Jetstream 31. Has since been towed back to the gate/ramp/hangar.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Part 136

Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:14 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s

The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

It was a decision between the A346 or the 77W for the 744 replacement wan't it? There's a very large A340-600 model on display at the old Fonterra building at AKL airport in NZ colors. Great looking airplane.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s

This worked because of ETOPS considerations of the 767-300ER . They could run the engines so many hours on the 767 and finish their on wing life on the 744 before overhaul.

No expert, and not necessarily the only reason, but NZ were on record as saying the performance of the GE engines were superior to the RR engines on longer flights.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 98):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.
Quoting Glasgow (Reply 96):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.

I'm told it was a Vincent Aviation Jetstream 31. Has since been towed back to the gate/ramp/hangar.


It's a J32. Ex ZK-ECN so a long history in this part of the world.
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