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Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:28 pm

Why is Norwegian air hiring cabin crews in the USA ? Is it cheaper labor?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:29 pm

Yes, it is cheaper labor.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:45 pm

Just like Thai labor is cheaper. DY is paying their FAs the equivalent of $500/mo which is 2x the avg. Thai wage.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:47 pm

How does the Scandinavian labor unions feels about that?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 1):

Yes, it is cheaper labor.


What's the pay for US based crews vs ARN/OSL/CPH based crews?
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:19 pm

Quoting skystar767 (Reply 3):
How does the Scandinavian labor unions feels about that?

The biggest one dont care, they care more about changing of the collective agreements for the scandinavian pilots. Thats why it might be a strike in DY starting tomorrow midnight. There is one other who wants everyone to boicot Norwegian but the same labour-union want a flat rate for everyone in the socieity(those without any form of education should be payed the same as those with education) so you can disregard that one.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 4):
What's the pay for US based crews vs ARN/OSL/CPH based crews?

I'm guessing it is less otherwise why would they go through the exercise of hiring US crews. There is also taxes/benefits to consider too which I believe are less in the US than in Scandinavian countries.

Didnt Aer Lingus do a similar thing when they flew the IAD flights on behalf of UA?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:46 pm

Quoting skystar767 (Reply 3):
How does the Scandinavian labor unions feels about that?

Finnair is doing the same in Spain and also in USA I heard, the Finnish cabin crew union is not happy at all. Right now they are hiring 200 Spanish cabin crew, AY MAD-HEL flight I was on last Thursday was full of Spanish trainees, it was clear why they had sent a widebody (A333) to MAD.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...anish-cabin-crew-unions-up-in-arms
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:58 am

So will these crews be based in FLL LAX and JFK?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:01 am

This doesn't surprise me. I was in Seattle at the start of October and saw an Emirates cabin crew hiring event listed on the schedule for my hotel's meeting rooms.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:43 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 9):

This doesn't surprise me. I was in Seattle at the start of October and saw an Emirates cabin crew hiring event listed on the schedule for my hotel's meeting rooms.

That is totally different. EK does not have U.S.-based crews. That wouldn't be smart, because labor is cheaper in the U.A.E. That is simply EK recruiting in the States. EK cabin crews recruited in the States move to Dubai. EK has FA housing complexes.

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 8):
So will these crews be based in FLL LAX and JFK?

Miami and New York City will be the two bases.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:31 am

Will they work directly for Norwegian Long Haul or be contracted out like the Thai cabin crew?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:30 am

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 12):
I think you'll find their intention is to open bases in the US and also fly internally, that's one of their main goals.

Then they might want to rethink their business model. Unfortunately for DY, the U.S. has these pesky cabotage laws, which prevent transport of people and/or goods domestically by a foreign-registered vessel. Doesn't matter whether they're based in the EU or Australia or North Korea.

Quoting jonnyclark (Reply 12):
The rumour mill going around the EU pilots right now is they are planning on extending to the US and becoming one of the main low cost carriers both sides of the atlantic

Another reason not to believe "crew chatter" and "galley gossip." You'd think people smart enough to be pilots would know how to use Google...
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:42 am

I think you'll find their intention is to open bases in the US and also fly internally, that's one of their main goals. As they are predominantly EU based, I think (and I stipulate that) they don't have to worry so much about the US laws on foreign carriers on US soil. The rumour mill going around the EU pilots right now is they are planning on extending to the US and becoming one of the main low cost carriers both sides of the atlantic, with strategic long haul operations to connect the two. (not sure about the asia routes)
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 13):

Then they might want to rethink their business model. Unfortunately for DY, the U.S. has these pesky cabotage laws, which prevent transport of people and/or goods domestically by a foreign-registered vessel. Doesn't matter whether they're based in the EU or Australia or North Korea.

Which could be circumvented by doing the same as Virgin, starting up a Norwegian America. Not saying they will (I find that unlikely), but if they wanted they could, just not with a majority share.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:55 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 14):
Which could be circumvented by doing the same as Virgin, starting up a Norwegian America. Not saying they will (I find that unlikely), but if they wanted they could, just not with a majority share.

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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:31 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 7):
Finnair is doing the same in Spain and also in USA I heard, the Finnish cabin crew union is not happy at all.

AY got some bad news. They can't hire the staff from US. Because they didn't get the "green card's" for them. Reason is that the local staff is professional enough.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:37 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 16):
AY got some bad news. They can't hire the staff from US. Because they didn't get the "green card's" for them. Reason is that the local staff is professional enough.

According to the Finnish MTV3 news it's not a final decision yet but it looks bad for AY, you need a good reason for hiring people outside EU. And bad news for those JFK based American crew who were supposed be on their first AY flight on 1st November.

In Finnish:

http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/kotimaa.s...toemantia---lupia-ei-myonnettykaan

[Edited 2013-11-03 05:43:01]
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 17):
According to the Finnish MTV3 news it's not a final decision yet but it looks bad for AY, you need a good reason for hiring people outside EU. And bad news for those JFK based American crew who were supposed be on their first AY flight on 1st November.

I think that AY won't get the permissions for the crew based at JFK.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:25 pm

If you look on the indeed forum there is a thread on the Norwegian Air US Flight Attendants. Apparently they already hired people and are sending them to training this month. They will work for OSM Aviation not Norwegian and pay is salary at $1500 month. No flight benefits, no jumpseat benefits since you dont work for Norwegian, not even zed's or ID90s. New hires were told they will work trips starting and ending in JFK and it will be W type routes through out the Norwegian system.
I dont know who this would really appeal to, unless you get star struck by the "glamour" of flying transatlantic, but making $1500/month wont cut living in NYC and with no jumpseat benefits unless you live home with the parents and want to see the world it wont work.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:21 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 17):
According to the Finnish MTV3 news it's not a final decision yet but it looks bad for AY, you need a good reason for hiring people outside EU. And bad news for those JFK based American crew who were supposed be on their first AY flight on 1st November.

Going to be interesting to see what happens with the work permits over the next few weeks.

Does anyone know how Norwegian is going to staff the flights? Are they putting all Americans on board or are they mixing it with Norwegian crews as well? I know with Finnair, they are going to staff the JFK flights with 2-3 JFK cabin crew and the remaining 6-8 are going to be Finnish (pending that all goes well with the permits).
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:50 pm

Quoting a318 (Reply 20):
Does anyone know how Norwegian is going to staff the flights? Are they putting all Americans on board or are they mixing it with Norwegian crews as well?

At the present time, according to the Norwegian media (in English) the Thai staff are working on the New York route.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/10/30/norwegian-air-faces-boycott/
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:55 pm

Quoting a318 (Reply 20):
They will work for OSM Aviation not Norwegian and pay is salary at $1500 month. No flight benefits, no jumpseat benefits since you dont work for Norwegian

Ah the slippery slope to a new low in terms and conditions. One way to put a stop to this is that the Crew/Cabin Crew must be employed directly by the AOC holder operating the aircraft. Now would the EU/FAA go this way ?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:08 pm

It kind of reminds me of Jetstar in Australia. I remember flying Sydney - Honolulu and the flight was crewed by 1 Aussie Purser and all the other crew were BKK base. Talk about cheap labour! I can understand majority Thai crew on a MEL-BKK flight... but SYD-HNL??????
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:57 pm

Quoting a318 (Reply 20):
Does anyone know how Norwegian is going to staff the flights? Are they putting all Americans on board or are they mixing it with Norwegian crews as well? I know with Finnair, they are going to staff the JFK flights with 2-3 JFK cabin crew and the remaining 6-8 are going to be Finnish (pending that all goes well with the permits).

Most likely there will be one Norwegian headpurser. I beleave this is how it is with their Thai crew.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting a318 (Reply 20):
I know with Finnair, they are going to staff the JFK flights with 2-3 JFK cabin crew and the remaining 6-8 are going to be Finnish (pending that all goes well with the permits).

Yes, they already have 2-3 Asian crew on all their flights to Asia, AY say they need native crew to serve their Asian passengers who don't always speak English, thats how they got the permits. For sure they also had the lower labour costs in mind.

[Edited 2013-11-03 16:06:33]
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 13):
Then they might want to rethink their business model. Unfortunately for DY, the U.S. has these pesky cabotage laws, which prevent transport of people and/or goods domestically by a foreign-registered vessel. Doesn't matter whether they're based in the EU or Australia or North Korea.

That doesn't keep DY from setting up a US domestic subsidiary to function as a stand alone airline. It seems incredibly ambitious in this current market, but it is legally doable.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:31 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 26):
That doesn't keep DY from setting up a US domestic subsidiary to function as a stand alone airline. It seems incredibly ambitious in this current market, but it is legally doable.

Not exactly. A domestic subsidiary can't be majority owned or control by non-domestic interests. They have to be minority partner, IIRC can't control more than 25% of the voting shares. The Norwegian brand name has no value here. Most people will think "Oh, IKEA?" (Yes I know its swedish, but you get my point)

The unions and other airlines dragged VX thru every thing they could trying to prove VX wasn't US controlled. Eventually they got the certificate.
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:23 am

Quoting A340crew (Reply 19):
If you look on the indeed forum there is a thread on the Norwegian Air US Flight Attendants. Apparently they already hired people and are sending them to training this month. They will work for OSM Aviation not Norwegian and pay is salary at $1500 month. No flight benefits, no jumpseat benefits since you dont work for Norwegian, not even zed's or ID90s. New hires were told they will work trips starting and ending in JFK and it will be W type routes through out the Norwegian system.

Christ. They'd be better off working as ticket agents. Do they ever get raises?

I absolutely hate Norwegian for doing this.

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 22):
Ah the slippery slope to a new low in terms and conditions. One way to put a stop to this is that the Crew/Cabin Crew must be employed directly by the AOC holder operating the aircraft. Now would the EU/FAA go this way ?

I pray they do.

Quoting toltommy (Reply 27):
The unions and other airlines dragged VX thru every thing they could trying to prove VX wasn't US controlled. Eventually they got the certificate.

At least their crews actually work for them. Virgin America benefited the industry by bringing a focus back onto product without achieving savings on the backs of their people.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Hiring Cabin Crew In The USA?

Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:13 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 27):
Not exactly. A domestic subsidiary can't be majority owned or control by non-domestic interests. They have to be minority partner, IIRC can't control more than 25% of the voting shares. The Norwegian brand name has no value here.

I realized that I was oversimplifying that when I typed, but yes, you're correct.
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