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| Quoting Spike11 (Reply 49): I think your Norway-US ratio is about right, but the Swiss has at least us soundly beat, I believe... |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 43): Bingo! So why should he not kept up with the changes? |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 17): Neither do I. Someone who travels with firearms NEEDS to know the laws of the jurisdictions he passes through. |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 17): I can't. We live in the age of the Internet. You can have the pertinent laws on your screen in a couple of minutes. |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 27): he was ignorant of the process and the local laws, |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 40): red faced about the loaded firearm (inexcusable, in my opinion) |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 43): Why should NY give up their rights? Seems to me the proper thing is for people traveling with weapons respect NY's laws and travel a different way. |
| Quoting flydeltajets (Reply 13): The report that I read said the rifle had 1 round in the chamber. I think that qualifies as loaded. A firearm can only be checked if it is completely absent of ammunition and locked in a hard sided case. |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 17): I've never seen or heard of .22 custom loads, but then again, I'm not a competative target shooter. |
| Quoting bond007 (Reply 25): Yes, and he deserves everything he gets IMO |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 33): Gun free zones works by requiring an extra effort to bring in weapons. |
| Quoting Spike11 (Reply 49): I think your Norway-US ratio is about right, but the Swiss has at least us soundly beat, I believe... |
| Quoting rcair1 (Reply 52): You certainly would not be chosen for a jury. You are essentially saying, because they are weapons charges - he deserves punishment for everything he is charged of (and to what level pray tell?) |
| Quoting lewis (Reply 50): Serbia is the highest in Europe I think. Greece should not be far behind in true numbers. Registered ones, that is a different story altogether! People in Crete are known to have whole armories in their basements. |
But I think we're moving off topic here... For me, the most important aspect of this story is know the rules. They won't change just because you happen to disagree with, ignore and/or be ignorant of them.| Quoting Spike11 (Reply 54): For me, the most important aspect of this story is know the rules. They won't change just because you happen to disagree with, ignore and/or be ignorant of them. |
Nice summation| Quoting rcair1 (Reply 52): Gun free zones are typically demarked by a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" or "No guns allowed" There is no extra effort other than walking by them. I drive by a Gun Free Zone sign at a local school weekly. It is a sign by the sidewalk. What special effort is required? Many college campuses are "gun free zones" - but anybody can walk onto them. |
| Quoting bond007 (Reply 44): Have you lived outside of the USA, or worked there for any period of time? There are probably more hunters with guns in a small town in Tennessee than the whole of Europe...yes, I'm exaggerating, but not much! |
| Quoting bond007 (Reply 44): Can't remember the last time I saw a gun shop anywhere outside of the USA. I have lived in Europe and worked in Australia and didn't even know anybody who owned a gun, |
| Quoting bond007 (Reply 44): hence the view of being gun-crazed over here, true or otherwise. |
| Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 47): I wasn't talking about the OP's guy |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 51): You apparently missed: |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 51): I was just countering your little foray into the "well regulated" argument. |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 51): My concern is for the innocent traveler that, through no fault of his own, winds up at the wrong side of the law |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 51): With the passage of FOPA, back in 1986, some of NY State's and NYC's rights were taken away, weren't they? |
| Quoting rcair1 (Reply 52): BS. Gun free zones are typically demarked by a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" or "No guns allowed" There is no extra effort other than walking by them. |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 58): I have friends who hunt in Europe and Australia. |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 58): Quoting bond007 (Reply 44): hence the view of being gun-crazed over here, true or otherwise. No, gun-crazed is about the gun attitude. The idea that you should be armed at all times. Outside US you use guns for hunting or on a range. |
| Quoting bond007 (Reply 59): Quoting cmf (Reply 58): I have friends who hunt in Europe and Australia. So do I |
| Quoting bond007 (Reply 59): folks across the world, with some exceptions, aren't owning, transporting, or carrying guns even close to the numbers that we in the US are. |
| Quoting bond007 (Reply 59): So you mean yes! The view most certainly is that we are a gun-crazed nation - it's hard to dispute. |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 58): As long as the rules are in place make sure not to fly so you might end up in NY. No different from how you must be careful when you fly other parts of the world that don't recognise your medicines. |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 58): What are the rules in place now? That is what counts, isn't it? |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 61): What happened to "didn't even know anybody who owned a gun"? |
| Quoting cmf (Reply 61): What does it matter if it is to the same extent as in US? |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 62): Boy, you certainly don't wish to give an inch, do you? |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 62): It's probably folks like you that drove the need for FOPA. |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 62): How do the Canadian authorities handle me? |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 62): Actually, the law is the same as it was in 1986. I say that the law is insufficient to protect the traveler, who happens to be legally transporting a firearm. |
| Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 62): Say I'm flying ATL-ANC for a hunting trip. Presumably I will bring a rifle and, quite probably, a handgun. Say, we have an enroute emergency and divert to a suitable airport in Canada and we have to spend the night. How do the Canadian authorities handle me? |
