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DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:50 pm

Sounds like fun for all the passengers. Terminal is no where near capable of holding this many people. Rumor has it these people are going to community centers and other places while they wait on the new plane. Sounds like they will be there until 2pm?

http://www.ktuu.com/news/news/delta-...658/22715226/-/c5wl6r/-/index.html
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:06 pm

"Rescue" flight on the way from SEA.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9932
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:13 pm

The aircraft involved in the diversion is ship #194 (N194DN). Obviously one must ignore the arrival info at SFO!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N194DN

[Edited 2013-10-30 11:14:53]

The aircraft which has been sent to CDB from SEA is ship #1611 (N1611B).

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1611B


[Edited 2013-10-30 11:20:34]

And last, but not least, the replacement aircraft which operates today's SFO-NRT flight is ship #197 (N197DN), currently flying from ATL-SFO as DL9934.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9934


[Edited 2013-10-30 11:34:01]
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:41 pm

Does anybody know what EICAS message they crew got?

It's been awhile since I've worked propulsion issues, but I don't recall that the 767 engines can automatically shutdown as stated in the article. Either it failed, or the crew manually shut it down, probably because the QRH directed them to.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:07 pm

That would be a wild place to detour to! As nerve wracking as something that might be, I'm one of those weird people who thinks it might actually be fun to walk around a place like that for a few hours by surprise...
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:12 pm

Payback from the Northern Cal gods for cancelling the SFO-NRT flights....
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:13 pm

Been to CDB once, making a stop on Alaska Airlines on the way to Shemya when I was in the Air Force. At the time, Alaska had the MAC contract to haul pax and some cargo out to the bases in the Aleutians. I was pretty dark on that January night, and we didn't get off the plane, so I can't really relate my impressions of the place. I do remember, however, on takeoff, that we got halfway down the runway and aborted the takeoff. Never did find out why, but we went back and tried it, again (successfully, this time).
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:14 pm

Quoting scutfarcus (Reply 4):
That would be a wild place to detour to! As nerve wracking as something that might be, I'm one of those weird people who thinks it might actually be fun to walk around a place like that for a few hours by surprise...

I think the first thought of most of us would be "Great, now I can log a new airport and two new routes for free!!!!"

You're right, it would be really interesting to explore Cold Bay - as long as I had warm, waterproof clothing on.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:15 pm

DL has had two planes have MX issues in 24 hours. One in STL for the ball team and now this one. I know DL has a large fleet any idea how often this happens??. I'm sure UA & AA have the same thing happen daily too.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:51 pm

 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:17 pm

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 8):
DL has had two planes have MX issues in 24 hours. One in STL for the ball team and now this one. I know DL has a large fleet any idea how often this happens??. I'm sure UA & AA have the same thing happen daily too.

Lol. If Delta had only two mechanical problems yesterday, that would be an absolute miracle.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:19 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Either it failed, or the crew manually shut it down, probably because the QRH directed them to.

I guess it failed. I would think they ought to have received an indication. Otherwise, why didn´t they attempt a relight?

Quoting scutfarcus (Reply 4):
I'm one of those weird people who thinks it might actually be fun to walk around a place like that for a few hours by surprise...

I would also think it´s a lot of fun. Wasn´t there a big 777 that landed in Midway and the passengers were taken on tours to watch the unique birds there?
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:28 pm



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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:50 pm

Here's a question, Cold Bay has no customs available (according to airnav) how did they allow them to leave to go to the community center. Can homeland security give special permission, did they have the police escort them to the community center??
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:51 pm

Not the first time DL has diverted to Cold Bay: http://peninsulaclarion.com/stories/...2501/ala_032501alaska0110001.shtml

Followed up by this gesture from DL: In appreciation for the help offered by the people of Cold Bay, Alaska when one of its aircraft was forced to divert to their town, Delta Air Lines has donated USD7,000 to enable the town to receive a matching grant from the state of Alaska for a new two-way radio system for local emergency medical technicians.

The airline has also sent a 'thankyou' gift of 50 cases of fresh fruit and vegetables and will be sending a Delta T-shirt to each of the children at Cold Bay School according to a company statement.

A Delta Air Lines MD-11 aircraft made a precautionary landing at an old military runway near Cold Bay on 23 March. The flight was carrying 220 passengers and crew who were generously given accommodation and food by the town's 69 residents.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 13):
Here's a question, Cold Bay has no customs available (according to airnav) how did they allow them to leave to go to the community center. Can homeland security give special permission, did they have the police escort them to the community center??

According to one of the articles posted above, they were allowed to go to the center under escort. More than likely it was a mixture between customs and local LEOs.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:08 am

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 8):
DL has had two planes have MX issues in 24 hours. One in STL for the ball team and now this one. I know DL has a large fleet any idea how often this happens??. I'm sure UA & AA have the same thing happen daily too.

This happens every single day on many a/c. You only heard about these two because they were "interesting" and note-worthy. Ask any ramp or gate agent in Atlanta how many times they've had to send pax to another gate for a new a/c or in the case of the ramp crew, download a plane full of bags they just loaded.

Quoting xjramper (Reply 10):
Lol. If Delta had only two mechanical problems yesterday, that would be an absolute miracle.

Exactly.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
but I don't recall that the 767 engines can automatically shutdown as stated in the article.

The only "engine" on the 767 that can automatically shut itself down is the APU. Perhaps if it had been running at the time, that may have been the case, in which case they wouldn't find it safe to continue the flight (I know there are ETOPS rules about redundant electrical sources, etc.) But my first guess is that the engine either failed or the crew shut it down themselves.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:37 am

Quoting as777 (Thread starter):


CBD also means central business district (downtown).

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 13):
Here's a question, Cold Bay has no customs available (according to airnav) how did they allow them to leave to go to the community center. Can homeland security give special permission, did they have the police escort them to the community center??

They are on a remote island after an emergency landing. It's not like they can sneak off in to someone's getaway car and drive to California.




Glad everyone was safe a kudos to the pilots for playing it safe and taking precaution.

Silly question; do the passengers get extra miles? Do they still have to pay for booze on the continuing flight? Are their baggage fees waived? This is Delta after all.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:59 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Silly question; do the passengers get extra miles? Do they still have to pay for booze on the continuing flight? Are their baggage fees waived? This is Delta after all.

Superfly,

I was a passenger on board a Delta flight early this year that had a similar--albeit more serious--situation occur in flight. Flight 201 from JNB-ATL (777LR) was diverted to Ascension Island in the Atlantic after an incident forced the shutdown of one engine (the engine had leaked oil since departure--5 hours--and had all but run out). We dumped fuel for an hour while diverting to ASI. Fellow passengers blogged about the experience and posted pictures here: http://www.flyertalk.com/the-gate/bl...nd-%E2%80%94-with-photographs.html

The point is I can say that Delta took every measure (given the circumstances) to accomodate the passengers on the island. Upon arrival in the U.S. (2:30-3am) Delta had an entire team of customs and immigration officials on hand to process us, dozens of customer representatives waiting, and opened the F concourse SkyClub to all passengers so that we could shower, eat, and change. A package containing gift certificates, flight vouchers, and other compensatory items were given to all of the pax. Upon boarding a connecting flight the crew had been notified of my party's ordeal and ensured we recieved excellent treatement. I was seated in BE so cannot speak specifically to your questions about free liquor, baggage, etc.

These circumstances are certainly not unheard of but it is extremely difficult for airlines to accomodate passengers in highly remote locations void of passenger service, immigration stations, or hotel facilities. I can say that, at least in the case of Delta (and I am sure most others), they do everything within their power to make the experience as comfortable as possible.

Best,

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[Edited 2013-10-30 20:22:13]
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:59 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 11):
I would also think it´s a lot of fun. Wasn´t there a big 777 that landed in Midway and the passengers were taken on tours to watch the unique birds there?
Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
They are on a remote island after an emergency landing. It's not like they can sneak off in to someone's getaway car and drive to California.

I worked at AWK for a couple of years, we never got any diversions but were in ETOPS range for some Transpac passenger flights, and always ready for a diversion.

The customs issue came up a couple of times in discussions, and the general attitude was to treat them like Midway did (show people around, let them have a good time), for the reasons stated in the second quote. Nobody's going to go anywhere, and there isn't really any way to pick up contraband to cause trouble on the continuing flight if the problem is fixed, or on a rescue flight later on.

If customs doesn't like it, they can station officers at remote fields that have ETOPS flights within range. Otherwise, you can't expect people to sit on the plane for 12 hours or more until a rescue flight comes along, and most people running those stations are going to be sympathetic and let people get out and wander around for a while.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:00 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):

Silly question; do the passengers get extra miles? Do they still have to pay for booze on the continuing flight? Are their baggage fees waived? This is Delta after all.

1. No
2. Up to the crew. Alcohol may or may not have been compted for the remainder of the leg..and beer & wine is free in the back anyway on intercontinental flights.
3. Bag fee wouldn't be refunded for something like this.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:12 am

Quoting NWAA330 (Reply 19):
I was a passenger on board a Delta flight early this year that had a similar--albeit more serious--situation occur in flight. Flight 201 from JNB-ATL (777LR) was diverted to Ascension Island in the Atlantic after an incident forced the shutdown of one engine. We dumped fuel for an hour while diverting to ASI. Fellow passengers blogged about the experience and posted pictures here: http://www.flyertalk.com/the-gate/bl....html

That is incredible. Glad you all made it safe. Those are some good pictures too.

Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 20):
The customs issue came up a couple of times in discussions, and the general attitude was to treat them like Midway did (show people around, let them have a good time), for the reasons stated in the second quote. Nobody's going to go anywhere, and there isn't really any way to pick up contraband to cause trouble on the continuing flight if the problem is fixed, or on a rescue flight later on.

If customs doesn't like it, they can station officers at remote fields that have ETOPS flights within range. Otherwise, you can't expect people to sit on the plane for 12 hours or more until a rescue flight comes along, and most people running those stations are going to be sympathetic and let people get out and wander around for a while.

That is what I was thinking.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 21):
2. Up to the crew. Alcohol may or may not have been compted for the remainder of the leg..and beer & wine is free in the back anyway on intercontinental flights.

That part I always knew. I was referring to other drinks all other airlines offer for free.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:50 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):

They are on a remote island after an emergency landing. It's not like they can sneak off in to someone's getaway car and drive to California.

They are not on a remote island.........Cold Bay is almost at the end of the Alaskan Peninsula.



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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:17 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 23):
They are not on a remote island.........Cold Bay is almost at the end of the Alaskan Peninsula.


True but not connected by any roads. I'm reading that the only other way out is by hovercraft.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:23 pm

Maybe this is another dumb question since the customs issue seems be addressed by them being so isolated but how does TSA handle reboarding? I'm not sure if anything big enough to justify having TSA goes into there and even if they do it must be pretty slow screening everyone at a single checkpoint.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:59 pm

Quoting NWAA330 (Reply 19):

This story in combination with the managerial and operational successes are a big reason why DL is simply running away from the rest of the big boys. They are just straight whipping them, financially and customer reviews. It seems I hear a positive customer service experience weekly. Good for DL, their ducks are in a perfectly straight row, something hard to do in the aviation industry.

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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:07 pm

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 26):
This story in combination with the managerial and operational successes are a big reason why DL is simply running away from the rest of the big boys. They are just straight whipping them, financially and customer reviews. It seems I hear a positive customer service experience weekly. Good for DL, their ducks are in a perfectly straight row, something hard to do in the aviation industry.

To be clear, that review of the IROP into ASI was a mixed bag. For example, this posting was included:

“I just want to say on her behalf that Delta was very unprofessional in the dealings with their passengers even though i understand that it is an emergency and they were under stressful conditions but there was no communication or updates on what was going on.”

[Edited 2013-10-31 07:12:28]
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:51 pm

A town of 69 probably has no ATC. Who cleared them to land? Did they do a visual inspection? The pilots got something to brag about.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:10 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 28):

Wait 69....people? The whole town? How, wait, I understand that they probably have chartered supply flights I to the village but how did a town of 69 get a runway and airport infrastructure that could at minimum handle a 767-300ER?

What use does something that large have for such a small town?

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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:12 pm

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 29):
Wait 69....people? The whole town? How, wait, I understand that they probably have chartered supply flights I to the village but how did a town of 69 get a runway and airport infrastructure that could at minimum handle a 767-300ER?

Former airforce base dating back to the WWII era. Also the landing strip was maintained through the shuttle years as a never used alternate.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 29):

What use does something that large have for such a small town?

There's a myth that it was a Shuttle divert site, but I think its runway length had more to do with its use in WWII.

It doesn't really have the infrastructure to handle a large airplane, except for a 10,000'+ runway.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 30):

Former airforce base dating back to the WWII era.

Even more recent than that, as I mentioned earlier. In the 60s it was still an Air Force installation.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:06 pm

So, how do they refuel this thing? Do they have enough fuel around for two 767-300s to takeoff and continue onward?
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:11 pm

Here's more info on CDB:

Coordinates: N55°12.32' / W162°43.47'
Located 00 miles N of Cold Bay, Alaska.
Estimated Elevation is 102 feet MSL.
Magnetic Variation from 2015 is 12° East

Operations Data
Airport Use: Open to the public
Activation Date: April 1949
Status: Operational
Control Tower: No
Seg-Circle: Yes
Beacon: Clear-Green
(Lighted Land Airport)
Wind Indicator: Yes, Not Lighted
Lighting Schedule: SEE RMK
A.R.T.C.C.: ANCHORAGE
F.S.S.: COLD BAY (on field)
NOTAMs Facility: CDB (NOTAM-D available)
Sectional Chart: COLD BAY
ARFF Cert: I B S 04/2005
CLSD TO ACR OPNS WITH MORE THAN 30 PSGR SEATS EXCP PPR AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN WRITING TO AMGR BOX 97 COLD BAY AK 99571.
Customs: Customs Landing Rights
AirspaceAnalysis: NO OBJECTION
Attendance:
MAY-SEP/ALL/0800-1900
OCT-APR/ALL/0630-1900

Airport Communications
ASOS: 135.75 Tel. 907-532-2639
CTAF: 123.600
AWOS-3 at KFP (31.9 SW): 121.45 907-548-2221

Remarks:
APCH/DEP SERVICE PROVIDED BY ANCHORAGE ARTCC ON FREQS 118.5/278.3 (COLD BAY RCAG).
Nearby Navigation Aids
ID Name Freq Radial / Range
VOT CDB COLD BAY 112.60 141° 4.1
ID Name Freq Bearing / Range
VOT ELF ELFEE 341 325° 5.9
Runway 15/33
Dimensions: 10180 x 150 feet
Surface: Asphalt / Grooved in Good Condition
Weight Limits: S-99, D-200, ST-345, DT-875
Edge Lighting: High Intensity
Runway 15 Runway 33
Coordinates: N55°13.34' / W162°44.27' N55°11.79' / W162°43.20'
Elevation: 73.1 93.7
Gradient: 0.2 0.2
Traffic Pattern: Left Right
Runway Heading: 146° Magnetic, 158° True 326° Magnetic, 338° True
Markings: Precision Instrument in fair condition. Precision Instrument in fair condition.
Glide Slope Indicator V4L (3.00° Glide Path Angle)
RVR Equipment Touchdown
Approach Lights: MALSR 1,400 Foot Medium-intensity Approach Lighting System with runway alighment indicator lights. MALSR 1,400 Foot Medium-intensity Approach Lighting System with runway alighment indicator lights.
MALSR OTS INDEFLY.

Runway 08/26
Dimensions: 6235 x 150 feet
Surface: Asphalt / Grooved in Good Condition
Weight Limits: S-99, D-131, ST-345
Edge Lighting: High Intensity
Runway 08 Runway 26
Coordinates: N55°11.95' / W162°43.93' N55°11.87' / W162°42.15'
Elevation: 90.9 101.5
Gradient: 0.3 UP 0.2
Traffic Pattern: Left Right
Runway Heading: 083° Magnetic, 095° True 263° Magnetic, 275° True
Displaced Threshold: 1000 Feet 1000 Feet
Declared Distances: TORA:6235 TODA:6235 ASDA:5900 LDA:4900 TORA:6235 TODA:6235 ASDA:5900 LDA:4900
Markings: Non-Precision Instrument in fair condition. Non-Precision Instrument in fair condition.
Glide Slope Indicator V4L (3.00° Glide Path Angle)
LINE OF SIGHT FOR VASI RWY 08 OFFSET 5 DEG TO THE NORTH.
V4L (3.00° Glide Path Angle)
Services Available
Fuel: 100LL (blue), Jet-A
FUEL SVC CHG AFTER HRS.
Transient Storage: Hangars
Airframe Repair: MINOR
MAINT DUTY HRS: 0700 - 1800 SUN THRU SAT (1 MAY - 30 SEP); 0530 - 1800 (1 OCT - 30 APR).
Engine Repair: MINOR
Bottled Oxygen: NONE
Bulk Oxygen: NOT AVAILABLE
Other Services: CARGO HANDLING SERVICES
Ownership Information
Ownership: Publicly owned
Owner: STATE OF AK DOTPF-CENTRAL RGN
POUCH 196900
ANCHORAGE, AK 99519-6900
907-269-0749
Manager: JEFF DOERNING
BOX 97
COLD BAY, AK 99571
907-532-5000
907-532-5000 STATE M&O PHONE

Operational Statistics
Single Engine Aircraft Based on Field: none Statistics collected for 12 month period ending 2011-01-01
Multi-Engine Aircraft Based on Field: none Annual Commercial Operations: 2670
Jet Aircraft Based on Field: none Annual Commuter Operations: none
Helicopters Based on Field: none Annual Air Taxi Operations: 5840
Military Aircraft Based on Field: none Annual Military Operations: 500
Gliders Based on Field: none Annual GA Local Operations: 150
Ultralights Based on Field: none Annual GA Itinerant Operations: 50

Other Remarks
SNOW & ICE REMOVAL AND ARPT HAZ RPRTG ONLY PERFORMED DURG DUTY HRS UNLESS BY PRIOR ARNGMT AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN WRITING WITH AMGR.
PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT MAY BE WORKING ON THE RY AT ANY TIME.
ARPT SAND LARGER GRADATION THAN FAA RECOMMENDED/SEE AC150/5200-30.
WX CAMERA AVBL ON INTERNET AT HTTP://AKWEATHERCAMS.FAA.GOV
ROTG BCN OPS UNMONITORED WHEN CDB FSS UNMANNED.
LARGE BIRDS NEAR APCH ENDS OF ALL RYS.
BRAKELOCK TURNS NOT ALLOWED ON RYS.
CFR INDEX B. INDEX MAY BE REDUCED FOR ACFT LESS THAN 90'.
NO CUSTOMS AVBL; WRITTEN PERMISSION REQUIRED FOR REFUELING STOPS 24-48 HRS AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN ADVANCE IF ARRIVING FROM A FOREIGN COUNTY; FAX 907-271-2684 OR 907-271-2686.
TWR 4.8 AND Mount Cook Airlines (New Zealand)">NM NW OF ARPT UNLGTD.
ATCVT HIRL RYS 08/26 & 15/33; MALSR RY 15 AND VASI RYS 08, 26 & 33 - CTAF.
24 HRS
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:51 pm

Quoting xjramper (Reply 10):
Lol. If Delta had only two mechanical problems yesterday, that would be an absolute miracle.

I hear the Mtx report everyday. About once every two weeks or so we get zero mtc delays, cancels, or diverts. Usually there are three to five a day. An aircraft swap that does not incur a delay doesn't count against us.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:08 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 35):
About once every two weeks or so we get zero mtc delays, cancels, or diverts.

For the whole of Delta?
Thats amazing. Occasionaly one area here gets no maint delays, but never the whole airline.
Zero cancels, yes, and zero diverts quite often, but never zero maint delays.
Even on good days, there will be 5 or so 5 minute delays at main base. And we only have 240 aircraft, not hundreds like Delta.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:15 pm

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 25):
I'm not sure if anything big enough to justify having TSA goes into there and even if they do it must be pretty slow screening everyone at a single checkpoint.

If you read the story linked here about the plane diverted to Ascensión island, they did it there by talking in the number of the passport and name of the passenger to produce a crude manifest. As for screening, I don´t see the need.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 29):
I to the village but how did a town of 69 get a runway and airport infrastructure that could at minimum handle a 767-300ER?

WWII happened, and then the Cold War.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:19 pm

Is it just me, or is it kinda funny the same plane in Cold Bay is the same reg as the new 763 DL model Gemini jets is releasing in November?   
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:22 pm

On the local Bay Area news last night, some of the passengers said they "bellied up" to the only bar in town during their wait. So obviously they weren't too concerned about folks skipping town.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:28 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 28):
A town of 69

Aghhhhh!!!! Is this what they based that movie on, "30 Days of Night" Imagine landing into that.     
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:14 pm

It would be interesting to know how they did a bag transfer, etc. Maybe they flew in a small "ramp" crew.

I imagine once they repaired the plane they flew it to Anchorage for fuel. They may not have needed to as by the time the flight got to the divert point they may not have needed to dump fuel to be below the required landing weight.   

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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:45 pm

The article states "Cold Bay's airport is Alaska's only Federal Aviation Administration-approved alternate landing area for diverted Pacific Ocean flights, Reese said."

What does that even mean? Surely the airline and crew would prefer to divert to ANC or FAI if at all possible.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:05 am

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 42):
The article states "Cold Bay's airport is Alaska's only Federal Aviation Administration-approved alternate landing area for diverted Pacific Ocean flights, Reese said."

What does that even mean? Surely the airline and crew would prefer to divert to ANC or FAI if at all possible.

Shemya (Eareckson AFS) is also a diversion point. There was an AA 777 that diverted there in 2010 and a China Eastern diverted there in '93 after encountering severe turbulence.


I was stationed on Shemya in '68 in the Air Force.......Reeve flew in there as well as AS (MAC contract). We also had C-124s and eventually C-141s replaced the AS flights. SAC had a detachment of two RC-135s stationed on the island and we got regular C-135 flights in there from Eilson AFB (supply for SAC). Shemya also has a 10K foot runway.
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 25):
Maybe this is another dumb question since the customs issue seems be addressed by them being so isolated but how does TSA handle reboarding? I'm not sure if anything big enough to justify having TSA goes into there and even if they do it must be pretty slow screening everyone at a single checkpoint.

In my mind, the same applies for really isolated places, especially places like Midway, AWK, and SYA that may not have proper screening facilities in the first place. The pax were screened on boarding the now diverted flight, and it landed on an isolated airfield--the opportunity to smuggle anything out of there is next to nil. Yes, they may board with a container of liquid that exceeds 3 oz if they managed to visit the local watering hole and brought a couple of beers out with them, but that's about the extent of the threat.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:15 am

Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 44):
Yes, they may board with a container of liquid that exceeds 3 oz

Oh kno0wz! 9/11 they never remembered!!! . . . Seriously though I agree with your opinion but TSA does tend to view things in the extreme. Personally I have no problem with letting everyone back on with zero screening after a diversion, even if they somehow *gasp* got more than 3 ounces of something. There's no way a passenger could have arranged for that to happen before hand, I doubt that's TSA policy though. It may only be a town of 69 but I can see TSA freaking out over people in Alaska having guns and a passenger could have bought one!!! TSA seems pretty tight lipped about diversion policies. I've been lucky and only diverted once after 9/11 and the security theater that followed. All the gate area concessions were closed. I didn't know if I'd be let back thru security if I went into the main hall. After all my boarding pass isn't going to have the diversion on it. I tried several times to ask TSA afterward what was the policy on this and got a huge run around. I never did get an answer but if it happens again I'll ask before leaving the secured area. Kind of sad it was even an issue to begin with since the boarding pass requirement isn't going to stop a terrorist.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:10 am

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 42):
The article states "Cold Bay's airport is Alaska's only Federal Aviation Administration-approved alternate landing area for diverted Pacific Ocean flights, Reese said."

What does that even mean? Surely the airline and crew would prefer to divert to ANC or FAI if at all possible.

Having flown north pacific flights, this statement in the article is dead wrong. Fairbanks is way out of the way, but if it's a minor problem ANC would be optimal. However, most issues requiring a diversion other than a medical issue are pretty serious and a diversion to the "nearest suitable airport" is best. I have seen Petropavlosk/Kamchatsky, Shemya, Cold Bay, and King Salmon all listed as diversion airports (ETOPS alternats). Although not listed, Adak would be appropriate as well, with good support - the downside there is weather and runway length/alignment.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:56 am

I guess they had Customs and TSA both out there after all. I kind of figured they were both to big of control freaks to let this one slip by.

"TSA and customs representatives flew to Cold Bay to process the passengers, Reese said."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/nationa...9-ea5f-567d-8285-c82864523db0.html
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:34 am

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 47):

I guess they had Customs and TSA both out there after all. I kind of figured they were both to big of control freaks to let this one slip by.

"TSA and customs representatives flew to Cold Bay to process the passengers, Reese said."

That is an asinine waste of resources, in terms both personnel and money used to screen people that had already been screened. Do they really believe anybody is going to execute a plot that involves a mechanical issue at a specific point to divert to a specific remote station, where you have another operative that has gone unnoticed by the locals to hand something off to somebody that came off of the plane and is also an unfamiliar face in a tight knit community?

If there were a novel with such a plot, it would be a terrible seller because it is that far detached from reality.
 
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RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:10 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 33):

Odds are that the 767-300 sent as the replacement had the fuel on board to make the return jog.

As for the one that went tech in cold bay, it has enough fuel on board for the whole flight (as originally planned) so theoretically it shouldn't require that much additional fuel.

I don't know how only using one engine for X time saves or abuses the fuel on board but surely the two birds combined didn't require a whole lot of extra fuel.

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