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AA To PRG?

Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:53 pm

Heard a crazy talk at ORD today that AA was looking at PRG from JFK and ORD for next summer. Chances?
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:08 am

I can't see it, does not seem like an AA type of destination. It is a leisure heavy, summer only type of market, I believe DL is currently operating PRG as summer only.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:22 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):

Heard a crazy talk at ORD today that AA was looking at PRG from JFK and ORD for next summer. Chances?


That rumor is going around AA internally as well.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:25 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):
Heard a crazy talk at ORD today that AA was looking at PRG from JFK and ORD for next summer. Chances?
Quoting chepos (Reply 1):
I can't see it, does not seem like an AA type of destination. It is a leisure heavy, summer only type of market, I believe DL is currently operating PRG as summer only.

If they're going to do PRG, may as well be the summer. If AA has the lift to do it, anybody can make money to PRG with liesure traffic. It's a great destination with miserable yields.
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:29 am

I guess i could see summer only. Probably an easy fill if they need somewhere they need to put the plane and think theres potential. I know delta has or maybe still do operate summer only jfk-prg?
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:36 am

That would be cool, I dont see both ORD and JFK. More like just JFK. Beautiful city!
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:04 am

Prague is a huge up and coming tourist destination. I was just there 2 weeks ago and was incredibly surprised to see so many Americans still muddling around the city. I would have thought all the tourist traffic would leave by early September; apparently that's not the case.

My only concern for these flight would be filling up the front seats. I'm simply uncertain about the amount of business travel between these cities.

Also, would it be strange to launch a new destination from 2 cities(JFK & ORD)? When was the last time something like this happened?

Regardless, this would be a fantastic add from a non-business perspective.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:27 am

JFK-PRG would certainly be a curveball. It's heavy SkyTeam territory, yet DL can't sustain a year-round flight there. However, it would be a great new route if it does end up materializing.
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:34 am

AA Europe expansion for S14 should be announced by early November, if any.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:57 am

huge eastern european population out of ORD, could make connecting traffic work, although AA has no Eastern European partner at PRG.
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:26 am

Truthfully, after the HKG announcement, anything seems possible now.

If true, Horton is doing big things in 2014. Is he getting the feeling that the merger is on life support and its time to plan for AA going solo.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 7):
JFK-PRG would certainly be a curveball. It's heavy SkyTeam territory

I fail to see how PRG is "heavy ST territory" when *A and OW(to a lesser degree) have prague based carriers and ST doesn't.

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 9):
although AA has no Eastern European partner at PRG.

Technically, thats not true.HG(AB) hubs in PRG, however, there are no connections to SZG, INN, or LNZ.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:00 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):
I fail to see how PRG is "heavy ST territory" when *A and OW(to a lesser degree) have prague based carriers and ST doesn't.

What? Are you forgetting that PRG is home to OK, a Skyteam member?

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):
Technically, thats not true.HG(AB) hubs in PRG, however, there are no connections to SZG, INN, or LNZ.

I don't think AB even flies to PRG, let alone operates a hub there.

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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:33 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
What? Are you forgetting that PRG is home to OK, a Skyteam member?
Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
I don't think AB even flies to PRG, let alone operates a hub there.

Ok, that was a classic example of posting with a severe lack of sleep. I was mistakenly thinking VIE. Time for rest.   
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:42 am

Is JFK-PRG a stretch for the 757?

Either way, I certainly hope that AA continues to expand in Europe. I would love to have more destination choices on my favorite airline.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:50 am

I dont know for ORD, JFK might work in the Summer... AA never Challenged WAW, that would be the only second airline from Poland to US...

Did they ever consider? Chicago and New York operated by LO only.....
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:55 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 8):
AA Europe expansion for S14 should be announced by early November, if any.

Any ideas where their expansion might take them ?

What did AA have mentioned as routes on their expansion pdf's shown to pilots ??
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:01 pm

We're always receiving inquiries about gate availability for flights and this year was no exception from both hub carriers and several others. I don't read into them asking.
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:11 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 16):

Any hints/rumors you can share?
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:27 pm

Quoting LO231 (Reply 14):

I dont know for ORD, JFK might work in the Summer... AA never Challenged WAW, that would be the only second airline from Poland to US...

Did they ever consider? Chicago and New York operated by LO only.....

With the huge Polish population and their relative affluence in Chicago, you would think AA would easily be able to fill at least a 763 ORD-WAW daily. It's rather curious as to why they've never started that route. Likewise for UA.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 13):
Is JFK-PRG a stretch for the 757?

JFK-PRG is right on the outer edge of the 757's range capability and it may be a tad bit long for AA's particular flavor of 757. ORD is a non-starter with the 757.

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 6):

Prague is a huge up and coming tourist destination. I was just there 2 weeks ago and was incredibly surprised to see so many Americans still muddling around the city. I would have thought all the tourist traffic would leave by early September; apparently that's not the case.

My only concern for these flight would be filling up the front seats. I'm simply uncertain about the amount of business travel between these cities.

The great thing about Prague is it's cheap and it was relatively untouched by WW2, thus the architecture is amazing.

I'm skeptical AA could make this work year round. Seasonally during the summer busy season for sure, but when the leisure traffic drops off during the winter, I'm not convinced there's enough business traffic to support the route. DL couldn't make it work year round with an alliance partner(OK) and feed on both ends, so I'm not sure what AA's plan here is.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:31 pm

I am not sure about this... how would they expect to feed the Europe side? Except for BA to LON, OW is basically nonexistant in Prague. As leisure only I guess it would be possible, but would it be enough to sustain a link?
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 15):
Any ideas where their expansion might take them ?

What did AA have mentioned as routes on their expansion pdf's shown to pilots ??

I have no idea what's planned other than MIAMAN is looking likely for winter 2014.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 18):
With the huge Polish population and their relative affluence in Chicago, you would think AA would easily be able to fill at least a 763 ORD-WAW daily. It's rather curious as to why they've never started that route. Likewise for UA.

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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:01 pm

I don't think AA will start JFK-PRG...

1. They don't have the right plane for it - using a 762 might be too big of a plane, yet 757 does not have the range.
2. They should continue to leveraging BA, which has 4x daily flight to PRG from LHR. (Passenger don't even have to change terminals at LHR if they arrive with AA @ T3)
3. They have other priorities - I think they will try to fly to more cities in Asia before thinking about PRG.
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:02 pm

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With the huge Polish population and their relative affluence in Chicago, you would think AA would easily be able to fill at least a 763 ORD-WAW daily. It's rather curious as to why they've never started that route. Likewise for UA.

They did. American flew ORD WAW in the mid-90s. It didn't last very long.
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 6):
Prague is a huge up and coming tourist destination. I was just there 2 weeks ago and was incredibly surprised to see so many Americans still muddling around the city. I would have thought all the tourist traffic would leave by early September; apparently that's not the case.

My only concern for these flight would be filling up the front seats. I'm simply uncertain about the amount of business travel between these cities.

Also, would it be strange to launch a new destination from 2 cities(JFK & ORD)? When was the last time something like this happened?

Regardless, this would be a fantastic add from a non-business perspective.

Agreed, but it's not the screaming bargain it was pre-Euro. We first went in 2000 or so, and were just blown away by the architecture, river, people and PRICES! Not so much the latter any more!  
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting LO231 (Reply 14):
I dont know for ORD, JFK might work in the Summer... AA never Challenged WAW, that would be the only second airline from Poland to US...

Did they ever consider? Chicago and New York operated by LO only.....
AA has not challenged many airlines outside of the UK and Spain lately. I would love to see them go to WAW. They do not fly anywhere East except seasonal to HEL. If they are going to fly to Eastern Europe I would think PRG and WAW would be good picks. Or try DME again now that S7 is in OW, but connections get tough there without a visa if you are not transiting to another Russian destination and will need one anyway.

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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:42 pm

I would think a return to DME from ORD would have a higher priority than PRG.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:49 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 25):
I would think a return to DME from ORD would have a higher priority than PRG.

I would like to see this also. Evidently it did not do well last time but with S7 maybe they will try again.
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 18):
JFK-PRG is right on the outer edge of the 757's range capability and it may be a tad bit long for AA's particular flavor of 757. ORD is a non-starter with the 757.

I think NW used to do DTW-FRA with a 757 sometimes around 2007-2008, which seems to be a bit longer than JFK-PRG. But maybe those 757s were a bit different than what AA has.

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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:47 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 25):
I would think a return to DME from ORD would have a higher priority than PRG.
Quoting user444555 (Reply 26):
I would like to see this also. Evidently it did not do well last time but with S7 maybe they will try again.

The route was a laughing stock. They had S7 last time it was flown. I flew it at a time when there were only 40 people on the plane and 5 of those were in business.

Overall, I would really love to see AA do more with ORD-Europe. Its a market they have let slip away from them while UA fills in the blanks. Destinations like OSL, BHX, or a seasonal ATH would be thinking outside the box. However, ORD-DME needs to be let go. Its not a workable route.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:02 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 28):
The route was a laughing stock. They had S7 last time it was flown. I flew it at a time when there were only 40 people on the plane and 5 of those were in business.

Overall, I would really love to see AA do more with ORD-Europe. Its a market they have let slip away from them while UA fills in the blanks. Destinations like OSL, BHX, or a seasonal ATH would be thinking outside the box. However, ORD-DME needs to be let go. Its not a workable route.

They might have code shared with S7, but they did not join OW until 2010 and I think the ORD DME route was gone by then. I am not sure when they stopped flying it. They also used a 772, I heard because of Russian authorities would not allow a 763, but I don't know why or if that is correct or if that could be changed by some action on AA's part. There are quite a few Russians in the ORD area but probably more Polish people. Someone mentioned AA's ORD WAW was not successful either back in the '90s.

US flies to ATH, so AA may someday fly that. I went there last year and as much as I love Northern Europe, the architecture there is spectacular. I notice you are from Lebanon. I would love to go there also. US flies to TLV, but I have heard tourists cannot cross the border and if you fly into BEI and have visited TLV, you will have problems also. Do you know if this is correct?

I would love to see both places. There is another thread on here that said AA owes TLV money from when they took over TW and may have to stop that route if merged. I hope they can keep it. I disagree with those who say US brings nothing to AA. US will double AA's European destinations. AA can fly them on their own, but if they fly them from JFK or ORD they will face stiff competition from DL and UA. Parker has repeatedly said US's European routes are very profitable from PHL, so US will bring something of great value post-merger. This might also allow AA to expand the more profitable routes with service to other hubs?
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:11 pm

Quoting Jano (Reply 27):
I think NW used to do DTW-FRA with a 757 sometimes around 2007-2008, which seems to be a bit longer than JFK-PRG. But maybe those 757s were a bit different than what AA has.

Didn't CO/UA have many diversions on their IAD-CDG and EWR -TXL flight when it was a 757?
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 25):

would love to see that happen, think they can make it work, if they have the right base and advertising in ORD.
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:17 pm

user444555,

AA initially used a 777 on the Moscow DME route because their 763's had a technical limitation in which it COULD NOT read altitude in meters/metric. Their 777 always could due to their trans-Pacific route structure to Japan/China and now Korea which sometimes transits Russian Far East airspace.

I believe a 763 was later used after AA added the necessary software on the 763.

This was a purely technical/engineering problem, not a restricted whatsoever by the authorities.
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:14 pm

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Overall, I would really love to see AA do more with ORD-Europe. Its a market they have let slip away from them while UA fills in the blanks.

I would as well. In their heyday in the 1990s early 2000s, ORD was AA's gateway to Europe. A look back at Su 2001, AA flew ORD to: ARN, BHX, BRU, CDG, FCO, FRA, GLA, LHR, MAN, MXP, ZRH
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:25 pm

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):
Heard a crazy talk at ORD today that AA was looking at PRG from JFK and ORD for next summer. Chances?

It will be one or the other, or none of the above; PRG is not large enough a market to suddenly add flights to two cities. AA will have a hard enough time operating to PRG from JFK, ORD will be a disaster. See DME on a worse scale for reference...

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RE: AA To PRG?

Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:34 pm

Hard to imagine when compared to how little Europe ORD sees today on AA
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting flyinghippo (Reply 21):
2. They should continue to leveraging BA, which has 4x daily flight to PRG from LHR. (Passenger don't even have to change terminals at LHR if they arrive with AA @ T3)

If an AA flight to PRG started I think it would be because having run the figures (and with BA/AA being metal neutral for USA-EU flights) they believe there is the demand there, even if only for a seasonal flight.
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 13):
Either way, I certainly hope that AA continues to expand in Europe. I would love to have more destination choices on my favorite airline.
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:15 pm

ORD-WAW makes much more sense to me than ORD-PRG, among other reasons being
a) there is no OneWorld partner for onward connections from PRG
b) Chicago still has a huge Polish community, presence of people with Czech roots in what once used to be "their" districts like Cicero and Berwyn has been reduced significantly in the past decades.
c) Poland is a market of 40 million, Czech Rep. of barely 10
d) WAW is much more important business destination than PRG

There have been rumors on Czech aviation servers that with the return of OK to long hauls DL offered them they would pass the PRG-JFK service to their hardware under the condition OK will guarantee to run it all-year-round, interestingly enough something DL is not able to achieve themselves at the moment. PRG has gone from JFK all year round and ATL seasonal not too many years ago down to current JFK seasonal.
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Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 35):
Hard to imagine when compared to how little Europe ORD sees today on AA
LHR, CDG, MAN, DUB (seasonal), DUS, FCO (seasonal), HEL (seasonal)

In the off season (the winter), AA sends more people to Europe from DFW than ORD.
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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:21 am

AA never flew ORD-WAW. It was similar to AMS, announced, but never started.
 
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Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:26 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 40):

Thanks, up to 1995 I lived in WAW, I wouldnt miss AA coming... Was at the airport practically everyday, AA never opened an office there neither I believe...

I just watched DL, after PA, rebranding the office and firstly coming with two flights to FRA , one direct beginning in LED via WAW, another beginning in WAW via PRG.. Both 727, which was my last flight on the bird... Afterwards DL tried 310 operations to JFK via TXL...

But AA, I think LO needs competition, at least to ORD, if not JFK, before UA realizes that there's a void on EWR which LO discontinued... I think NJ area has potential for Poles too... If not, it was my preferred airport even if stayed in Manhattan, found transport easier than JFK...

Slightly off topic, just trying to comprehend why would AA go to PRG with smaller business market... Dont know much about yields, but LO has 2 daily year round flights to JFK on certainly days, ORD one... And its difficult to get seats even in both premium classes....

Anyway, good luck AA, and as for BRU, give us our ORD connection back! Lol.
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Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:56 am

As mentioned, Prague-JFK is sadly seasonal a year now, with DL flying its B763. Only a 18 months (or a bit more), there was a daily DL flight from JFK (flown with mainly 763 and for a while with A333) and ATL seasonal with a 763

Czech Airlines mentioned that their service plans will concentrate on Asia as well as CIS countries. They are working closely with Korean as Prague wants to be their "gate" into Europe. They demented that they would open flights with own metal as OK should get 2 more A330s soon. But again, Czech Airlines always came out with new "routes" at the last moment.

In the lat couple of "Interviews" with Czech Airlines, I have noticed -between the lines- of their openness to start code sharing with anyone and anywhere that would make sense to them. However talking to AA would probably upset DL as a partner?

AA has good partners (OW) through BA but I understand the interest in transferring pax away from those mega hubs that is choked up. Even KE's decision to take the stake in OK was dressing up PRG as a nice mid sized airport to make transfer easier, faster as well as more "human" in terms of comfort. AA and OW sadly lost Malev and an airline in the region. AB is a great airline but I admit I have never thought of them as a full fare airline and PRG doesn't seem to be interesting as they have no flights to the Czech Capital. Air Berlin planes are seen at the airport quite a lot but that is because Czech Airlines Technics does the maintenance and checks.

Orlando was announced by the Czech Charter airlines (or perhaps Miami) but cancelled before it ever started. Partly because of not having long haul planes and interest from travel agencies. Tourism in the Czech Republic is healthy and when it it comes to business then there isn't that much between the CZE and USA. Mostly all Czech business activity is with Europe and now more and more with Asia.

So I gather that Delta and OK's code sgare flights to JFK is sufficient (even if I noticed a visible increase of ticket prices). The passengers are here and can fill daily flights with no problems but many airlines in Europe are able to offer great connections (a quick transfer in Europe) then directly to your destination. Lufthansa, Air France, KLM and BA are amongst the most active when it comes to catering for Czechs onwards to the USA.

I can see an all year flight reinstated soon by Delta and secretly hoping to see CSA's own planes back on American soil as well.

AA? never say never... We've seen stranger things happen. Maybe AA as well needs a more personal partner (alliance or not) in a mid sized airport that can offer good transfers...

The last new announced airlines and flights to Prague is more from countries in the region (Europe and North Africa as well as the near east. Adding KE/OK PRG-ICN increase in capacity to Daily with further developments planned.


I'll let you know if there is any gossip in Czech media or aviation threads. (This thread has been noticed on a local Czech aviation site)

Some of the info posted is the following: Thanks to Google translate I do not need to manually translate word by word even some parts are funny as the translation is wonky  http://translate.google.co.th/transl...od-953864%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D923

American Airlines is actually mentioned there as well! so go figure. Article from Feb2013. Very interesting the open and honest view of Delta and Air France that seems not to include any other partners. I am kind of glad. Small airlines always get trampled and perhaps its definitely time to go and seek "own partners" as the big boys are doing.

Local aviation lovers are as well a bit sceptical.. But would be great to see a new "tail" in PRG for sure

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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:22 pm

Quoting homobohemicus (Reply 42):
American Airlines is actually mentioned there as well!

A little off the AA to PRG topic but wouldn't it make a bit more sense for OK to look into Star if they're 'alliance shopping'? You've got Star partners in neighboring Poland (LOT), Austria (AUS) and Germany. Star seems like more of a big player in eastern Europe and could possibly offer more benefits to OK.
 
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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:52 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 28):
Overall, I would really love to see AA do more with ORD-Europe. Its a market they have let slip away from them while UA fills in the blanks.

Watching their acting in Europe and in Brazil, it seems that Brazil is being much more promising for AA and Europe for UA.
AA's number of destinations in Brazil is about to reach its number in Europe, even if competitors are adding more flights on US-Brazil routes. Still, UA is making no effort to add new routes to Brazil.
 
Homobohemicus
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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:33 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 43):

I doubt any alliance would give smaller airlines any extra importance. Star will still be LH centric and all travel would go through FRA, killing any chance for Prague to grow. One world has no real presence apart from AB but again, no chance for OK to develop. AirFrance/KLM seem to gulp all the connections through CDG and AMS. I believe that OK was good in convincing KE into a closer relationship that would ensure a more personal link, and guarantee for growth (OK as well as PRG). In one of the interviews, KE admitted -indirectly- that Prague airport was one of the deciding factors in the equation.

I do wonder (alliance or not) if AA (if the plans are are at all true) is looking for a gateway that would serve as an easier and quicker transit point to other destinations. I am not saying to back track to Western Europe but using PRG and OK to destinations in Central and Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, Near East and mainly CIS countries. No one can deny that cooperation within OW is as well strange and many airlines seek partners outside their respective alliances.

OK is already working hard in establishing an identity and a "Raison D'etre" in tackling markets that would be sustained for Prague naturally (not only transfers but O&D) and abandon the idea of being a gate for "all destinations to all other destinations via Prague". Anything else would be handled by partners and not by direct flights or own metal. Seems to me as a more down to earth and realistic approach.

So the major concentration would be Asia (seems Korea and Japan are top of the list with the highest numbers), with China and Vietnam to follow as well as the CIS countries. If you land in Prague airport today then all the airport info is already in English, Russian and Korean!
 
L410Turbolet
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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 43):
wouldn't it make a bit more sense for OK to look into Star if they're 'alliance shopping'?

I don't think anyone relevant in the airline seriously contemplates switching alliances, among other reasons: KE just bought a 44% stake in the airline earlier this year and a lot of their future plans are based on this partnership/investment.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 43):
You've got Star partners in neighboring Poland (LOT), Austria (AUS) and Germany.

Exactly. Plus not too distant Croatia, Slovenia. What business sense would it make to join Star? Their presence in the region is more than sufficent and OK would not be able to offer anything the Star does not have already in the form of OS's or LH's or LO's coverage.
Theoretically speaking OneWorld would make much more sense for OK, they could fill the void left after MA's demise.
 
user444555
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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 43):
A little off the AA to PRG topic but wouldn't it make a bit more sense for OK to look into Star if they're 'alliance shopping'? You've got Star partners in neighboring Poland (LOT), Austria (AUS) and Germany. Star seems like more of a big player in eastern Europe and could possibly offer more benefits to OK.

I would say the opposite. I would think it better to be the only or one of few alliance partners in the region and get more traffic. I recall this was the reason that MA left * but they left too late. * and Skyteam have central and Eastern Europe covered. OW could use another partner in Europe, especially a good one like OK.   Ow has good airlines in Western Europe but not much access in Central and Eastern Europe

As someone pointed out, losing MA hurt OW. I am not sure BA minds all that much and are happy to be OW's European heavyweight champ, but getting to the Balkans is difficult when I have looked because the BA flights leave early and late.

I would love to see OK or LO switch alliances or see AA fly to those cities. I have been to most major countries in Europe except Czech Republic (I have even been to Slovakia), Poland, and Portugal and I would like to go.

A side note about code-sharing in Europe. It has been my experience that some airlines will codeshare regardless of alliance. I have noticed IB codesharing with Skyteam on different occasions. I am not sure how often this happens though.
 
user444555
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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:06 pm

Quoting homobohemicus (Reply 45):
I do wonder (alliance or not) if AA (if the plans are are at all true) is looking for a gateway that would serve as an easier and quicker transit point to other destinations. I am not saying to back track to Western Europe but using PRG and OK to destinations in Central and Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, Near East and mainly CIS countries. No one can deny that cooperation within OW is as well strange and many airlines seek partners outside their respective alliances.

OK does seem to have good connections into the Balkans. Every time I look there flights come up. I would like to visit PRG soon.
 
user444555
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RE: AA To PRG?

Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:11 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 46):
Exactly. Plus not too distant Croatia, Slovenia. What business sense would it make to join Star? Their presence in the region is more than sufficent and OK would not be able to offer anything the Star does not have already in the form of OS's or LH's or LO's coverage.
Theoretically speaking OneWorld would make much more sense for OK, they could fill the void left after MA's demise.


But again the KE investment gets in the way. Although Etihad's stake in AB has not changed AB's alliance yet. I am doubtful if the EU would approve AB switching to Sky Team as they would become big from France into the Balkans.

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