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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:06 pm

I heard that A6-ERF had been withdrawn.

However, I did not realise that it had already been scrapped.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:12 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 49):
HOw long have they been flying to MEX?

Well, after a quick search, AR terminated this route in 2012. I hadn't know, and I haven't gone spotting in MEX for a while.
Let me re-phrase my question, I hope they send the A345 to CUN!

Started in 2011: http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/en-AR/P...-aires-with-mexico-df-from-march--

Terminated in 2012: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...d-mexico-city-from-network-370331/
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 37):

I seem to remember that next to EZE-MAD, EZE-SYD route is the busiest one for them.

The 2 best ways to fly between Sydney and Brazil are LA/QF with 2 stops (AKL&SCL), or AR with only 1 stop via EZE.
Any other way is a very long detour.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:29 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 52):
The 2 best ways to fly between Sydney and Brazil are LA/QF with 2 stops (AKL&SCL)

QF/LA are one stop (SCL) on days QF operate SCL-SYD, no AKL stop on QF.

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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:41 pm

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 51):

Quoting AR385 (Reply 49):
HOw long have they been flying to MEX?

Well, after a quick search, AR terminated this route in 2012. I hadn't know, and I haven't gone spotting in MEX for a while.
Let me re-phrase my question, I hope they send the A345 to CUN!

Started in 2011: http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/en-AR/P...-aires-with-mexico-df-from-march--

Terminated in 2012: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...0331/

Actually, AR flew to MEX since the 60s with 707s and later with the 747s, most always as an interrnediate stop on the EZE-LAX route, although some services terminated in Mexico City.

That most "brilliant" chapter of AR;s history, when Iberia was in charge following AR's privatization, resulted in LAX and MEX being cancelled, AR (together with Varig) reigned supreme on the South America-LAX route, and had literally no competition, save for Pan Am and Braniff, both of which were in a really sad state,

Effectively this opened the door for LAN to pick up where AR and RG left things and the rest is history, When AR tried to claim back its traditional EZE-MEX service, in 2009, too many things had changed - with (then) two Mexican airlines flying to EZE, and, of course, LAN being a formidable challenge with a huge loyalty base in Argentina. Numbers simply did not add up and AR decided to stick to EZE-CUN, where with the support of wholesalers and plenty of Argentinians that make CUN their vacation destination has no problem making it work.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:56 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 37):
Because they are very cheap to acquire and AR can´t afford the interest rates it would be charged if it went for newer aircraft through financing.
AR just bought 20 new aircraft from Boeing. How can you say they can't afford new aircraft?


I am not believing this until it is reported by another source or confirmed by Aerolineas. It makes zero sense considering their widebody plans. They have repeatedly stated they want out of A340s.

[Edited 2013-10-28 21:32:59 by SA7700]
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:04 am

AR's color scheme will undoubtedly be beautiful on these new arrivals, and I hope it helps their reliability. Two-hour delays are the norm at MIA, and I can sometimes see their gorgeous A343 taking in the sun at a hardstand across from Concourse J... because the flight has cancelled yet again.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:15 am

Quoting zotan (Reply 55):
AR just bought 20 new aircraft from Boeing.


Right, 20 aircraft 737-800

When was the last time AR purchased new, long-haul wide-bodies aircraft? Does someone remember?
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting dcajet (Reply 54):

Hmmm...well it's sad they there is little chance I'll see an AR A345 in MEX...one more reason to take a vacation to CUN!

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 57):

I can't wait! AR has by far the best airline livery in recent history. Maybe IB and AA designers could have used some help from ARs designers.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 14):
Great to hear that the A340-500 won't be biting the dust for a few more years but I doubt this is going to help ARs financial situation.

Agreed. I have always loved the A340, and the -500 will look amazing in AR colour scheme. However, Im surprised they have the resources to acquire these aircraft.

Quoting zotan (Reply 56):
I am not believing this until it is reported by another source or confirmed by Aerolineas. It makes zero sense considering their widebody plans. They have repeatedly stated they want out of A340s.

I thought they have been looking at the A340-600 to lease? I know it was about a year ago I read about them looking into leases.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 58):

When was the last time AR purchased new, long-haul wide-bodies aircraft? Does someone remember?

that is a really good question, I get this feeling it was a long time ago, most likely when the Dodo was still around.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:17 am

Quoting AircanadaA330 (Reply 60):

I think the A340-600 is too much of a plane for them. It might work year round EZE-MIA/MAD and seasonally on EZE-CUN and that's about it.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:34 am

Quoting zotan (Reply 55):
AR just bought 20 new aircraft from Boeing. How can you say they can't afford new aircraft?

1) Precisely
2) How much does 5 new 777Ws cost?

There you go.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:37 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 62):

They got the A345s for a steal. We all know that. Nobody wants these "gas guzzlers", Airbus is practically giving them away!
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 63):
They got the A345s for a steal. We all know that. Nobody wants these "gas guzzlers", Airbus is practically giving them away!

Of course. I was responding to this:

Quoting zotan (Reply 55):
AR just bought 20 new aircraft from Boeing. How can you say they can't afford new aircraft?
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:26 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 64):

Hmmm...my other quote didn't get selected, sorry about that AR385
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:27 am

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 63):
They got the A345s for a steal. We all know that. Nobody wants these "gas guzzlers", Airbus is practically giving them away!

I love how every thread about the A340 goes on here...

Airbus didn't give them away. These birds weren't theirs to start with. AR is buying them from SQ.

The A345/6 is no more gas guzzler than the A343 or A342, in fact , it was designed to be more economical per seat or unit of payload. Not enough to compete with a twin, but not the 747 classic every one on here loves to make it.

A 4 engine a/c bears a few advantages on long over water sectors, especially over the south Pacific and south Atlantic. Less ETOPS restrictions and less mandatory diversion fuel carried for engine-out scenarios.
Hot and high Take off performance is better.

AR already operates A340s, they have an extensive operational experience. They have the crews, the maintenance... They did likely get a good price. I think it's a good fit. They would need to cram in quite a few more seats than SQ did, however.

What put AR in a delicate financial situation is not that they operate uneconomical aircraft, it how the airline was run. I'm hoping they've changed.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:28 am

Quoting 4holer (Reply 16):
Does this have anything to do with this mystery A345 flying an odd path over the western US?

That one has been around the US for a while.
Kuwait A340-500 Visit To ORD On Oct. 6th (by jcwr56 Oct 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 40):
With all of the currency restrictions, how is AR going to pay for these aircraft?

They will be on lease presumably, still owned by Airbus. This avoids issues with other parties trying to repossess them in order to recoup Argentinian State Debt. IMO it wouldn't surprise me if the leasing charge was negligible. It is certainly in Airbus's interest to keep five A340s worth of spare parts off the market (where they would be if scrapped). Effectively giving the aircraft to AR keeps prices of spares high while also creating a little extra demand.

Fuel costs aren't everything; if the ownership costs are low enough, I'm sure AR can be competitive.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 41):
A6-ERF is currently being scrapped, that's the first one gone.

I believe this one was the one used for certification. Might differ from regular production examples, which negatively affects its value. Pity it will die so young.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:37 am

It's the Southern Hemisphere. We do things differently down here.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:41 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 67):
This avoids issues with other parties trying to repossess them in order to recoup Argentinian State Debt.

AR on paper (of course) does not belong to the government. They are a private corporation. Nobody can repossess any of their planes in order to get any of Argentina´s sovereign debt overdue payments.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:46 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 66):
Airbus didn't give them away. These birds weren't theirs to start with. AR is buying them from SQ.

Happy to be corrected but I don't think this is right... didn't SQ trade the A345 back to Airbus as part of the deal for their A350s? Not sure how reliable the linked article is but I'm sure I remember seeing this somewhere else too.

http://www.planetalkinglive.com/2012...-for-more-a380-and-a350-airliners/
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:47 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 66):
Airbus didn't give them away. These birds weren't theirs to start with. AR is buying them from SQ.

Airbus acquired SQ's A340-500s as part of their latest A350 order. Otherwise I agree with what you wrote.
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-to-ultra-long-range-travel-130924

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Airbus has agreed to buy back SIA's five A340-500s as part of an order for new types
Quoting AR385 (Reply 69):
Nobody can repossess any of their planes in order to get any of Argentina´s sovereign debt overdue payments.

Hopefully not.

(edited for spelling)

[Edited 2013-10-28 21:02:32]
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:48 am

Quoting dcajet (Reply 54):
Actually, AR flew to MEX since the 60s with 707s and later with the 747s, most always as an interrnediate stop on the EZE-LAX route, although some services terminated in Mexico City.

Yep, I flew on their 707s, 747s and 747SP dozens of times MEZ-LIM-EZE on F (used to be called P) Later it became nonstop MEX-EZE. AR´s F back in the 80´s was a very special product. Akin to LH´s and AF´s. I hope one day they go back to what they used to be.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:13 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 66):

As mentioned in reply 70, these birds were leased to SQ. I was saying that a quad uses more fuel in comparison to a twin. For most normal flights, ie non-etops restricted flights from airports at or close to sea level, a twin makes more sense than a quad. But, for flights with etops restrictions ie EZE-SYD and SCL-SYD and from so called "hot and high" airports ie MEX, JNB, DEN, BOG, UIO, and LPB, just to name a few. This planes makes sense for an airline that flies these routes, Like IB, AR, LAN, and SA. The A345/6 is more economical compared to a A342/3, that's why AR is buying them. The A345s will be part of the AR fleet for the next 20 years! I do t remember if this was already asked but when are the ETAs for these birds?
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:15 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):

   They had 5 available until their PM took so many trips that 1 became the govt' aircraft.
   TG had a buyer lined up but the ministers stepped in and challenged the pricing and demanded more. The govt had no idea what the market demand and prices are -just the book value. I believe the deal is scrapped.
   Thai Airways is govt owned and run, so screw the bottom line.

I hate to see these planes sit and weather away.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:21 am

In the end, AR took the A345's because they could fly from EZE to AKL/SYD with essentially no ETOPS restrictions. That means flying the most fuel-efficient route across the southern Pacific Ocean without worrying about ETOPS diversion times.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:25 am

People,

The A340-500/600 has the range and payload AR needs for EZE-AKL/SYD via the South Pacific Ocean/Polar route. This route has ETOPS problems because if you try to fly a twin you need to fly north-wards via Easter Island/Tahiti in order to make ETOPS work. The fuel burn is ok because only AR (Aerolinas Argentinas) LA (LAN) and QF (Qantas) are on the South Pacific route between South America and Australia/NZ with two of them together in marketing/code-shares (oneWorld) (SCL-SYD/SCL-AKL-SYD/EZE-SYD). This is not like the South Atlantic route between Brazil and South Africa which SAA flies a A332 because those continents are close enough for ETOPS (JNB-GRU).

ETOPS chart of the South Pacific:

"http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SCL-SYD%3B+EZE-SYD%3B+EZE-AKL%3B+SCL-AKL%3B+PPT%3B+IPC&MS=wls&DU=km&E=180&EV=410&EU=kts"

(IPC-Easter Island and PPT-Tahiti are shown are ETOPS diversion points).

Copy and Paste the above link with the "", the forum software has problems.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:40 am

ETOPS problems in the southern hemisphere?

Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ_cWaQxaaA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6bvPK70J4 (trip report)
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:52 am

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 51):
Let me re-phrase my question, I hope they send the A345 to CUN!

EZE-CUN can be done very comfortably with AR's A332s. There is no good reason to send the A345 to CUN when they can use the birds to SYD or Europe.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:58 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 77):
EZE-CUN can be done very comfortably with AR's A332s. There is no good reason to send the A345 to CUN when they can use the birds to SYD or Europe.

Performance wise no. But capacity wise, who knows? CUN is a big destination for Argentines.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:11 am

Official SQ press release: http://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/...UK/press_release_news/ne121024.jsp

Confirms the A345 were acquired by Airbus as part of the A350/A380 purchase.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:55 am

pictures, i want pictures   hope it gets painted soon, the AR livery must look stunning on the A345.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:30 am

Really pleased these aircraft have found a good home.Always thought that countries such as Chile,Argentina,South Africa even NZ were the countries (with the vast Southern expanses of water around them) that could use these aircraft properly.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:15 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
If AR can fly more direct routes as ETOPS is not an issue, fuel burn may come out even compared to a twin. If they put 300 seats into the A345 then that might help its economics too?

ETOPS has restrictions for both Tri's and Quads over 180 minutes which is probably applicable on these southern routings
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:52 am

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 57):
Right, 20 aircraft 737-800

When was the last time AR purchased new, long-haul wide-bodies aircraft? Does someone remember?

Probably when they purchased 747-200 around 1980 and a 747SP from Boeing.

Quoting AircanadaA330 (Reply 59):
Agreed. I have always loved the A340, and the -500 will look amazing in AR colour scheme. However, Im surprised they have the resources to acquire these aircraft.

AR is probably getting an attractive deal, having 5 planes that are all the same is better then 5 A340's from 5 different operators. These 5 A340-500 are about 10 years old so they have been depreciated. What I want to see is their configuration, is it going to be 350 passengers ?
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:17 pm

Quoting zotan (Reply 55):
I am not believing this until it is reported by another source or confirmed by Aerolineas. It makes zero sense considering their widebody plans. They have repeatedly stated they want out of A340s.

Or they just took a page out of Delta's playbook.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:27 pm

Pity that their A340-200's will probably be chopped.

Good for AR, as they have already got A340 experience.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:45 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 40):
With all of the currency restrictions, how is AR going to pay for these aircraft?

The currency restrictions are applied only to citizens to govern tax evasion and fleeing of dollars. The companies only need to fill out forms - and transfers are approved. Your question seems to come from ill-informed (or badly intended) media articles.

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 72):
I was saying that a quad uses more fuel in comparison to a twin

Not really. That depends on sectors, airport departure and route. It's not always a par-on

Quoting zkojq (Reply 66):
They will be on lease presumably, still owned by Airbus. This avoids issues with other parties trying to repossess them in order to recoup Argentinian State Debt.

Interestingly enough, Judge Griessa has ruled that AR Planes are not to be considered seizable assets by vulture funds - therefore there's no risk. AR operates completely separately from the Argentine State - it still a privately owned company.

Quoting AircanadaA330 (Reply 59):
that is a really good question, I get this feeling it was a long time ago, most likely when the Dodo was still around.

1998, with AA onboard management, they bought 4 A340-200.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 83):
Probably when they purchased 747-200 around 1980 and a 747SP from Boeing.

Nope.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 83):
AR is probably getting an attractive deal, having 5 planes that are all the same is better then 5 A340's from 5 different operators.

They are actually all from SQ.

Quoting willzzz88 (Reply 75):
The A340-500/600 has the range and payload AR needs for EZE-AKL/SYD via the South Pacific Ocean/Polar route. This route has ETOPS problems because if you try to fly a twin you need to fly north-wards via Easter Island/Tahiti in order to make ETOPS work. The fuel burn is ok because only AR (Aerolinas Argentinas) LA (LAN) and QF (Qantas) are on the South Pacific route between South America and Australia/NZ with two of them together in marketing/code-shares (oneWorld) (SCL-SYD/SCL-AKL-SYD/EZE-SYD). This is not like the South Atlantic route between Brazil and South Africa which SAA flies a A332 because those continents are close enough for ETOPS (JNB-GRU).

  

SA222/223 has a 30 min detour to the north to be able to comply with current ETOPS regulations.

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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:21 pm

It's been established that Airbus own the aircraft, but I expect AR will lease them.

AR are clearly intent on defending and growing their Brazil - Australia business and possibly returning to AKL. It will be interesting to see if there are any changes to their EZE-SYD morning departure and SYD-EZE evening arrival. They now have overnight E190 connections to four Brazilian cities departing about 2200 and returning by 0530.

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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:26 pm

Quoting zotan (Reply 55):
I am not believing this until it is reported by another source or confirmed by Aerolineas. It makes zero sense considering their widebody plans. They have repeatedly stated they want out of A340s.

And this doesn't change that. They will get rid of these A345's when they finally decide on the future of their widebody fleet.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 57):
When was the last time AR purchased new, long-haul wide-bodies aircraft? Does someone remember?

It's unlikely that they are buying these too. It's far more likely that these A345's are being leased.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:48 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 86):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 40):
With all of the currency restrictions, how is AR going to pay for these aircraft?


The currency restrictions are applied only to citizens to govern tax evasion and fleeing of dollars. The companies only need to fill out forms - and transfers are approved. Your question seems to come from ill-informed (or badly intended) media articles.

Apologies for not understanding the restrictions. However my sources are mainly real life Argentinians who have been denied approval to take money overseas as rational economic beings would want to do in the face of the current currency crisis. Please provide me with a reference so that I can understand the restrictions more correctly.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:53 pm

Would EZE-JNB ever work?
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:28 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 86):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 83):Probably when they purchased 747-200 around 1980 and a 747SP from Boeing.

Nope.

IF the Boeing 747-200 were not the last new long haul planes from then what was ? Instead of saying " Nope" tell please.


Quoting jfk777 (Reply 83):AR is probably getting an attractive deal, having 5 planes that are all the same is better then 5 A340's from 5 different operators.
They are actually all from SQ.

I KNOW there are from SINGAPORE AIRLINES, thanks for being obvious.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:29 pm

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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:10 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
Quoting TC957 (Reply 17):
Wonder why they didn't take the TG ones, as they were retired first ? Did TG want to many $$$ for them ?

Aerolineas was looking for 5 aircraft and TG has only 4 of them (of which 1 is used for government operations I believe). It's easier and cheaper to buy 5 aircraft from the same operator, in this case SQ.

I also understood TG is asking too much money for their A340s.

I suppose that's come down to price. Buying directly from TG would be much more as these 5 ex-SQ birds were traded in to Airbus as part of a big A350/A380 deal. Airbus likely "resell" them at below the buying price, taking a paper loss which were made good by the profits of the aforementioned new aircraft deal. All three parties happy.
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:19 pm

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 90):
Would EZE-JNB ever work?

It is a current SA route. SA227 on an A343.


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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 92):
EZE-NRT How viable?

Out of range but HNL is right under the GC route  
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:37 pm

Quoting hanuise (Reply 12):
'Aerolineas Argentinas to acquire all five former Singapore A340-500s to replace A340-200s_'.

This should really help AR hit its target of burning $2MM per day.  
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SKY1
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:26 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 82):
ETOPS has restrictions for both Tri's and Quads over 180 minutes which is probably applicable on these southern routings

Not true!

ETOPS regulations applies only for twins

Maybe you're making mistake yourself with LROPS, but that's another story
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:36 pm

Quoting AM777LR (Reply 90):
Would EZE-JNB ever work?

They operated it in the 80s and it was very successful. A lot of my relatives visited South Africa back then with that flight. I´m not sure if it was to CPT or JNB though.
 
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RE: A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas

Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:26 pm

I'm interested to see what AR do with the layout of the birds. AR is another airline (like VA, NZ and AC have done) that would do well to have a three class long-haul service with a decent Biz, Y+ and Y (IMHO).

Y-class passengers on long-haul, of a certain age, income and height like myself, are more than happy to part with their own money for the ability to sleep and relax. And I think there should be enough premium pax between Australia/New Zealand and the Argentine to warrant a decent business class product.

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